Swat Peace Deal - The Aftermath

[RabzonKhan]

rabzon bhai yar sarey ehtijaj karne wale modern log hain.?

Osamaziadxb bhai, one does not have to be “modern” to condemn Taliban barbarians.

 

[Durran3]

Condemning Taliban is not being Modern.. its using your conscience and common sense that tells you these people are not in the interest of Pakistan and simply don't belong in ANY Civilized society!!

 

[Patriot]

Condemning Taliban is not being Modern.. its using your conscience and common sense that tells you these people are not in the interest of Pakistan and simply don't belong in ANY Civilized society!!

Well said.Taliban belong to stone age.

 

[RabzonKhan]

The award for the dumbest comment unquestionably goes to Senator Azam Khan Swati.

JUI-F minister terms Swat flogging a Jewish plot

 

[All-Green]

The award for the dumbest comment unquestionably goes to Senator Azam Khan Swati.

JUI-F minister terms Swat flogging a Jewish plot

What can we expect from these Mullahs and Islamic parties?

A few years ago MMA was willing to resign if amendments were made in the Hudood ordinance which is one the most pathetic parts of our law.
This opposition was of course readily supported by all the Mullahs as the devil's conspiracy.
In Hudood ordinance the raped person is under more pressure to prove her rape or face punishment for Zina (illegal Sex), this is a fact but we (the idiots that we have become) still chose to think that it is some zionist plot against Islam and not a genuine reason to amend the Hudood ordinance.

The time is ripe for Pakistanis to let go of the stupid petty theories put forward by our Mullahs, Religious parties and political parties.
We should focus on what is best and fair for Pakistan and Pakistanis and that will inshallah be best for Islam as well.

To surrender our country and religion to terrorists/mercenaries is not something we should consider as an option.

Make no mistake, we fight for Pakistan and Islam both in fighting against the TTP and their supporters and financiers (overt and covert).

 

[RabzonKhan]

Seminar on militancy in FATA and Swat: ‘No to peace at expense of rights’

* Speakers criticise peace deal struck with Taliban, say ‘militants’ have no respect for people’s basic rights
* HRCP chairwoman announces countrywide campaign against terrorism, militancy

Staff Report
April 06, 2009

LAHORE: Pakistanis cannot accept peace that comes by surrendering citizens’ rights to the Taliban, participants of a seminar organised by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) observed on Sunday.

Speakers at the seminar – Militancy in FATA and Swat: Impact and Remedies – said all militants in Swat and FATA were not locals, and people from other parts of the country, as well as other countries, were operating in the areas.

The speakers – including HRCP Chairwoman Asma Jahangir, Iqbal Haider, Sher Muhammad Khan, Kamran Arif, Waseem Shah, Zarteef Afridi, Ihsanullah Afridi, Shaukat Saleem and Zainul Aabideen – said the conflict in Swat could end only if the government and the military were determined. However, they said such determination was not in evidence. They said the military operation in Swat had been a failure, and had only caused large-scale suffering and displacement to civilians.

They said the government had failed in its primary responsibility of protecting the lives, liberty and property of citizens. Speakers hailing form Swat and the Tribal Areas said militancy had spilled over from those areas, and now the whole NWFP was at its mercy.

Peace deal: All speakers criticised the ‘so-called’ peace deal struck with the Taliban in Swat, and regretted the government had bargained with elements who did not have any respect for people’s basic rights. They said not a single person from Swat had been consulted before striking the deal. The speakers criticised the role of the media in glorifying the Taliban, and emphasised the need for calling them militants.

Campaign: Speaking on the occasion, Asma Jahangir said the military, all political parties and the civil society should be taken on board to make a comprehensive policy to deal with the Taliban. She said a countrywide campaign against terrorism and militancy would be launched, and volunteers would go to various universities and colleges to create awareness among the youth about the situation in the trouble-hit areas.

 

[All-Green]

Seminar on militancy in FATA and Swat: ‘No to peace at expense of rights’

* Speakers criticise peace deal struck with Taliban, say ‘militants’ have no respect for people’s basic rights
* HRCP chairwoman announces countrywide campaign against terrorism, militancy

Staff Report
April 06, 2009

LAHORE: Pakistanis cannot accept peace that comes by surrendering citizens’ rights to the Taliban, participants of a seminar organised by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) observed on Sunday.

Speakers at the seminar – Militancy in FATA and Swat: Impact and Remedies – said all militants in Swat and FATA were not locals, and people from other parts of the country, as well as other countries, were operating in the areas.

The speakers – including HRCP Chairwoman Asma Jahangir, Iqbal Haider, Sher Muhammad Khan, Kamran Arif, Waseem Shah, Zarteef Afridi, Ihsanullah Afridi, Shaukat Saleem and Zainul Aabideen – said the conflict in Swat could end only if the government and the military were determined. However, they said such determination was not in evidence. They said the military operation in Swat had been a failure, and had only caused large-scale suffering and displacement to civilians.

They said the government had failed in its primary responsibility of protecting the lives, liberty and property of citizens. Speakers hailing form Swat and the Tribal Areas said militancy had spilled over from those areas, and now the whole NWFP was at its mercy.

Peace deal: All speakers criticised the ‘so-called’ peace deal struck with the Taliban in Swat, and regretted the government had bargained with elements who did not have any respect for people’s basic rights. They said not a single person from Swat had been consulted before striking the deal. The speakers criticised the role of the media in glorifying the Taliban, and emphasised the need for calling them militants.

Campaign: Speaking on the occasion, Asma Jahangir said the military, all political parties and the civil society should be taken on board to make a comprehensive policy to deal with the Taliban. She said a countrywide campaign against terrorism and militancy would be launched, and volunteers would go to various universities and colleges to create awareness among the youth about the situation in the trouble-hit areas.

