Swedish mosque set ablaze

[Desert Fox]

I agree with most of your comments except historically Muslims being the biggest enslavers, Muslims did participate in the slave trade but not on the scale of Europeans. Also let us not forget that Africans were also often sold into slavery by other Africans.

It is said that as many black Africans were enslaved by Arab Muslims as were by Europeans:

"It's thought that as many people were enslaved in the Eastern (Islamic) slave trade as in the Atlantic slave trade.

It's ironic that when the Atlantic slave trade was abolished the Eastern (Islamic) trade expanded, suggesting that for some Africans the abolition of the Atlantic trade didn't lead to freedom, but merely changed their slave destination."
BBC - Religions - Islam: Slavery in Islam


"What these records show is that the modern slave trade flourished in the early middle ages, as early as 869, especially between Muslim traders and western African kingdoms. For moralists, the most important aspect of that trade should be that Muslims were selling goods to the African kingdoms and the African kingdoms were paying with their own people.

Then the Muslim trade of African slaves declined rapidly when Arab domination was reduced by the emerging European powers. (Note: Arabs continued to capture and sell slaves, but mostly in the Mediterranean. In fact, Robert Davis estimates that 1.25 million European Christians were enslaved by the "barbary states" of northern Africa. As late as 1801 the USA bombed Morocco, Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli precisely to stop that Arab slave trade of Christians. The rate of mortality of those Christian slaves in the Islamic world was roughly the same as the mortality rate in the Atlantic slave trade of the same period.)"

The Origins of the Slave Trade

Africans Aboard a Slave Ship

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For centuries before the Atlantic Slave Trade (triangle slave trade), the East African slave trade, also known as the Arab slave trade existed for thousands of years. Even in pre-Islamic Arabia blacks were bought and traded within known slave markets in Arabia.

Europeans officially abolished slavery in the 19th century. Arabs continued to enslave Blacks up till the late 20th century when they were forced to abolish slavery by the U.N. and Western pressure.



Also checkout Islamic Empires involvement in enslaving Europeans:

Muslim Enslavement of Europeans

Barbary slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Slavic Slaves Within The Islamic World- Wikipedia

 

[Falcon29]

Hamas aren't Salafi?

No, they are Ikhwan.

 

[Desert Fox]

You do not need this. Beating/torture techniques are more than enough. Anyone who runs child prostitution rings needs to be taken in private for lesson and then executed at gunpoint. In Gaza we have some of best security on earth. Anyone that start brawl/public disorder will be dealt with immediately. We rarely have any cases of rape either. Gaza is small and crowded so anything that goes down will be spotted by neighbors. Houses are literally feet apart.

Most important thing is we have right people. Which are Hamas. Every person who is interested in disorder fears them. Including Salafi separatists.



Well as you said immigration policies are way they are because they were set to be that way by those who have interest in such policies. That doesn't mean you need to end immigration, just bring over the right people. In the United States we don't have this problem.

Not necessarily torture. For example: If someone is a ISIS supporter and wants Shariah law (ISIS version of Shariah law that is) implemented in his host European country, then such laws which are implemented under ISIS should apply to that individual.

If they want Shariah, then give them (and only them) their shariah. Why apply Europeans laws to them. Only a European fears being locked up in an air conditioned room with a television and gaming console. For a Somolian rapist posing as a refugee/asylum seeker that is a free shelter with all the basic amenities + more not available in his hometown back in Somalia. That's more like an incentive for raping.

 

[Falcon29]

Not necessarily torture. For example: If someone is a ISIS supporter and wants Shariah law (ISIS version of Shariah law that is) implemented in his host European country, then such laws which are implemented under ISIS should apply to that individual.

I see what you mean, you are looking at ideological perspective. I was saying beating for criminals who engage in this child ring affairs. Since it seems like big business over there.

If they want Shariah, then give them (and only them) their shariah. Why apply Europeans laws to them. Only a European fears being locked up in an air conditioned room with a television and gaming console. For a Somolian rapist posing as a refugee/asylum seeker that is a free shelter with all the basic amenities + more not available in his hometown back in Somalia. That's more like an incentive for raping.

