Swat Peace Deal - The Aftermath

[Durran3]

Why do we try to support elements in Pakistan that are clearly not of Pakistan's Interest in any shape or form. The Federally Administered Tribal areas of Pakistan for e.g NEVER recognized Pakistan in the first place, they don't want to be with Paksitan, they don't even consider themselves Paksitani.

They don't pay taxes, don't abide by Pakistani Federal Laws, don't pay utility bills and have special seats in all the board exams. The only thing that ever came from these regions are Drugs, Weapons, Money Laundering and Religous Fanatics... Why than do we still keep on supporting these areas and constantly want them to be a part of Pakistan when the people in these regions don't give a Horse **** about Pakistan in the first place..

Why than is our Government Condemning drone attacks on these tribal areas when these very tribal areas don't even abide by Pakistani laws or are even a Part of Pakistan. why is it that when you enter these areas you are constantly bombarded with road signs warning you to be at your own risk..

Pakistan seriously needs to start looking at whats IN OUR interest..

 

[TruthSeeker]

Why do we try to support elements in Pakistan that are clearly not of Pakistan's Interest in any shape or form. The Federally Administered Tribal areas of Pakistan for e.g NEVER recognized Pakistan in the first place, they don't want to be with Paksitan, they don't even consider themselves Paksitani.

It seems like the Paktuns have never really submitted to non-Paktun rule. However, if "Paktunistan" were declared and allowed to be independent, what would be accomplished? Paktunistan would then become the launching pad for mischief in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. It seems that the Paktuns need to be either co-opted into a civilized political arrangement, or crushed.

 

[Durran3]

The Lateral is out of the question, impossible and downright stupid...

I am a Pakhtun myself as i reside in Peshawar which IS a part of Pakistan and fully support Pakistan as well as many Pakhtoon regions around it like Abbotabad, Charsadda, Mardan, and all those places.. Many Pakhtoons at the same time are very patriotic towards Pakistan as well especially the regions i mentioned above.. but with that being said my only quarrel is with FATA and what needs to be done with regards to it because FATA is NOT in the interest of Pakistan and Pakistani People.

Its a very tough situation and the whole geographic location that was mapped during the Partition and after was clearly done by someone who obviously wasn't to sure about the geo-political nature and the type of people that surround these areas..

 

[Munir]

Fata is part of Pakistan and the time of pirates of criminals ruling the area should be over. Why negotiating with people that have hardly respect for humanity If they use ideology to kill others then the reaction should be education. And surely the destruction of eveil forces in Fata.

 

[RabzonKhan]

MQM to mark Condemnation Day on April 5 on public flogging of girl

KARACHI, April 4 (APP): The chief of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement(MQM), Altaf Hussain, while vehemently condemning the public flogging of a girl in Swat, announced the observance of a peaceful Condemnation Day on April 5.

An announcement to this effect was made in an MQM statement received here on Friday.

It said the MQM chief appealed to the people to display black flags and banners at their homes houses, shops, streets and industrial concerns to register their peaceful protest against the incident.

Altaf Hussain said some barbaric people publicly flogged a 17‑year old innocent girl on what he said false accusation.

He said the girl was travelling with her father‑in‑law yet a false allegation was levelled against her.

The MQM chief said the girl was laid on the ground and then publicly flogged in a barbaric manner.

He appealed to every segment of the society to protest against this heinous act and by displaying black flags and banners and thus register their peaceful protest against the incident.

Altaf Hussain said the people show in a united manner that the entire nation is protesting against such cruel act and was against terrorism and cruelty.

 

[RabzonKhan]

CJP takes suo motu notice

April 04, 2009

ISLAMABAD: Taking suo motu notice of a video showing the flogging of a girl in Swat, Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry issued notices on Friday to the federal interior secretary, and the NWFP chief secretary and inspector general of police to appear before the court on Monday. He ordered the fixation of the matter under Article 184(3) of the constitution before an eight-member larger bench of the Supreme Court, to be headed by him.

The larger bench constituted also comprises Justice Javed Iqbal, Justice Sardar Muhammad Raza Khan, Justice Khalilur Rehman Ramday, Justice Faqir Muhammad Khokhar, Justice Mian Shakirullah Jan, Justice Raja Fayyaz Ahmed and Justice Chaudhry Ijaz Ahmed. The CJP also directed the federal interior secretary to find the victim and produce her before the court. Notices have also been issued to the attorney general of Pakistan, the NWFP advocate general and the president of the NWFP High Court Bar Association. masood rehman

 

[RabzonKhan]

Outraged


ISLAMABAD: Civil society activists protest against religious extremists for lashing a 17-year-old girl in public. online

 

[BaburCM]

It seems like the Paktuns have never really submitted to non-Paktun rule. However, if "Paktunistan" were declared and allowed to be independent, what would be accomplished? Paktunistan would then become the launching pad for mischief in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. It seems that the Paktuns need to be either co-opted into a civilized political arrangement, or crushed.

