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Suspected Israeli Informant Arrested In Lahore

This is madness on part of Pakistani posters.

Really sad to see.

We do not have name of the so-called "operative" "agent" or "ja-soos".

We do not have the nature of his "Ja-soos-i"

No credible paper (based on my quick google search) seems to post the news

No official confirmation from Pakistani police, or army, or FIA, or CID, or IB, or the Indian favorite whipping boy the infamous HI-HESS-HI (ISI in normal pronunciation).

Even if some of these things come out at some stage,

what the fing purpose is to bring in the discussion of horrible horrible murder of Dannie Pearl. Why?

Just because he was American and Jewish by faith that he deserved this terrible injustice? And that in Pakistan? even in my beloved city of Karachi?


Please Pakistani logo, do not cheapen the name of our country. Do not bring in our name with the black-faced Talib-baboonic butchers just to spite a distant country called Israel. The country that has done nothing significant either against us or for us.


Use some brains please and stop this thread with 200 posts of garbage.


peace

p.s. I wasn't going to post hoping this thread will die its death, but now even Dennie pearl is being dragged in here.

Pathetic thread, just pathetic and inhuman thread.
 
Was an Israeli citizen.
Just because he had an Israeli citizenship doesn't make him an Israeli. You said he was an Israeli and that is why he was killed.
Allow me to give you an example: Many Pakistanis have dual nationalities, Pakistani and British. They are either British (born in and raised in Britain) or Pakistani (born and raised in Pakistan). They are not both.

As this man was an American with an Israeli citizenship but he was born and raised as an American. So your point is invalid.
 
Ḥashshāshīn;3810730 said:
I don't understand why Indians always defend Israel so much

India is one of the few countries in world were Jews lived peacefully for centuries......................Israel was our friend even when we didn't had diplomatic relations..................
Check this from my Home State Kerala.........................

It may well be that the Cochin Jews have lived for two millennia on the fertile Malabar Coast of southwest India. This tropical area is now the modern Indian state of Kerala, named for the kera, or coconut palm tree, that is so basic to its landscape and economy. Though tradition has it that there were once many thousands of Jews in Malabar, no more than 2,500 were recorded in recent centuries, and only about 60 remain there today.
Early History

Varied traditions about the origin of the Cochin Jews appear in travelers' accounts and in Hebrew chronicles from Malabar, some written as early as the 17th century. Some records say the first Jews sailed to South India on the ships of King Solomon; others say they came during the Babylonian exile; others that they fled to Malabar after the destruction of the Second Temple; and others refer to a fourth-century migration from Majorca.
cochin jews of india
Most of these stories revolve around the existence of a Jewish community in the ancient trade center of Cranganore (which the Jews called Shingly), north of Cochin. One chronicle tells how a group of Jews descended from the Assyrian exile made their way to Calicut (further up the coast) by way of Yemen, and a Malayalam Jewish song suggests that the Jews of the ancient town of Palur may have come from Yemen.

The oldest documentary evidence of a Jewish community in Kerala dates from 1000 CE, when a Jewish leader named Joseph Rabban received a set of engraved copper plates from the Hindu ruler of Cranganore. These plates, which are still preserved in the Cochin Paradesi synagogue, list economic and ceremonial privileges including exemption from paying taxes, the right to collect tolls, and the honor of using particular lamps, umbrellas, drums, and trumpets associated with high ritual status. It is clear that by this time the Jews were firmly established in the area.

Jewish merchants known as Radanites began traveling by sea and land between the Mediterranean and China in the ninth century, stopping at ports along the Malabar coast. Commercial documents from the Cairo Genizah give glimpses of Jewish trade with India in the centuries that followed.

Before the Portuguese conquest in the 16th century, there were Jewish communities in a number of coastal towns, as well as in Cranganore. In 1341 a flood shifted the coastline, silting up Cranganore and opening a new harbor in Cochin, and the Jews began to leave their ancient home in Shingly.
Growth of the Kerala Community

Beginning in the early 16th century there was a new migration of Jews to Kerala. Some of the newcomers were Sephardic Jews, direct and indirect refugees from the Spanish and Portuguese expulsions, who came to India by way of Aleppo, Constantinople, and the Land of Israel. Others were from Iraq, Persia, Yemen, and Germany.

