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Perhaps you didnt read up on the massacres and attrocities carried out by NA warlord? one example is the Hazara Massacre initiated by dostum... apart from other fuked up things they did... trust me there is a reason the afghan pashtuns hate the NA...


As for Bahrain come on ... we aint idiots... you support shia population of bahrain,the arabs support their monarchs,you support assad,they support these asshole rebels... and guess whose on the recieving end? the average guy irrespective of his sect!
If Iran had supported Shiites in Bahrain and Saudia militarity & financially, Bahrain & Saudia regimes never could oppress them easily.
If Iran had executed their version that they executed in Syria and Iraq, Saudi & Bahrain regimes were dead two years before.

Since Iran is a peaceful country did not execute their savage version in Bahrain & Saudi, that's why thousands of Bahrainis are in jail or martyred.
 
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They are powerful only against pathetic Iraqi and Syrian armies.
I remember that curdish pishmarga with their natianalistic zeal were almost fucked by ISIS. you konw what could happen to irbil if it weren't for US and Iran help? no force in the world can alone fight these salafists. more than 40 or 50 countries are engaged in air campaigns but what happend? their recruitment doubled and estimation from 10000 rose to 200000 for ISIS militants.
Initial? Here some most recent examples: Pathetic flee from Tabka, Wadi Deif, Nawa. Even after 2 years of besieging and barrel bombing they cant take totally encircled Dariya and Jobar.
it is more about strategy than poor performence. why ISIS could not take D_O_Z air base after 10 days of nonstop attacks? they even for the fist time used a bombed tank to hit the walls of the airbase?
faraway besieged bases that have little importance are just waste of soldiers capable of fighting in more critical fronts.
The more Syrian army fights the more they turn into junk militia.
eastern half of aleppo was lost to rebbels in less than 2 days. in 2013 many analysts considered aleppo as the rebel capital and assumed no chance for SAA to retake the city. but now prospect of aleppo is a hell for rebels.
Capital of the rebellion is Dar'a. Homs was one of the most pro Assad towns in Syria. Assads wife is Homsi + about 1/3 of Homs population are alawis.
oh. homs province had at most 500,000 alewaites mostly in rural areas. but homs city is dominantely sunni.
thats why 80 percent of the city is now rubble? darraa was ignition and homs was the bonfire.

Assad sent tons of troops into Aleppo. Many Hezbollah and Afgani Shias fighting there. What he is trying to achieve there i dont know. Judging his performance in Jobar it will take 10 years to take Aleppo after complete destruction.
the slower your gains the more stable they are.
damasqis is over for rebels. no need to danger the lives of soldiers for hasty gains.

In Deir ez Zor Assad can only survive.
oh yes. I see how assad is coming down from hassaka to D_O_Z and how ISIS is shedding like autumn leaves in huwaja sqker to forestall SAA to complete their noose around them in the city itself.
He is fighting his own poor peasants.

a peasant who is trained and armed by qatari and saudi money and supported by Turkish and Israeli inteligence is no more a peasant. he is a terrorist suitable to be eliminated.
 
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Dostum was a traitor who aligned himself with anyone he could and fitted him during the war.

Maybe NA is a general term, I mostly meant Ahmad Shah Masoud and his troops which were funded and armed by Iran in various cases. Yes there were also scums inside NA, but Masoud's forces were among the cleanest forces in Afghanistan back then, compared to other ones and today he is a national hero of Afghanistan. Now are you going to compare him to Taliban scums?

Massoud .... was he as clean as you consider him to be? remember the "Afshar Massacre by Ahmad shah Masoud and Sayaf in 1993" ?


According to the Time (June 11, 1984), one of Masoud's biggest operations against Russians was organized, financed and directed by CIA.
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Milton Bearden, the CIA's station chief in Pakistan during the war: "Masoud spent most of his time preparing for the coming civil war -not fighting the Communists."