Many Somalians are decent people. I believe most of culprits are Asian, at least in UK. And for people who can't keep up with society, if it is too hard to look after theirselves then without shame they should look somewhere else rather than vent their steam in foolish rallies.

 

[Desert Fox]

I see what you mean, you are looking at ideological perspective. I was saying beating for criminals who engage in this child ring affairs. Since it seems like big business over there.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. There should be a universal law of beating which applies to all criminals, however those demanding shariah should be encouraged to move to a Islamic country while also being governed under that law until they have been deported. They should have no place in the West if they despise it so much.

Many Somalians are decent people. I believe most of culprits are Asian, at least in UK. And for people who can't keep up with society, if it is too hard to look after theirselves then without shame they should look somewhere else rather than vent their steam in foolish rallies.

I guess it all depends on which part of Europe you visit. In U.K. its Somalians and South Asian Muslims, in France its North Africans and West Africans, in Germany its Kurds and Turks, in Sweden and other Scandinavian countries its Iraqis and Levantine Muslims.

And for people who can't keep up with society, if it is too hard to look after theirselves then without shame they should look somewhere else rather than vent their steam in foolish rallies.

Hmm, not sure what you mean by this part. Elaborate??

 

[Falcon29]

I don't necessarily disagree with you. There should be a universal law of beating which applies to all criminals, however those demanding shariah should be encouraged to move to a Islamic country while also being governed under that law until they have been deported. They should have no place in the West if they despise it so much.




I guess it all depends on which part of Europe you visit. In U.K. its Somalians and South Asian Muslims, in France its North Africans and West Africans, in Germany its Kurds and Turks, in Sweden and other Scandinavian countries its Iraqis and Levantine Muslims.



Hmm, not sure what you mean by this part. Elaborate??

I'm saying people who feel education system is too difficult and can't keep up should find another place that suits them. If they can't find source of income, usually people turn for support. If they don't get support/guidance they may become radicalized/ignorant.

 

[Desert Fox]

I agree with most of your comments except historically Muslims being the biggest enslavers, Muslims did participate in the slave trade but not on the scale of Europeans. Also let us not forget that Africans were also often sold into slavery by other Africans.

BTW, my wording was wrong. Instead of writing "Muslims were the biggest enslavers" i meant to write "Muslims were one of the biggest enslavers". I corrected my error.

And another misunderstanding that i must clear: I'm not trying to white wash the crimes of Europeans, however no nation of people, including Muslims, have a clean record when it comes to enslaving, looting, plundering, and subjugating other nations. The only reason why we non-Europeans are able to criticize the Europeans and impose a guilt complex upon them is because we have grown up learning about these atrocities either in school or through the popular media (films like "twelve years a slave", "django unchained" etc...). But very few people know about the atrocities committed by Muslims or other non-Europeans/Whites only because no one brings them up and the liberal/leftist establishment within the West has not made it a mandatory learning within the curriculum.

It is the holier than thou attitude within a lot of Muslims and other non-Whites/Europeans that is a big issue. And this attitude is hurting Muslims more than anyone as it is a sign of hypocrisy within the mentality of most Muslims.

 

[Judge]

Yeah, true. You can even see it here on this forum how some members try to excuse the criminal elements within European Muslim communities. If this is the prevailing mindset within Muslim communities in Europe then they are truly doomed.

Just so you know, the person you are arguing with - the hussain chap, he is a British Pakistani, lives in UK. A person living in West and enjoying what it offers and keeping such views.

 

[Desert Fox]

Just so you know, the person you are arguing with - the hussain chap, he is a British Pakistani, lives in UK. A person living in West and enjoying what it offers and keeping such views.

I had a feeling. I remember seeing his flags when he had them displayed (this was quite a while ago).

 

[Judge]

I guess it all depends on which part of Europe you visit. In U.K. its Somalians and South Asian Muslims, ?

Desert Fox, please do not use the British euphemism of 'Asians' and 'South Asian Muslims'.
As far as I am aware, Indian Muslims have been least involved in these kinds of things amongst the 'South Asian Muslims'.
It is predominantly a problem of Pakistani Muslims and to a far lesser extent Bangladeshi Muslims. The Indians and Bangladeshis have not been into this much.

