Sweden confirms presence of mini-submarine inside its territorial waters in October

[A.P. Richelieu]

You doing it wrong, baby.

1. You should find it - you didn't.
2. You can't sunk anything - because your Navy is like 4-5 of rusty barges.
Anyway, nobody really care about your country here and you are just brainwashed shills of NATO.

The world also can be better if countries like Sweden stopped barking at normal countries.

No need to bark at normal countries.
Countries like Russia which blatantly violates international law for egoistic purposes needs to be barked at,
until they learn manners.

As for Rusty Ships:

Swedish Navy:

Russian Navy:

As for anti-submarine capabilities, the Russian Navy was out practising
hunting submarines way up North some years ago.
A Royal Navy submarine observed the whole thing from a good position,
like 3 meters below the keel of the Russian Navy flagship (Peter the Great).
Watch "The Silent War" documentary for more details.

I think You Russians should sort out Your own mess before criticising others.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Sweden is not even invited to be at such a summit, it's a quantité négligeable. Sweden has already disappeared before even arriving there.

Yes, and thats why Russian stooges like You, are out in full force
to deny yet another violation of international law.

 

[Barmaley]

Countries like Russia which blatantly violates international law

So... what's exactly law Russia had violated in last time? Which is your government can prove at least?

And... Why don't you barking at USA who violated your airspace?

Confirmed: US spy plane fleeing Russian jet invaded Swedish airspace
U.S. official: Spy plane evaded Russian tracking - CNN.com
Confirmed: US spy plane fleeing Russian jet invaded Swedish airspace — RT News

until they learn manners.

Who you are to teach someone manners and even talking about them?

Swedish Navy:

So a single corvette 20380 has more firepower then the whole Swedish Navy combined. Nice start.

A Royal Navy submarine observed the whole thing from a good position,

Brits are famous in invention of fairy tales.

and for Russian anti-submarine capabilities:

Russian Navy ‘forces US submarine out’ of Arctic boundary waters – report
Russian Navy ‘forces US submarine out’ of Arctic boundary waters – report — RT News

 

[Galad]

Ah i see comedy made in Sweden is still running.Seems lots of Sweden officials need urgent medical check-up.First was a submarine,now is mini-submarine.What`s next?Guess will be aliens .

 

[SvenSvensonov]

So a single corvette 20380 has more firepower then the whole Swedish Navy combined. Nice start.

I wouldn't brag too much, the Russian Navy is roughly analogous to our Coast Guard at this point in time. It lacks the long-range patrol and power projection that it once had and is dominated by coastal protection craft... it just has less firepower, funding and coordination than our coast guard. The sub force is making a nice comeback, but it's too little in quantity to make any real difference beyond Russia's immediate vicinity.

As for the Swedish Navy, that's my homeland and I keep up on their latest developments. It isn't what it once was, and yes, the Russian Navy is still far superior to that of Sweden, but Sweden possesses some very high quality systems that can prove more than just a nuisance to the Russian Navy. Don't overestimate yourself and don't sell your enemy short. The Swedes knew the Russia's were in their waters.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

So... what's exactly law Russia had violated in last time? Which is your government can prove at least?

And... Why don't you barking at USA who violated your airspace?

Confirmed: US spy plane fleeing Russian jet invaded Swedish airspace
U.S. official: Spy plane evaded Russian tracking - CNN.com
Confirmed: US spy plane fleeing Russian jet invaded Swedish airspace — RT News


Who you are to teach someone manners and even talking about them?

So a single corvette 20380 has more firepower then the whole Swedish Navy combined. Nice start.

Brits are famous in invention of fairy tales.

and for Russian anti-submarine capabilities:

Russian Navy ‘forces US submarine out’ of Arctic boundary waters – report
Russian Navy ‘forces US submarine out’ of Arctic boundary waters – report — RT News

We don't need to defeat the Russian Navy. We just need to keep the Russian Navy out of our waters,
and if U.S. Navy can't find our subs, then I doubt the Russian wrecks can do it.
Your corvette will be going down in two pieces, if you make a try to force an entry with a naval vessel.