Los Angeles Times, April 26, 1999

In March 1995 Shura-e-Nezar forces reportedly carried out raids on hundreds of civilian homes in Kabul's south-western district of Karte She, killing or beating whole families, looting property and raping Hazara women. One family, interviewed by a foreign journalist in Kabul, said President Rabbani's soldiers had told them they wanted to "drink the blood of the Hazaras". Medical workers in the area confirmed at the time at least six incidents of rape and two attempted rapes, but believed the actual number was much higher.

"International responsibility for human rights disaster", (AI, 1995)


"In March 1995, Massoud [Defence Minister at that time] forces were responsible for rape and looting after they seized control of Kabul's predominantly Hazara neighborhood of Karte Seh.
On the night of Feb. 11, 1993, the Massoud and Sayyaf forces conducted a raid in west Kabul, killing Hazara civilians and committing widespread rape. Estimates of fatalities range from 70 to more than 100.



Human Rights Watch, October 10, 2001

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A Criminal fighter of Shura-e-Nezar (Supervisory Council) led by Ahmad Shah Masoud. Kabul 1993
According to Los Angeles Times (Apr.26,1999): "In one terrible incident in 1993, documented by the State Department, Masoud's troops rampaged through a rival neighborhood, raping, looting and killing as many as a thousand people."



According to The Guardian, November 16, 2001:
On February 11, 1993, Massoud and Sayyaf's forces entered the Hazara suburb of Afshar, killing - by local accounts - "up to 1,000 civilians", beheading old men, women, children and even their dogs, stuffing their bodies down the wells.


For details of Afshar massacre read Human Rights Watch document “Blood-Stained Hands: Past Atrocities in Kabul and Afghanistan’s Legacy of Impunity” (July 7, 2005) which also confirms Massoud’s involvement in the crime:

"... another commanders’ meeting was held by Massoud in a safe house in Karte Parwan, near the Hotel Intercontinental, on the night before the offensive… Massoud also convened a meeting in the Hotel Intercontinental on the second day of the operation, February 12, attended by military commanders and political figures, including Rabbani, Sayyaf and Fahim.

Ahmad Shah Massoud is implicated in many of the abuses documented in this report, both those committed by Jamiat forces, and those committed by other militia forces under his command...."



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Alot more could be said about his "clean" character.


Define support. Yes we do support those in Bahrain, but have we armed them? Can you provide any proof for that?

Thats because you cant do what you are doing in Syria... why? coz of several reasons... are those protestors violent...? did they kill innocent? yes.
 
Massoud .... was he as clean as you consider him to be? remember the "Afshar Massacre by Ahmad shah Masoud and Sayaf in 1993" ?


According to the Time (June 11, 1984), one of Masoud's biggest operations against Russians was organized, financed and directed by CIA.
* * *

Milton Bearden, the CIA's station chief in Pakistan during the war: "Masoud spent most of his time preparing for the coming civil war -not fighting the Communists."




Los Angeles Times, April 26, 1999

In March 1995 Shura-e-Nezar forces reportedly carried out raids on hundreds of civilian homes in Kabul's south-western district of Karte She, killing or beating whole families, looting property and raping Hazara women. One family, interviewed by a foreign journalist in Kabul, said President Rabbani's soldiers had told them they wanted to "drink the blood of the Hazaras". Medical workers in the area confirmed at the time at least six incidents of rape and two attempted rapes, but believed the actual number was much higher.

"International responsibility for human rights disaster", (AI, 1995)


"In March 1995, Massoud [Defence Minister at that time] forces were responsible for rape and looting after they seized control of Kabul's predominantly Hazara neighborhood of Karte Seh.
On the night of Feb. 11, 1993, the Massoud and Sayyaf forces conducted a raid in west Kabul, killing Hazara civilians and committing widespread rape. Estimates of fatalities range from 70 to more than 100.



Human Rights Watch, October 10, 2001

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A Criminal fighter of Shura-e-Nezar (Supervisory Council) led by Ahmad Shah Masoud. Kabul 1993
According to Los Angeles Times (Apr.26,1999): "In one terrible incident in 1993, documented by the State Department, Masoud's troops rampaged through a rival neighborhood, raping, looting and killing as many as a thousand people."