What's is wrong with you bloodthirsty psycho Americans and the urge to always crush others? What do you even know about the Pukhtoons? NWFP used to be the most peaceful region of Pakistan. If there is anyone mainly responsible or that needs to be crushed it are the hypocritical Americans. You are the one that created the monster Taliban. You armed, trained and financed these monsters to achieve your short-term interests against the former USSR. You left everyone high and dry after the war. This heinous bloodshed is your making. You have the audacity to come on this forum and preach your hatred amongst our own? How foolish you are...

 

[TruthSeeker]

You are the one that created the monster Taliban. You armed, trained and financed these monsters to achieve your short-term interests against the former USSR. You left everyone high and dry after the war. This heinous bloodshed is your making. You have the audacity to come on this forum and preach your hatred amongst our own? How foolish you are...

This is complete BS. The Taliban is the creation of Islamic groups in the Gulf, Afghanistan and Pakistan. These people were NOT created by the CIA or any other American entity. You are in DENIAL. You will never get better until you stop blaming other people for your own problems, and take responsibility for the monsters that YOUR culture has created.

 

[RabzonKhan]

Barbarity in Swat

Sunday, 05 Apr, 2009

SHE is not the first victim of the Taliban’s barbarity nor is she likely to be the last. But the grainy footage of a 17-year-old girl being publicly flogged in Swat has brought home for many the reality of the living hell that is today’s Pakistan. Pinned to the ground and encircled by onlookers, the screaming girl was lashed at least 30 times. Her ‘crime’, according to the Swat Taliban, was to be seen with a man who was not her husband. The identity of her companion is wholly immaterial. The point at issue is this: what gives the Taliban the right or authority to act as judge, jury and executioner? And this is the answer: their authority stems from the decisions taken by successive administrations, including the government now in power, who chose to cede the writ of the state by striking deals with mass murderers. The state has failed the people of Pakistan and stands guilty by association.

The turning point came in September 2006 with the signing of the Waziristan deal by the Musharraf regime. The state abandoned the people and gave the militants space to regroup, rearm and administer ‘justice’ as they pleased. It should be clear by now that the desired results can never be achieved by negotiating with people who abhor our core values and wish to gain total control over Pakistan. A complete rethink is in order if we wish to keep at bay forces that will never allow a nuclear state to fall into the hands of the Taliban. A spokesman for the Swat Taliban said the girl who was flogged was shown ‘leniency’. If that is the militants’ concept of compassion, those who argue that there is no such thing as the ‘moderate’ Taliban may have been right all along.

Today we repeat the need to develop a political and social consensus on the issue of militancy. Though in a small minority, there is no shortage of apologists who are either blind to reality or sympathise with the Taliban. An NWFP minister belonging to the ostensibly secular ANP was at pains to stress that the flogging took place before the peace deal was struck in Swat. The timing, sir, is of no consequence whatsoever. What is clear is that the Taliban will never change their ways until they are compelled to do so. Some religious groups have condemned the incident, but the head of the Jamaat-i-Islami repeatedly evaded the issue in an interview with a television channel. He asked what is “so special” about the girl’s flogging that it deserves so much hue and cry, conflating the incident with the completely unrelated issue of US drone attacks. Top government leaders have been strong in their condemnation but statements alone will not suffice. The Taliban are not answerable to anyone. But the elected government has some serious explaining to do.

 

[RabzonKhan]

Lahore says no to Taliban ‘justice’

April 05, 2009

* Participants condemn the flogging of a girl by Taliban in Swat
* Citizens from Swat, Gwadar say whole country opposes terrorism


Staff Report

LAHORE: Hundreds of citizens from all walks of life marched on The Mall in a peace rally against terrorism on Saturday.

In a country where arriving late for an occasion is considered fashionable, the citizens reached the Lahore High Court (LHC) on time to show their support for peace and to condemn and say no to terrorism.

People from all sections and segments of society, and of all age groups, came out in large numbers to raise their voice in support of peace and in opposition to terrorism. Students, teachers, activists of the civil society and human rights organisations, actors, artists, journalists, lawyers, and ordinary citizens were all part of the rally.

The participants carried placards condemning terrorism and the ongoing wave of Talibanisation. The incident of a teenaged girl being flogged in Swat by the Taliban was the special focus of the rally’s participants. The rally was attended by a large number of women, who all condemned the recently televised video of 17-year-old Chand, who was lashed in Swat. The rally progressed from the LHC to the Charing Cross, where the participants addressed the rally and made speeches for peace.

Slogans: The participants shouted slogans against the Taliban, like Taliban Ka Jo Yar Hai, Ghaddar Hai Ghaddar Hai (Whoever is a friend of the Taliban is a traitor), Taliban Ki Ghunda Gardi Bund Karo (Stop the atrocities of Taliban). They said that Taliban were terrorists and the government should not sign any peace agreements with them.