 

[Desert Fox]

Desert Fox, please do not use the British euphemism of 'Asians' and 'South Asian Muslims'.
As far as I am aware, Indian Muslims have been least involved in these kinds of things amongst the 'South Asian Muslims'.
It is predominantly a problem of Pakistani Muslims and to a much lesser extent Bangladeshi Muslims.

Pakistan and Bangladesh are in South Asia, are they not?? And no, you are mistaken here, most people automatically know that it is Pakistanis and Bangladeshis being referred to as South Asian Muslims, and not Indians, at least that is from my observation.

 

[Judge]

Pakistan and Bangladesh are in South Asia, are they not?? And no, you are mistaken here, most people automatically know that it is Pakistanis and Bangladeshis being referred to as South Asian Muslims, and not Indians, at least that is from my observation.

As long as people do.
A lot of Indians in UK have massively complained against the use of the term 'Asians' and 'South Asians' by the media on the problems created by Pakistanis..as Indians get tagged as well - being the largest country in South Asia it automatically puts an association in the minds of people.

Its a way to pass collective blame and not be blunt(by the media in UK which strives to be politically correct to ridiculous proportions). Indians in UK- Muslims and non-Muslims- are least involved in these activities and particularly Indian Muslims should not suffer on account of what Pakistanis and others are doing. Even the Bangladeshis involved in this are few and far between compared to Pakistanis.

Forgive me for diverting the topic, but I am sensitive on the issue as one of my friends in UK - a Muslim - had to suffer in the aftermath of the Rochester incident by some ethnic Britishers. All because the media never called out the problem as it was but constantly used the term - Asians and South Asians in order to avoid being blunt.

 

[Desert Fox]

As long as people do.
A lot of Indians in UK have massively complained against the use of the term 'Asians' and 'South Asians' by the media on the problems created by Pakistanis..as Indians get tagged as well - being the largest country in South Asia it automatically puts an association in the minds of people.

Its a way to pass collective blame and not be blunt(by the media in UK which strives to be politically correct to ridiculous proportions). Indians in UK- Muslims and non-Muslims- are least involved in these activities and particularly Indian Muslims should not suffer on account of what Pakistanis and others are doing. Even the Bangladeshis involved in this are few and far between compared to Pakistanis.

Forgive me for diverting the topic, but I am sensitive on the issue as one of my friends in UK - a Muslim - had to suffer in the aftermath of the Rochester incident by some ethnic Britishers. All because the media never called out the problem as it was but constantly used the term - Asians and South Asians in order to avoid being blunt.

Hmm, well i see what you're saying and i understand. My usage of the term was in the context of region since i didn't want to go through the pain of listing every individual country for the sake of typing. I'm sure you noticed i also stated "North African and West Africans Muslims" instead of listing individual countries like Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Nigeria, Senegal, etc....

Also, if you go a few pages back in this thread you will see that i clearly stated that the rapists involved in the Rotherham rape scandal were all Pakistani immigrants.

Only for the sake of convenience of ease of typing i used the term South Asian since i did not want to take the pain of listing individual nationalities as that would make my post very long and it would also dilute my main point im trying to get across.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

They complain about white women being abused and sexualised when they themselves have turned white women into meat they turn a blind eye to the millions of white men travelling to third world slums like Thailand and Philippines to abuse innocent children and girl
Europe is going down regardless, its time is over? We might as well enjoy the ride until it finishes and ensure we have homes elsewhere

Kind of a payback for colonial times

you are a sick man ! & your views has very strong connotation with extremism , justifying the rapes of european women & nonsense like the the demands for sharia in western countries all in the name of enjoying the ride of the euro trend

@waz @Jungibaaz
just take a look @ his posts I am baffled, that he is even allowed to propagate such extreme views

 

[Screambowl]

The Swedes are warm and liberal people.

This was the work of extremist, probably a lone wolf.

that you would have not said if it was in India, because you want arms from them and they are gora. Obsession at heights!!

Hamas aren't Salafi?

they are!