In 1568 the Jewish newcomers, who were subsequently called Paradesis ("foreigners" in Malayalam), built a synagogue of their own next to the Maharaja's palace in Cochin. They adopted the Malayalam language and identified enthusiastically with Kerala customs and traditions, but at some point they stopped marrying the Jews who had been there many centuries before them.

In written accounts (especially by Western visitors) the Paradesis often were referred to as "white Jews" and the more ancient Malabari communities as "black Jews," though there is not always a clear distinction between them in terms of skin color.

By the 18th century there were eight synagogues in five different Kerala towns and villages. As all but Parur were located within the kingdom of Cochin, the term "Cochin Jews" was eventually applied to all Kerala Jews.

Written sources indicate that the Kerala Jews observed mainstream religious law (halakhah) and had religious leaders they called hakhamim or rabbanim, though there is no record of anyone in Cochin undergoing traditional ordination or writing a responsum. Day-to-day halakhic decisions were made by these learned men. Occasionally they consulted with visiting scholars or even wrote for advice to rabbis in Jerusalem or Cairo.

Although Cochin Jewish internal social relationships were undoubtedly influenced by the caste system and Hindu social values, it should be emphasized that the Cochin Jews were not themselves divided into separate castes, and that all of them shared in a common culture.

There is ample evidence of social contacts among all the Jewish communities of Kerala--including business relationships, invitations to each other's lifecycle rituals, men studying Jewish texts together, women lending jewelry and exchanging songs, and the sharing of ordinary and ritual meals. As with Jews elsewhere, friendships between members of different communities were most common among people of the same class, education, and occupational standing.
Political and Economic Conditions

Portuguese colonial rule (1498-1663) brought suffering to all the minority communities of South India. The economic power of Muslims declined when the Portuguese ended their monopoly of trade between Malabar and the West. Syrian Christians were persecuted and killed by the Inquisition, which forced Roman Catholicism on many Kerala Christians.

The Cochin Maharaja protected Jews under his rule, but the Inquisition brought terror to Conversos ("New Christians") who fled to India in order to reclaim their Jewish identity. In 1663 the Dutch defeated the Portuguese, who set fire to the Paradesi synagogue and a number of Jewish houses just before they left Malabar.

Under Dutch rule (1663-1795) the status of the Jews of Malabar improved, as the Dutch looked favorably on the cosmopolitan Paradesi community. A few Paradesis, notably members of the Rahaby family, rose to high positions as agents in foreign trade and as economic and political advisors to both the Dutch and Hindu rulers. There were relatively wealthy landowners in a number of Jewish communities.

In the period of British colonial rule (1792-1947), the Cochin Maharaja retained a semi-independent status. However, in Kerala State there was general economic stagnation as the British developed new commercial centers to the north and east. Some Jews in Kerala held positions as clerks, teachers, and lawyers in the expanding colonial bureaucracy; others continued as small merchants, dealing especially in fish and poultry.

Economic difficulties led a number of Cochin Jews to move to Bombay and (less frequently) Calcutta. They nevertheless retained their Kerala identity, even while living elsewhere in India. Most of them married only Cochin Jews (though some Paradis is married Baghdadis); and when they moved to Israel they tended to settle among their relatives from Kerala.
Immigration to Israel

One of the most striking things about the Cochin Jews is the fact that they lived in India for so many centuries without experiencing anti-Semitism or persecution by their Indian neighbors. Their decision to leave for Israel after 1948 was not an easy one. It developed out of a long history of Zionist activity and idealism, as expressed in this early 20th-century Malayalam song composed by Isaac Mosheh Roby:

The hope we have had since ancient times,
To return to the land given to us by the one God,
Has not faded.

Individual motives for aliyah varied. Some were seeking to escape difficult economic conditions, while others emphasized the desire to live a more religious life, or to be involved in building the new Jewish state. None were forced to leave.

Cochin aliyah began in the early 1950s, with the greatest number of immigrants arriving in 1954. Many were settled on moshavim (cooperative agricultural settlements), of which five are still predominantly "Cochini" in population: Nevatim in the Negev; Mesillat Zion, Ta'oz, and Aviezer in the Jerusalem Corridor; and Kfar Yuval on the northern border with Lebanon.

By 1982 about 75% of the 2,300 Cochini moshav members lived in these five places. Initially the adjustment to agricultural life--which they had not experienced in India--was difficult for some of them. In time, however, they prospered, expanded their homes, and built substantial synagogues and community buildings.