As for the Americans, that can and has been sorted out through diplomatic channels.
Sweden is one of the few countries that managed to stop US SR-71 flights,
by showing close-in photos of the plane, taken by Swedish Fighter Aircrafts.

As the article pointed out, the unarmed surveillance aircraft was making its escape
from an apparent aggressive act from Russia.
A surveillance aircraft form no threat to Sweden.

The Russian violation of Swedish Airspace in the same timeframe,
was clearly intentional, and intended as harassment.
Also, the U.S. unlike Russia, does not practise bombing runs vs Sweden.

Russia breaking International Laws - Putin himself brags about Ukraine, nuff said.

As for manners, you and your cronies are obviously trying to play big bully on
an Internet Forum. That is ridiculous...

 

[Barmaley]

I wouldn't brag too much

You already brag too much.

the Russian Navy is roughly analogous to our Coast Guard at this point in time.

This is very wrongful statement and show your ignorance. Russian Navy active in the Mediterranean Sea, Pacific ocean and others zones.

As for power projection - it doesn't really help to you to win a war against radicals.

funding

The USA is well know for its high corruption in Army (and not only). Most of moneys goes to pockets of admirals and lobbyists from MIC.
More funding != quality.

Anyway, your Navy will be useless in war against us, so you can keep threatening small countries like Syria and sending to their shores Aircraft Carriers.

very high quality systems

Like what?

Don't overestimate yourself and don't sell your enemy short.

This is words better suited to you.

The Swedes knew the Russia's were in their waters.

Nobody care what some liars thinks, since they can't prove their words.

 

[Barmaley]

Your corvette will be going down in two pieces

I've already told to you that your Navy incapable to do anything like that.

As for the Americans, that can and has been sorted out through diplomatic channels.
Sweden is one of the few countries that managed to stop US SR-71 flights,
by showing close-in photos of the plane, taken by Swedish Fighter Aircrafts.
As the article pointed out, the unarmed surveillance aircraft was making its escape
from an apparent aggressive act from Russia.
A surveillance aircraft form no threat to Sweden.
The Russian violation of Swedish Airspace in the same timeframe,
was clearly intentional, and intended as harassment.
Also, the U.S. unlike Russia, does not practise bombing runs vs Sweden.

I get your point: As long as Americans violate your airspace - it's ok.

That is ridiculous...

Swedens are ridiculous and not only at this forum, but also in the Swedish government

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I've already told to you that your Navy incapable to do anything like that.

I get your point: As long as Americans violate your airspace - it's ok

Swedens are ridiculous and not only at this forum, but also in the Swedish government

If a Swedish submarine can sink a US supercarrier protected by its normal assortment
of escorts, it can certainly sink the rusty barges Russia call a Navy.

HSwMS Gotland (1995) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for Your comments about "forcing a US submarine out".
You have presented no proof that there was a submarine there,
nor any proof that they were forced out.

With that kind of proof, we could claim that we forced a Russian mini submarine
out of Swedish territorial water. The Submarine mothership turned around
and fled, and the rescue ship steaming at full speed towards the area, turned around,
when there was no more chance to save the Russian sailors.

You are making a fool out of yourself.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

You're a funny guy, short on anything of substance, but funny. You say the Russian navy is active around the world? Yes, it is and so too is our coast guard. The US Coast Guard has a presence in the Middle-East, Europe and East Asia. There are stations in Saipan, Rotterdam, and various other nations and cities including Japan and Bahrain.

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Your claim that the US is well-known for corruption in the military is laughable... well-known to you perhaps, but not to anyone else. Your own delusions cannot be cited as factual. Can you cite an example of money ending up in the hands of US military brass? Are you sure you didn't mistake our military for that of Russia's?

Growing Corruption In the Russian Military | The Interpreter

Russia’s military modernisation: Putin’s new model army | The Economist

As for Swedish quality systems, you obviously have access to the internet and could spend some time away from PDF to do your own research, but I'll help you a bit.

Visby-class corvette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gotland-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Saab JAS 39 Gripen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Saab 340 AEW&C - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There's plenty more if you need it. @A.P. Richelieu - perhaps you could add a few more?