If we read between the lines HRCP on one hand says that peace should not be at the cost of rights, on the other hand it says that military action was a failure and only caused displacement and suffering.

If Army fights a pitched battle with the TTP then the collateral cannot be avoided. That is the price of freedom from these TTP goons i am afraid.
There will be suffering but if the political reps and the people of these areas hold fast and cooperate with Army and demand/force Army cooperation (where lacking) then TTP will cease to roam free!

Even if a terrorist's house is hit these rights groups and our media flaunts the dead bodies of victims of Army attack and end up making Army look like butchers of their own citizens.
Media and the rights groups have been critical of everyone but end up helping the militants in the propaganda war.
How many TTP atrocities are reported and discussed openly?
Government and Army is being bashed everyday in talk shows etc. but the media gurus are always clever enough not to say anything that directly assaults the Taliban Ideology, leadership and their inhuman acts.

Similar kind of claims we heard in the Lal Masjid scenario but when the price of freedom was paid the entire operation was called the devil's plan and the poor injured soldiers and martyrs were called butchers by all and sundry.
Hamid Mir nagged like a woman about the government's writ in Lal Masjid but how he changed colors after the operation, that was quite shocking!

Let us hope that they do launch nationwide protests for that shall be brave, build up spirit and will help the Army in its operation

 

[fatman17]

‘Islam manipulated only in Pakistan’

LAHORE: There are 57 Muslim countries in the world, but militants do not manipulate Islam in any of them like they do it in Pakistan, said Afzal Khan Lala, a veteran Pashtun politician from Swat. Addressing the seminar on the phone from Swat, Lala – who had refused to leave his house in Swat in the face of threats, and defied the Taliban – said no one had consulted the people of Swat before signing the peace deal with the Taliban. He praised the chief justice of Pakistan for taking a suo motu notice of public flogging of a 17-year-old girl in Swat.

staff report

 

[Solomon2]

There are 57 Muslim countries in the world, but militants do not manipulate Islam in any of them like they do it in Pakistan

The very reason for the existence of Pakistan is to have a separate state for the Muslims of South Asia, yes? The Taliban see themselves as out to make Pakistan as Muslim as possible. If you only fight the Talibs at a secular level, what justification for Pakistan remains? Have today's Pakistani political leaders truly made this case?

 

[PeacefulIndian]

The very reason for the existence of Pakistan is to have a separate state for the Muslims of South Asia, yes? The Taliban see themselves as out to make Pakistan as Muslim as possible. If you only fight the Talibs at a secular level, what justification for Pakistan remains? Have today's Pakistani political leaders truly made this case?

This goes back to 1947. IMHO, Jeenah was the only one, and to some extent Liaqat Ali Khan, understood what Pakistan was all about. Pakistan was supposed to be a new hope for muslims not only from India, but from all over the world. It was supposed to be a muslim state, yet with ample room for all other religions too. There was never supposed to be fanaticism.

For me, the downfall started when Zia Ul Haq came in. He Islamized the government, hoping to achieve unity & progress. But I think he went too far. Probably there lies the root of today's situation.

To answer your question, yes, Jeenah would have gone after Taliban with all guns blazing, had he been alive. Not today's Pakistan, which is largely "Religiously confused".

 

[nwmalik]

we can see what has started in manshera and dir. these criminals "taliban" have started in the same way killing the police and women workers. ?will we make another deal.
Swat deal has allowed them to spread their men to adjacent areas. We should hold them responsible for every action in the country if not then cancel the deal and start severe action. Please wake is my appeal to the people of pakistan unit against this menace.
Please dont be confused, this has nothing to do with Islam

 

[Solomon2]

Please dont be confused, this has nothing to do with Islam

So what else does the GoP offer, other than a weak, watered-down version of Sharia? Conflict with India and the promise that Pakistan will serve as the nuke-shielded base for the expansion of Islam by terror and force? What deal does the GoP have to offer its citizens - or are they merely subjects?

 

[Patriot]

So what else does the GoP offer, other than a weak, watered-down version of Sharia? Conflict with India and the promise that Pakistan will serve as the nuke-shielded base for the expansion of Islam by terror and force? What deal does the GoP have to offer its citizens - or are they merely subjects?

I think IF GOP can provide good security to Citizens, Jobs, fix the economy then Millitants support will die.

 

[Solomon2]

I think IF GOP can provide good security to Citizens, Jobs, fix the economy then Millitants support will die.

I didn't ask what the GoP could do. I asked what the GoP and its leaders actually promise its citizens? Without a "deal" - a promise to the populace that if we work hard to do such-and-such, please support us, even though that requires citizens must sacrifice - there isn't much democratic legitimacy, no "mandate", as we Americans say. What is the GoP promising its citizens as a reason why they should back the GoP and sacrifice their sous and sons rather than going with the Taliban?

 

[Patriot]

I didn't ask what the GoP could do. I asked what the GoP and its leaders actually promise its citizens? Without a "deal" - a promise to the populace that if we work hard to do such-and-such, please support us, even though that requires citizens must sacrifice - there isn't much democratic legitimacy, no "mandate", as we Americans say. What is the GoP promising its citizens as a reason why they should back the GoP and sacrifice their sous and sons rather than going with the Taliban?

I clearly don't understand what you are trying to say.GOP is democratically elected government.People shouted for this democracy in 2007 (During Musharraf Era) and now they've got it.The only institution capable of getting people support (even with force) without election is Army not the Talibans....Why would Pakistanis back Talibans?Some Religious bigot might support them but not all of them support them.