Nevatim constructed its synagogue in the traditional Kerala style, incorporating the Torah ark and other furnishings brought from the Tekkumbagam synagogue in Ernakulam.

Most of the Cochin Paradesi Jews remained in India longer. In 1968 they celebrated the 400th anniversary of the building of their synagogue with a week-long series of cultural events. The festivities included performances of Kerala music, scholarly seminars, and a visit from Prime Minister Indira Gandhi.

Most members of this community made aliyah during the 1970s and 1980s. Now scattered throughout Israel, they number about 200 and often meet for ritual occasions in Binyamina and other places where there are Paradesi households.

Though exact figures are not available, it can be estimated that there are well over 4,000 "Cochinim" in Israel today, with at least as many living in urban areas as in moshavim. Cochini neighborhoods are found in Rishon LeZion, Ashdod, Beersheba, Jerusalem, and in Rekhasim and Kiryat Bialik in the Haifa area.

In some of these communities there are synagogues in which the traditional Cochin liturgy is still followed. City-dwellers often visit their moshav relatives, with a special emphasis on getting together for Simchat Torah and other holidays. In 1984, Moshav Nevatim hosted a grand celebration of the 30th anniversary of the Cochin aliyah, which was attended by Kerala Jews and other guests from all over the country.

Much of what has been written about the Kerala Jews focuses on their glorious 2000-year history in India, which is now coming to a close. That history is indeed a proud memory, but their culture did not end when the Jews left Kerala. In the words of Cochin author Ruby Daniel, "Some people write that the Cochin community of Jews is dying, They don't realize that a root from that tree is shooting up in Israel and starting to blossom, As long as we keep up some of our traditions, I hope that this community will never die."
Cochin Jews Of Kerala - My Jewish Learning
 
India is one of the few countries in world were Jews lived peacefully for centuries......................Israel was our friend even when we didn't had diplomatic relations..................
Check this from my Home State Kerala.........................

It may well be that the Cochin Jews have lived for two millennia on the fertile Malabar Coast of southwest India. This tropical area is now the modern Indian state of Kerala, named for the kera, or coconut palm tree, that is so basic to its landscape and economy. Though tradition has it that there were once many thousands of Jews in Malabar, no more than 2,500 were recorded in recent centuries, and only about 60 remain there today.
Early History

Varied traditions about the origin of the Cochin Jews appear in travelers' accounts and in Hebrew chronicles from Malabar, some written as early as the 17th century. Some records say the first Jews sailed to South India on the ships of King Solomon; others say they came during the Babylonian exile; others that they fled to Malabar after the destruction of the Second Temple; and others refer to a fourth-century migration from Majorca.
cochin jews of india
Most of these stories revolve around the existence of a Jewish community in the ancient trade center of Cranganore (which the Jews called Shingly), north of Cochin. One chronicle tells how a group of Jews descended from the Assyrian exile made their way to Calicut (further up the coast) by way of Yemen, and a Malayalam Jewish song suggests that the Jews of the ancient town of Palur may have come from Yemen.

The oldest documentary evidence of a Jewish community in Kerala dates from 1000 CE, when a Jewish leader named Joseph Rabban received a set of engraved copper plates from the Hindu ruler of Cranganore. These plates, which are still preserved in the Cochin Paradesi synagogue, list economic and ceremonial privileges including exemption from paying taxes, the right to collect tolls, and the honor of using particular lamps, umbrellas, drums, and trumpets associated with high ritual status. It is clear that by this time the Jews were firmly established in the area.

Jewish merchants known as Radanites began traveling by sea and land between the Mediterranean and China in the ninth century, stopping at ports along the Malabar coast. Commercial documents from the Cairo Genizah give glimpses of Jewish trade with India in the centuries that followed.

Before the Portuguese conquest in the 16th century, there were Jewish communities in a number of coastal towns, as well as in Cranganore. In 1341 a flood shifted the coastline, silting up Cranganore and opening a new harbor in Cochin, and the Jews began to leave their ancient home in Shingly.
Growth of the Kerala Community

Beginning in the early 16th century there was a new migration of Jews to Kerala. Some of the newcomers were Sephardic Jews, direct and indirect refugees from the Spanish and Portuguese expulsions, who came to India by way of Aleppo, Constantinople, and the Land of Israel. Others were from Iraq, Persia, Yemen, and Germany.