Lastly, on the point of bragging, I did none while you made erroneous claims.

 

[Barmaley]

If a Swedish submarine can sink a US supercarrier protected by its normal assortment
of escorts, it can certainly sink the rusty barges Russia call a Navy.

Only in your wet dreams.

As for Your comments about "forcing a US submarine out".
You have presented no proof that there was a submarine there,
nor any proof that they were forced out.
With that kind of proof, we could claim that we forced a Russian mini submarine
out of Swedish territorial water. The Submarine mothership turned around
and fled, and the rescue ship steaming at full speed towards the area, turned around,
when there was no more chance to save the Russian sailors.

The Russian Navy, unlike you, has a long history of successful tracking and interception of US submarines. So keep your lies to yourself and to your brainwashed countrymans. And when the Russian MoD said that there an US submarine - that's mean it's true.

Submarine incident off Kildin Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Submarine incident off Kildin Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Only in your wet dreams.


The Russian Navy, unlike you, has a long history of successful tracking and interception of US submarines. So keep your lies to yourself and to your brainwashed countrymans. And when the Russian MoD said that there an US submarine - that's mean it's true.
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Submarine incident off Kildin Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Submarine incident off Kildin Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

F**k off.

The Russian Navy has a long history of colliding with UNDETECTED US submarines,
right outside its major Naval bases, and you boast about this, thats ridiculous .
Wonder how many UNDETECTED US submarines the Russian Navy have not collided with?

You are in your full right to be pissed off about US beeing in Russian Territorial waters
You have NO right to boast about your submarine hunting skills based on collisions.

If Putin can lie about "little green men" in Crimea, and the some weeks later admit, they were Russian Army,
I am sure that Russian MoD can work the same way.

The Scientific approach is to show proof. You just act like a con artist...

 

[Barmaley]

There are stations in Saipan, Rotterdam, and various other nations and cities including Japan and Bahrain.

Well, those nations are occupied by the American Army. No wonder you installed there a large bases to keep those nations down.
Yet, we have bases abroad. So what?

Can you cite an example of money ending up in the hands of US military brass? Are you sure you didn't mistake our military for that of Russia's?

Yes, I'm pretty sure.

U.S. Navy petty officer pleads guilty in corruption scandal| Reuters
Navy charges fourth official in worst corruption scandal in decades — RT USA

but I'll help you a bit.

and this is what you call "high-tech" in America? Are you even serious? This is level of USSR 70s if not worst.
Just look at weapons of this ships and submarines.

 

[Barmaley]

The Russian Navy has a long history of colliding with UNDETECTED US submarines,
right outside its major Naval bases, and you boast about this, thats ridiculous .
Wonder how many UNDETECTED US submarines the Russian Navy have not collided with?
You are in your full right to be pissed off about US beeing in Russian Territorial waters
You have NO right to boast about your submarine hunting skills based on collisions.

I see, you don't understand conception of "crowding enemy ship out of waters". Such tactics used by both submarines and surface ships.

The US submarines were detected and kicked out of waters, not for the first time. This is also shows that American submarines aren't capable to detect Russian submarines.

Anyway, this is discussion going into wrong direction since you start mention Crimea and others stuff which is not related to Sweden.

I'm outta.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I see, you don't understand conception of "crowding enemy ship out of waters". Such tactics used by both submarines and surface ships.

The US submarines were detected and kicked out of waters, not for the first time. This is also shows that American submarines aren't capable to detect Russian submarines.

Anyway, this is discussion going into wrong direction since you start mention Crimea and others stuff which is not related to Sweden.

I'm outta.

I am quite familiar with Russians breaking laws of the air, over international waters,
so it comes as no surprise that Russians may break laws of the sea.

Reading carefully, the submarine incidents were both in territories, which the US does not recognize
as Russian, and the incident in the Black Sea, the right of law, also seems to be debated.

The US generally has quite good capabilities to detect Russian Submarines,
but they are not 100%.
Again, You show no evidenceof any submarine hunt,