According to The Guardian, November 16, 2001:
On February 11, 1993, Massoud and Sayyaf's forces entered the Hazara suburb of Afshar, killing - by local accounts - "up to 1,000 civilians", beheading old men, women, children and even their dogs, stuffing their bodies down the wells.


For details of Afshar massacre read Human Rights Watch document “Blood-Stained Hands: Past Atrocities in Kabul and Afghanistan’s Legacy of Impunity” (July 7, 2005) which also confirms Massoud’s involvement in the crime:

"... another commanders’ meeting was held by Massoud in a safe house in Karte Parwan, near the Hotel Intercontinental, on the night before the offensive… Massoud also convened a meeting in the Hotel Intercontinental on the second day of the operation, February 12, attended by military commanders and political figures, including Rabbani, Sayyaf and Fahim.

Ahmad Shah Massoud is implicated in many of the abuses documented in this report, both those committed by Jamiat forces, and those committed by other militia forces under his command...."


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Alot more could be said about his "clean" character.




Thats because you cant do what you are doing in Syria... why? coz of several reasons... are those protestors violent...? did they kill innocent? yes.
I already said in my post, he was the cleanest, not fully clean, it's a different meaning. Was he cleaner than Taliban? Of course he was, no one can deny that. But he is national hero of Afghanistan, not Mullah Omar.
And BTW, are you trying to justify your government's support for Taliban with these words? How about accepting it was a very serious mistake? Even my country may have made a mistake by supporting Masoud, I can't be sure, but I know he was better than his enemies.

About Bahrain, can you tell me which 'innocent' person did they kill? And if they did, was it an unprovoked one?
 
I already said in my post, he was the cleanest, not fully clean, it's a different meaning. Was he cleaner than Taliban? Of course he was, no one can deny that. But he is national hero of Afghanistan, not Mullah Omar.

He was cleaner? they are all cut from the same cloth... here is a list of warlords responsible for the massacres in Afghanistan:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/23/w...killings-in-90s-civil-war.html?pagewanted=all

And trust me... this soviet puppet (yeah he was their puppet... held soviets pull out .. and got rewarded for his services)... wasnt/isnt considered a "national" hero in southern afghanistan (who make majority of Afghanistans population)..


And BTW, are you tryingvto justify your government's support for Taliban with these words? How about accepting it was a very serious mistake? Even my country may have made a mistake by supporting Masoud, I can't be sure, but I know he was better than his enemies.

Im not trying to justify anything.. it was our mistake.. some allege that it was a necessity otherwise the war in afghanistan would have spilled over to our territory (well it did anyways)...

About Bahrain, can you tell me which 'innocent' person did they kill? And if they did, was it an unprovoked one?


Sure... tell me if these civilians and cops were "evil" :

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDIQFjAD&url=http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2-236609-Pakistani-killed-in-Bahrain-attack&ei=iDCUVN3kB6PKmwWI1IHoAQ&usg=AFQjCNEGab9NPu5_9CyMSMoAu843f3fDlw&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CFMQFjAH&url=http://www.dawn.com/news/615027/pakistan-workers-seek-escape-after-bahrain-attacks&ei=iDCUVN3kB6PKmwWI1IHoAQ&usg=AFQjCNHoqHKsOyi7QB-SVemWVYs7di1HBg&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=15&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEAQFjAEOAo&url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-15151629&ei=MjGUVLn9G8HPmwXa94L4DQ&usg=AFQjCNHXTFe6du31BR7lL8JKQLO92b10DQ&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=17&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE0QFjAGOAo&url=http://www.thenewstribe.com/tag/one-pakistani-killed-in-bahrain-protest/&ei=MjGUVLn9G8HPmwXa94L4DQ&usg=AFQjCNFroX21-oJOeIgdNndgbNQJ43nytg&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...pkrIvcrkc52QprxYvqi-sHw&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...B-KOh5WMGjvsNNzshJzxtvA&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...MQ8baxz0ge7W-BO-rDboFkQ&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

There are also videos and pics of the violence they commited?
 