In 1568 the Jewish newcomers, who were subsequently called Paradesis ("foreigners" in Malayalam), built a synagogue of their own next to the Maharaja's palace in Cochin. They adopted the Malayalam language and identified enthusiastically with Kerala customs and traditions, but at some point they stopped marrying the Jews who had been there many centuries before them.

In written accounts (especially by Western visitors) the Paradesis often were referred to as "white Jews" and the more ancient Malabari communities as "black Jews," though there is not always a clear distinction between them in terms of skin color.

By the 18th century there were eight synagogues in five different Kerala towns and villages. As all but Parur were located within the kingdom of Cochin, the term "Cochin Jews" was eventually applied to all Kerala Jews.

Written sources indicate that the Kerala Jews observed mainstream religious law (halakhah) and had religious leaders they called hakhamim or rabbanim, though there is no record of anyone in Cochin undergoing traditional ordination or writing a responsum. Day-to-day halakhic decisions were made by these learned men. Occasionally they consulted with visiting scholars or even wrote for advice to rabbis in Jerusalem or Cairo.

Although Cochin Jewish internal social relationships were undoubtedly influenced by the caste system and Hindu social values, it should be emphasized that the Cochin Jews were not themselves divided into separate castes, and that all of them shared in a common culture.

There is ample evidence of social contacts among all the Jewish communities of Kerala--including business relationships, invitations to each other's lifecycle rituals, men studying Jewish texts together, women lending jewelry and exchanging songs, and the sharing of ordinary and ritual meals. As with Jews elsewhere, friendships between members of different communities were most common among people of the same class, education, and occupational standing.
Political and Economic Conditions

Portuguese colonial rule (1498-1663) brought suffering to all the minority communities of South India. The economic power of Muslims declined when the Portuguese ended their monopoly of trade between Malabar and the West. Syrian Christians were persecuted and killed by the Inquisition, which forced Roman Catholicism on many Kerala Christians.

The Cochin Maharaja protected Jews under his rule, but the Inquisition brought terror to Conversos ("New Christians") who fled to India in order to reclaim their Jewish identity. In 1663 the Dutch defeated the Portuguese, who set fire to the Paradesi synagogue and a number of Jewish houses just before they left Malabar.

Under Dutch rule (1663-1795) the status of the Jews of Malabar improved, as the Dutch looked favorably on the cosmopolitan Paradesi community. A few Paradesis, notably members of the Rahaby family, rose to high positions as agents in foreign trade and as economic and political advisors to both the Dutch and Hindu rulers. There were relatively wealthy landowners in a number of Jewish communities.

In the period of British colonial rule (1792-1947), the Cochin Maharaja retained a semi-independent status. However, in Kerala State there was general economic stagnation as the British developed new commercial centers to the north and east. Some Jews in Kerala held positions as clerks, teachers, and lawyers in the expanding colonial bureaucracy; others continued as small merchants, dealing especially in fish and poultry.

Economic difficulties led a number of Cochin Jews to move to Bombay and (less frequently) Calcutta. They nevertheless retained their Kerala identity, even while living elsewhere in India. Most of them married only Cochin Jews (though some Paradis is married Baghdadis); and when they moved to Israel they tended to settle among their relatives from Kerala.
Immigration to Israel

One of the most striking things about the Cochin Jews is the fact that they lived in India for so many centuries without experiencing anti-Semitism or persecution by their Indian neighbors. Their decision to leave for Israel after 1948 was not an easy one. It developed out of a long history of Zionist activity and idealism, as expressed in this early 20th-century Malayalam song composed by Isaac Mosheh Roby:

The hope we have had since ancient times,
To return to the land given to us by the one God,
Has not faded.

Individual motives for aliyah varied. Some were seeking to escape difficult economic conditions, while others emphasized the desire to live a more religious life, or to be involved in building the new Jewish state. None were forced to leave.

Cochin aliyah began in the early 1950s, with the greatest number of immigrants arriving in 1954. Many were settled on moshavim (cooperative agricultural settlements), of which five are still predominantly "Cochini" in population: Nevatim in the Negev; Mesillat Zion, Ta'oz, and Aviezer in the Jerusalem Corridor; and Kfar Yuval on the northern border with Lebanon.

By 1982 about 75% of the 2,300 Cochini moshav members lived in these five places. Initially the adjustment to agricultural life--which they had not experienced in India--was difficult for some of them. In time, however, they prospered, expanded their homes, and built substantial synagogues and community buildings.

