Switzerland Votes on Muslim Minaret Ban

[Spring Onion]

Minarets BANNED in Switzerland -Minaret ban 'wins Swiss support'


"Forced marriages and other things like cemeteries separating the pure and impure - we don't have that in Switzerland, and we do not want to introduce it," Ulrich Schlueer, co-president of the Initiative Committee to ban minarets, said.

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So next they are going to ban Muslim cemeteries.or force Muslims to put Crucifix on their graves

 

[SekrutYakhni]

We do not have to protest...

The more we care the more they will irritate...

Just ignore it.....

There must be a reason for it...

People try to understand one thing..

If we say Americans/Europeans do not do anything without a reason than why do we "lovely" people forget that the "Creator" also do not do anything without a reason...

Mughals/any other empire were so powerful at sometime than they made mistakes and thought that they were the most intelligent people on the earth but now we see their mistakes and can judge the "Creator's reason" to make them so powerful...
Same goes to the U.S....their "ultimate" "supreme than their congress" people also do things which make sense to them but after 100 years we will be able to judge their mistakes...."Creator" the God also does everything with a reason…..
It will slightly derail the thread as theology comes into place but it also makes some sense….

 

[Kompromat]

So next they are going to ban Muslim cemeteries.or force Muslims to put Crucifix on their graves

Right now my Brain is stormed.....

What an International piece of Idiotic Dictatorship is this ? BTW From Today Switzerland is not the same country and Swiss are not the Same people in world view.....

 

[SekrutYakhni]

More Clarifications


Forced Marriages:

Marriage in Islam is a social contract that requires the consent of both parties. Neither the bride nor groom can be forced into a marriage. Contrary to popular misconceptions, the woman has the right to choose her husband; Islamic law does not permit her to be forced into any marriage. The wife also has the right to retain her family name and to keep and manage her own money from her work, inheritance, investments, gifts or other sources. It is her right to keep her money separate from her husband’s, and he has no right to it.

According to Islamic custom, parents and guardians have specific rights in this matter; to arrange the marriage ceremony and conduct it as a respectful family event; give their advice and recommendation for a life partner for their children. These rights are encapsulated within the philosophy of ‘willayah’. However, Islam does not allow parents, guardians or other relatives to enforce their will or choice on a boy or a girl since it is they who are the real parties to that contract. The right to exercise free will and consent in choosing a spouse is a God given right.


Honour Killings:

Honour killings are tribal practices and has nothing to do with Islam. For them, honour is associated with women and women have to be guarded and protected. A woman dishonours her family and tribe if her body is violated - even by force. The shame can be cleansed only by killing the body in question.

Since this terrible inhumane practice does exists only among the Muslims of the world—very often civilized people do blame Islam as the precursor of this dreadful act.

You are 10000 % right...

We have made our culture as an Islamic culture...
The killing is not Islamic instead it is our culture...
The today's Sharia Law is not Islamic it is a mullah law...
but we always have to say "yes sir" what Mullahs say without thinking what are they saying...

 

[Kompromat]

Here goes another Master piece

 

[qsaark]

The Swiss have no problem with the mosques, they have objection on the Minarets alone. Besides, the Minarets were never the integral part of the Mosques erected in the early days of Islam. You may want to read the following article about the Minarets.

Minaret

Arabic: mināra

Tower near to, or built into, the structures of a mosque, which is used by the muezzin to call out the adhan in order to make people to come to prayers in Islam. The earliest mosques were built without minarets, and the action of adhan could be performed in many other locations. The hadiths tell us that the Muslim community of Madina called out to prayers from the roof of the house of Muhammad, a house that doubled as a house for prayers.

First around 80 years after Muhammad's death did the first minarets we know of appear. This happened in places as far between as Kairouan in Tunisia and Damascus in Syria. It is good reason to believe that the Great Mosque of Damascus, built in 705, was inspired by the churches of the city, yet the Muslim minaret served its own functions, continuing the old traditions from the house of Muhammad.

Minaret are now very much symbols of Islam, even if they technically are bid'a. Minarets are often adorned, high and striving to be as slim and elegant as possible. Modern minarets are often giving even more room for artistic achievements than in earlier times. The ground floor of minarets are always fitted into a square, with the higher parts of the minaret being everything from square to round — many are even octagonal. On top there is a tiny room from where the muezzin either is or where the loudspeakers are. This room is covered with a pointed roof.

Early wahhabism outlawed minarets, a regulation imposed for only very short time. The Mosque of the Prophet in Madina has a record 10 minarets, lying right in the state of the wahhabi movement.

Source: http://i-cias.com/e.o/minaret.htm

Early Mosques Without Minarets surveyed on Abu Dhabi Islands

I found this article very interesting. I didn't realize that mosques have not always had minarets. According to Dr. Geoffrey King, an expert in Islamic art and archaeology at the School of Oriental and African Studies at the University of London and now academic director of the Abu Dhabi Islands Archaeological Survey, early mosques, in many cases, were simple structures of natural materials pointed towards Mecca.

Muraykhi mosque, dating back to the 1930s, is one of the 45 studied by the archaeological team. It has been restored as a heritage museum. Image courtesy of The National Centre for Documentation and Research.

“The minaret is a northern development out of Syria,” he says. “The first minarets were introduced when the Muslims got to Damascus and built the Great Mosque, using the old temple there and utilising the old Roman corner towers, making them into what became minarets. All the places that were influenced by the very old Arabian tradition have none; that means east Africa and Oman and those on Delma are the same.”