He was cleaner? they are all cut from the same cloth... here is a list of warlords responsible for the massacres in Afghanistan:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/23/w...killings-in-90s-civil-war.html?pagewanted=all

And trust me... this soviet puppet (yeah he was their puppet... held soviets pull out .. and got rewarded for his services)... wasnt/isnt considered a "national" hero in southern afghanistan (who make majority of Afghanistans population)..




Im not trying to justify anything.. it was our mistake.. some allege that it was a necessity otherwise the war in afghanistan would have spilled over to our territory (well it did anyways)...




Sure... tell me if these civilians and cops were "evil" :

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDIQFjAD&url=http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2-236609-Pakistani-killed-in-Bahrain-attack&ei=iDCUVN3kB6PKmwWI1IHoAQ&usg=AFQjCNEGab9NPu5_9CyMSMoAu843f3fDlw&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CFMQFjAH&url=http://www.dawn.com/news/615027/pakistan-workers-seek-escape-after-bahrain-attacks&ei=iDCUVN3kB6PKmwWI1IHoAQ&usg=AFQjCNHoqHKsOyi7QB-SVemWVYs7di1HBg&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=15&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEAQFjAEOAo&url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-15151629&ei=MjGUVLn9G8HPmwXa94L4DQ&usg=AFQjCNHXTFe6du31BR7lL8JKQLO92b10DQ&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=17&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE0QFjAGOAo&url=http://www.thenewstribe.com/tag/one-pakistani-killed-in-bahrain-protest/&ei=MjGUVLn9G8HPmwXa94L4DQ&usg=AFQjCNFroX21-oJOeIgdNndgbNQJ43nytg&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=35&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDQQFjAEOB4&url=http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/12/08/bahrain-authorities-say-police-officer-killed-in-terror-attack/&ei=yDGUVPiAJNWJuwSk94HQCQ&usg=AFQjCNFdMFrpkrIvcrkc52QprxYvqi-sHw&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=39&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CFAQFjAIOB4&url=http://centralasiaonline.com/en_GB/articles/caii/newsbriefs/2011/03/15/newsbrief-01&ei=yDGUVPiAJNWJuwSk94HQCQ&usg=AFQjCNG0h1BB-KOh5WMGjvsNNzshJzxtvA&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=47&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CD8QFjAGOCg&url=http://www.thekooza.com/bahrain-security-official-killed-blast.html&ei=HzKUVLboFNC0uQS7kYLACQ&usg=AFQjCNFL8_5MQ8baxz0ge7W-BO-rDboFkQ&bvm=bv.82001339,d.dGY

There are also videos and pics of the violence they commited?

You are kidding right? Those attacks happened mostly after the regime killed peaceful protesters, injured, tortured and arrested thousands of people, refusing all their demands, but yet, no foreign country armed them, unlike Syria. So are you ignoring those nearly 100 civilians killed? And how many policemen have been killed by now? Only 5, and much after they suppressed the fully peaceful protesters by hiring Saudi mercenaries.

Of course you can't expect it to remain fully peaceful when the police and regime are shooting at you.

About Afghanistan, I think the discussion wouldn't bear any fruits, it was a nasty civil war and no side was fully innocent indeed. But they can't all be put in the same basket.
 
You are kidding right? Those attacks happened mostly after the regime killed peaceful protesters, injured, tortured and arrested thousands of people, refusing all their demands, but yet,

Are you justifying those killings? the killings of innocent people?


no foreign country armed them, unlike Syria. So are you ignoring those nearly 100 civilians killed? And how many policemen have been killed by now? Only 5, and much after they suppressed the fully peaceful protesters by hiring Saudi mercenaries.


Thats because you couldnt do that... the uprising supported by Iran failed... due to several factors... saudis being one.... (in another country---- (???) ...)