Swat, Gwadar: People from far-flung areas like Swat and Balochistan had also come to participate in the rally. Sattar Khan, who had come all the way from Swat, said the people of the valley did not support the terrorists. He said those involved in terrorist activities in Swat were no friends of Pakistan. He said he had come to attend the rally to show solidarity and because he thought such events would create public awareness.

A Baloch citizen, who came from Gwadar, said the people from across the country opposed terrorism and, and had come out on the roads in Lahore to show their support against terror.

 

[RabzonKhan]

Walk for a cause



ISLAMABAD: Civil society activists protest against the public lashing of a girl by the Taliban. Shabbir Hussain

 

[osamaziadxb]

This is complete BS. The Taliban is the creation of Islamic groups in the Gulf, Afghanistan and Pakistan. These people were NOT created by the CIA or any other American entity. You are in DENIAL. You will never get better until you stop blaming other people for your own problems, and take responsibility for the monsters that YOUR culture has created.

the taliban is creation of Gulf ,afganistan nd pakistan ..they r active nd making horrible attacks in these areas but i dont know that y US is so good & eliminating them here..if these r creation of us leave it to us..we will make a war against them..y u r crying like child?

 

[RabzonKhan]

EDITORIAL: The state has given up...

April 05, 2009

President Asif Ali Zardari has “ordered an inquiry” into the public flogging of a 17-year-old girl in Swat, and Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry has taken his famous suo moto notice by asking the IGP NWFP to produce the girl in court. But we all know nothing can be done against the Taliban who did the evil deed, and that the girl will not come to the court unless the Taliban allow it. More likely, she may be killed instead of being allowed to attend the CJ’s court. As for the ANP government, it had better look after Peshawar because it is once again under siege from the Khyber warlord.

What if the girl can actually be brought to the court? What will follow may embarrass us further. There is nothing anyone can do against the deeds of those who rule Swat.Sufi Muhammad is more offended with Islamabad for not signing the sharia deal and less worried about the flogging of the girl. His son-in-law Fazlullah, whose men do the beheadings and the floggings, has actually returned to Imam Dheri and was in the madrassa right after the Friday sermon of the Sufi. He has made his comeback to the place after two years. Things are going well for the Taliban.

The nation has literally shrieked in protest, but the TV channels were not as united as they were when the Long March was taking place. As a majority showed the national outrage, some actually took the line that the video that showed the girl being flogged was “cooked up” somewhere outside Pakistan and released through a lackey NGO to sabotage the peace in Swat. The “liberals” were roundly abused and — and this is new — action was recommended against them because they were “disloyal to Pakistan” and its ideology. One said: “How could she have walked away after the flogging?” The suppressed desire was that the flogging should have been tougher.

The Barelvis spoke out from among the clergy. It was the usually “tight” conservative Mufti Munibur Rehman who said that the flogging was un-Islamic because the punisher did not have recourse to a properly state-backed court. The Sunni Tehreek, which was massacred by Deobandi terrorists in 2006 in Karachi, spoke out too, saying Islam did not tolerate such debasement of women. But the spokesman of the Taliban said it was an old video and the punishment was deserved. Our top Islamic intellectual Javed Ghamidi condemned the flogging but he carries no gun and therefore his opinion carries no weight.

The ANP government spokesman can’t be blamed for being defensive. The Peshawar government knows that over 5000 Swat Taliban have just defeated a 20,000-strong army force there and Islamabad is still interested more in worrying about and fighting India than the terrorists. And Peshawar concentrates blamelessly on getting the Swatis back in Swat plying their trades as of old. It is no longer important who rules and who does what to the people after that. Whether the girl was flogged a fortnight ago or nine months ago, the fact is that the people who commit these crimes are the ones who will possibly rule from now on.

There is impotence peeping out from the fury of the editorials. One paper opined: “You members of the softly-spoken majority have a choice to make. Either you continue to speak but have your words drowned by those who would publicly whip your sisters, mothers, daughters and wives for whatever petty gossip is purveyed by jealous or malicious neighbours; or you raise your voices loud in protest”. Sadly, the time to raise voices is past. The state has to fight back to save itself from dying. But it seems that it plans to surrender quietly simply because its army is more interested in fighting the highly exaggerated “external” enemies on the borders.

More dangerously, the nation is divided between those who are scared and those who want the Taliban order to prevail simply because it is “Islamic”. The Taliban were “mis-described” when they ruled in Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda has never been accepted as a real and present danger to Pakistan. And to keep the world out while we succumb, our rulers lean on the guaranteed UN myth of “state sovereignty”.

 

[osamaziadxb]

rabzon bhai yar sarey ehtijaj karne wale modern log hain.?