In all, Dr. King's team surveyed 45 mosques found on the islands.

"The simplest remains, built from small stones or slabs of beach rock, without roof or wall and ranging from one metre to 30 metres long, are impossible to date. Little more than defined spaces facing Mecca, they contained no dateable material – kept clean and certainly not used as sites for cooking or other household chores, they yielded none of the detritus of daily life.

What is certain, however, Dr King said, is that these sites echo the oldest Islamic tradition, dating back to the reported provisions for prayer made during the Prophet’s military expedition to Tabuk, in present-day north-west Saudi Arabia, in 630: “When they prayed, they just laid out some stones to face Mecca.”

Source: http://passionateabouthistory.blogspot.com/2009/09/early-mosques-without-minarets-on-abu.html

 

[zombie]

This was just a matter of time anyway.

Why so much opposition to this? Its not pakistan right? Dont see pages of venom against saudi arabia(and all islamic countries) btw for their bigotry against other religions.

posting a few pictures of churches makes no difference.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

The Swiss have no problem with the mosques, they have objection on the Minarets alone. Besides, the Minarets were never the integral part of the Mosques erected in the early days of Islam. You may want to read the following article about the Minarets.

Minaret

Arabic: mināra

Tower near to, or built into, the structures of a mosque, which is used by the muezzin to call out the adhan in order to make people to come to prayers in Islam. The earliest mosques were built without minarets, and the action of adhan could be performed in many other locations. The hadiths tell us that the Muslim community of Madina called out to prayers from the roof of the house of Muhammad, a house that doubled as a house for prayers.

First around 80 years after Muhammad's death did the first minarets we know of appear. This happened in places as far between as Kairouan in Tunisia and Damascus in Syria. It is good reason to believe that the Great Mosque of Damascus, built in 705, was inspired by the churches of the city, yet the Muslim minaret served its own functions, continuing the old traditions from the house of Muhammad.

Minaret are now very much symbols of Islam, even if they technically are bid'a. Minarets are often adorned, high and striving to be as slim and elegant as possible. Modern minarets are often giving even more room for artistic achievements than in earlier times. The ground floor of minarets are always fitted into a square, with the higher parts of the minaret being everything from square to round — many are even octagonal. On top there is a tiny room from where the muezzin either is or where the loudspeakers are. This room is covered with a pointed roof.

Early wahhabism outlawed minarets, a regulation imposed for only very short time. The Mosque of the Prophet in Madina has a record 10 minarets, lying right in the state of the wahhabi movement.

Source: Minaret - LookLex Encyclopaedia

Early Mosques Without Minarets surveyed on Abu Dhabi Islands

I found this article very interesting. I didn't realize that mosques have not always had minarets. According to Dr. Geoffrey King, an expert in Islamic art and archaeology at the School of Oriental and African Studies at the University of London and now academic director of the Abu Dhabi Islands Archaeological Survey, early mosques, in many cases, were simple structures of natural materials pointed towards Mecca.

[Image - Muraykhi mosque, dating back to the 1930s, is one of the 45 studied by the archaeological team. It has been restored as a heritage museum. Image courtesy of The National Centre for Documentation and Research]

“The minaret is a northern development out of Syria,” he says. “The first minarets were introduced when the Muslims got to Damascus and built the Great Mosque, using the old temple there and utilising the old Roman corner towers, making them into what became minarets. All the places that were influenced by the very old Arabian tradition have none; that means east Africa and Oman and those on Delma are the same.”

In all, Dr. King's team surveyed 45 mosques found on the islands.

"The simplest remains, built from small stones or slabs of beach rock, without roof or wall and ranging from one metre to 30 metres long, are impossible to date. Little more than defined spaces facing Mecca, they contained no dateable material – kept clean and certainly not used as sites for cooking or other household chores, they yielded none of the detritus of daily life.

What is certain, however, Dr King said, is that these sites echo the oldest Islamic tradition, dating back to the reported provisions for prayer made during the Prophet’s military expedition to Tabuk, in present-day north-west Saudi Arabia, in 630: “When they prayed, they just laid out some stones to face Mecca.”

Source: Passionate about History: Early Mosques Without Minarets surveyed on Abu Dhabi Islands

Sir I agree the concept of Islam is totally wrong and whatnot in today's society...
We are blind followers and Mullahs are blind heroes….

 

[Bushy]

All i know is Muslims are not going to do anything about it , all they will do is Keep quiet , i will be surprised if 53 countries Bycott swiss products and Trade and Teach them and their economy a lesson which they would never forget!

Wake up sleeeping Creed

I bet billions of Muslim dollars are kept there in Swiss banks. If they show the slightest of signs of taking that money out, I am sure Switzerland will immediately rethink about this ban.

Know your power and act accordingly.

 

[sonicboom]

.....it is a mullah law...
but we always have to say "yes sir" what Mullahs say without thinking what are they saying...

Thank you. Just to add what you have said:

First of all, there is no concept of Mullah in Islam and Islam does not require any of these spiritual leaders or religious hierarchy. Every Muslim must read and understand Quran and act upon its teaching and will be accountable for his/her actions on the Day of Judgment. Each Muslim has his or her own personal relationship with God.

Secondly, the Mullah's were created by secular people who happened to born in a Muslim family but did not want to read or understand Quran and needed someone for guidance that they could run to for religious matters.

 

[Awesome]

Alright end of topic. It was interesting while it lasted... However its Switzerland's internal matter and of no consequence to Pakistan.

Topic closed.