Of course you can't expect it to remain fully peaceful when the police and regime are shooting at you.

I doubt if you have seen the videos? throwing molotov cocktails at police cars,running over cops is hardly a "peaceful" protest... and im not even talking about the innocents (who had nothing to do with the govt or police) they killed (also posted those links)
About Afghanistan, I think the discussion wouldn't bear any fruits, it was a nasty civil war and no side was fully innocent indeed. But they can't all be put in the same basket.

They taliban and NA are the same.. accept it... the war crimes where thousands of innocent were killed,women raped ... i doubt you can use any "Scale" for that.. and that is the reason why the Pashtuns,Hazaras still hate NA..
 
Are you justifying those killings? the killings of innocent people?
No, but you can't use them to undermine the revolution which remained largely peaceful for a long long time.
Thats because you couldnt do that... the uprising supported by Iran failed... due to several factors... saudis being one.... (in another country---- (???) ...)
Still no arming in Bahrain happenned, unlike Syria, whether we wanted it or not.
I doubt if you have seen the videos? throwing molotov cocktails at police cars,running over cops is hardly a "peaceful" protest... and im not even talking about the innocents (who had nothing to do with the govt or police) they killed (also posted those links)

As I said, those things you said happened much much longer after fully peaceful protests and was right to do so, because the regime only used force, hence it got answers with force. No such incidents happened for 1st year, why are you ignoring that? You expect them to remain peaceful forever and let the regime kill and torture them?

And why don't you feel this sudden 'sympathy' for those killed by regime and tortured, raped, in first stages of protests which were fully peaceful?
They taliban and NA are the same.. accept it... the war crimes where thousands of innocent were killed,women raped ... i doubt you can use any "Scale" for that.. and that is the reason why the Pashtuns,Hazaras still hate NA..
NA is a general term, but Taliban is not, it's one group. I mostly refer to NA as the group that my country supported the most, which happens to be much much better than Taliban.
 
No, but you can't use them to undermine the revolution.

First you claimed they were peaceful and it was the regime.. and now this logic?

Still no arming in Bahrain happenned, unlike Syria, whether we wanted it or not.

Does that give Iran the right to interefere in Bahrain? or Saudis in Syria and so on?
As I said, those things you said happened much much longer after fully peaceful protests and was right to do so, because the regime only used force, hence it got answers with force. No such incidents happened for 1st year, why are you ignoring that? You expect them to remain peaceful forever and let the regime kill and torture them?

Whaaaaat? those "peaceful" guys didnt only target and kill police officers but also innocent civilians????

NA is a general term, but Taliban is not, it's one group. I mostly refer to NA as the group that my country supported the most, which happens to be much much better than Taliban.

Thats what you think.
 
First you claimed they were peaceful and it was the regime.. and now this logic?

Yes they were peaceful, for more than a year that regime killed them, tortured them and oppressed them.
Does that give Iran the right to interefere in Bahrain? or Saudis in Syria and so on?
You didn't tell me, how are we interfering in Bahrain? Verbal condemnation of the regime is called interfering?
Whaaaaat? those "peaceful" guys didnt only target and kill police officers but also innocent civilians????

First, police officers that target civilians are not considered totally 'innocent', also actions of few protesters shouldn't let you draw them with same color.
Few Pakistanis have joined TTP and killed people, are all Pakistanis violent or terrorists?
 
@Serpentine
You need to have some minimum moral values. how do you want to apologize Hazarah genocide committed by Ahmadshah massoud?
Remembering Hazara Genocide Committed by War Criminals Ahmad Shah Massoud, Abdul Rab Rasul Sayyaf and their Allies - Kabul Press | Afghanistan Press | کابل پرس | افغانستان پرس
Afshar Operation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Is committing genocide against shia afghans being clean, or cleaner?

Unfortunately, you just want to apologize every crime that mullahs and their supporters are doing.
I cannot post videos, because of graphic video ban, but you can simply find such videos about this genocide.
 
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