Nevatim constructed its synagogue in the traditional Kerala style, incorporating the Torah ark and other furnishings brought from the Tekkumbagam synagogue in Ernakulam.

Most of the Cochin Paradesi Jews remained in India longer. In 1968 they celebrated the 400th anniversary of the building of their synagogue with a week-long series of cultural events. The festivities included performances of Kerala music, scholarly seminars, and a visit from Prime Minister Indira Gandhi.

Most members of this community made aliyah during the 1970s and 1980s. Now scattered throughout Israel, they number about 200 and often meet for ritual occasions in Binyamina and other places where there are Paradesi households.

Though exact figures are not available, it can be estimated that there are well over 4,000 "Cochinim" in Israel today, with at least as many living in urban areas as in moshavim. Cochini neighborhoods are found in Rishon LeZion, Ashdod, Beersheba, Jerusalem, and in Rekhasim and Kiryat Bialik in the Haifa area.

In some of these communities there are synagogues in which the traditional Cochin liturgy is still followed. City-dwellers often visit their moshav relatives, with a special emphasis on getting together for Simchat Torah and other holidays. In 1984, Moshav Nevatim hosted a grand celebration of the 30th anniversary of the Cochin aliyah, which was attended by Kerala Jews and other guests from all over the country.

Much of what has been written about the Kerala Jews focuses on their glorious 2000-year history in India, which is now coming to a close. That history is indeed a proud memory, but their culture did not end when the Jews left Kerala. In the words of Cochin author Ruby Daniel, "Some people write that the Cochin community of Jews is dying, They don't realize that a root from that tree is shooting up in Israel and starting to blossom, As long as we keep up some of our traditions, I hope that this community will never die."
Cochin Jews Of Kerala - My Jewish Learning

India has been more influenced by muslims/ Arabs and they brought over their civilization to the Indian subcontinent.

If anything India should be looking up to and learning from Arabs
 
So ripped off in two parts is nothing then carry on with your delusional world

You can also claim ripping us 'away' in 1947 but when you have continued to lose despite the adversary being much smaller, your claim can only be considered ridiculous!

And nothing on the a** ra**** of 1962? Or is the memory too painful?

WOW! And you're a moderator!

Both occupy Muslim lands? lool I don't have much knowledge about Abrahmic religions but didn't Bible and Quran say that God has promised that land to Jews?

And I would really like to know how is India occupying Muslim land? It would be really funny if you say Kashmir.

Waiting for you reply mate :)

Where did you learn that Bible or Quran say anything about that land to Jews?
 
Panic comes before when someone goes into a survival mode [Human nature]. Disappearing from the ISI once they have you under the scope is not the easiest deal in town.

Please care to refute my argument by providing yours.

He was an Israeli.

"Kill the chicken to scare the monkey": Chinese proverb
Shabak (Israel Security Agency): successfully prevents all suicide attacks since 2007, but did not capture a single Pakistani agent.
ISI: successfully captures secret Mossad agents but...

The,purpose of publishing the news of such arrests is deliberate and is done for a reason. Its like poring a tank of, water in a rat hole, once such news are published the other "suspected" under surveillance operatives get out of the hole in panic & are nabbed.
There is ONE particular religious group in Pakistan which is known to have,Pakistani nationals [Dual] serving in the Israeli Forces and they also have a "faith center" built in Haifa.
Many Muslims serve in Israel Defense Forces:

Arabs for Israel - Muslims for Israel. Muslims in the Israeli Army - SEE MY OTHER VIDEOS - YouTube
 
India has been more influenced by muslims/ Arabs and they brought over their civilization to the Indian subcontinent.

If anything India should be looking up to and learning from Arabs

Pray Tell me what ??

India and people of Indian origin have more Nobel Prize winners( Leaving Peace and Literature categories) Than Arab countries combined .:rofl: Plus Whole of Arab world just have one Science Nobel . Please you learn from them . We are much better without them.
 
Shabak (Israel Security Agency): successfully prevents all suicide attacks since 2007, but did not capture a single Pakistani agent.
ISI: successfully captures secret Mossad agents but...

As i said, he is hardly an agent [Assuming you know how it works], but a low level informant.



We are not concerned with Muslims but Pakistani nationals [Dual] serving in Israeli forces.
 
Difference is Pakistan suffered at the fangs of the snake it bred..while Israel and India due to others.

Pakistan is suffering from the fangs of snake created by American Invasion in afghanistan.

Israeli Agents posing as CIA Agent helped Jundullah in recruitng it's manpower. And that was done in Balochistan, Pakistan.
 
Yea, talking with you makes me feel better.. Self confidence improved a lot...

:lol:How lovely
When u insult someone they feel better n their ''self confidence improves a lot'':lol:

Only an indian can think that way.:rofl:
 
So basically nothing, right?

Capturing 13000km sq of west pakistani land during war showed the ability..Returning the land after pakistan surrendered unconditionally demonstrated that it was not aim to capture pakistani land,unlike pakistan who had launched every war to capture indian controlled territory and ended up losing land/gaining nothing/defending their own cities.
 
Capturing 13000km sq of west pakistani land during war showed the ability..Returning the land after pakistan surrendered unconditionally demonstrated that it was not aim to capture pakistani land,unlike pakistan who had launched every war to capture indian controlled territory and ended up losing land/gaining nothing/defending their own cities.

I personally thought your claim was of breaking Pakistan in half which would have meant a much larger, Indian administered Bangladesh....right? WTF is that? Why has India no control over her so called 1971 achievement? Unless, India played second fiddle to the internal freedom struggle and merely played a catalyst's role.

However, multiple incidents since then have proved beyond doubt how macho the Indian nation really is. I mean we have tried to capture IOK on a couple of occasions right? India has never even attempted to do so, not even when given the excuse say in 1965, then in Kargil and again in the 'alleged' attack on the Indian Parliament. Not even the guts to cross even a single inch of LoC after bringing in almost a million troops to our border in 2001/02. In which world would have India dreamt of being able to play the part in did in 1971 had Bangladesh been physically linked to Pakistan or even if there was no internal turmoil? India accomplished nothing that we would not have accomplished on our own anyway in Bangladesh!
 
I personally thought your claim was of breaking Pakistan in half which would have meant a much larger, Indian administered Bangladesh....right? WTF is that? Why has India no control over her so called 1971 achievement? Unless, India played second fiddle to the internal freedom struggle and merely played a catalyst's role.
Administering bangladedh or adding that to india was never our claim nor intention..Our objective was to break pakistan to half,which we achieved by military action and arming mukti bahinis..Bangladesh freedom would not have happened without indian military action..
My comment about capturing 13000km sq of pakistan was in response to your bogus claim of india being incapable of capturing a single piece of pakistani land..

However, multiple incidents since then have proved beyond doubt how macho the Indian nation really is. I mean we have tried to capture IOK on a couple of occasions right? India has never even attempted to do so, not even when given the excuse say in 1965, then in Kargil and again in the 'alleged' attack on the Indian Parliament.
We do not believe in solving the issues by war..The only ones who favors war are the religious idiots who considers themselves some sort of sacrificial animals and war and martyrdom a path to god..You can indulge in such arguments(who is more macho..etc) with your TTP and AL-QUida cousins..We fought pakistan only when it is absolutely necessary.But whenever we had to,we had achieved our objectives and stopped pakistan from achieving it-Be it 65,71 or kargil..
 
Administering bangladedh or adding that to india was never our claim nor intention..Our objective was to break pakistan to half,which we achieved by military action and arming mukti bahinis..Bangladesh freedom would not have happened without indian military action..
My comment about capturing 13000km sq of pakistan was in response to your bogus claim of india being incapable of capturing a single piece of pakistani land..

So you say, but you were also very impressed by the very motivated Bengali population which would have turned the tables on you in a split second had you even suggested the idea of holding on to land. A two pronged war with a truly hostile, motivated and united Bengali population on 1 side and a very angry Pakistan on the other side would have not been very wise for India.

You were smart, you returned what you knew may end up hurting you a lot more then any benefit out of the small piece of land.



We do not believe in solving the issues by war..The only ones who favors war are the religious idiots who considers themselves some sort of sacrificial animals and war and martyrdom a path to god..You can indulge in such arguments(who is more macho..etc) with your TTP and AL-QUida cousins..We fought pakistan only when it is absolutely necessary.But whenever we had to,we had achieved our objectives and stopped pakistan from achieving it-Be it 65,71 or kargil..

If that is indeed the case, why did you amass almost a million soldiers at our border? And more interestingly, why did you withdraw unilaterally and unconditionally? Also, what happened to the macho remarks of surgical strikes by IAF etc.??
 
So you say, but you were also very impressed by the very motivated Bengali population which would have turned the tables on you in a split second had you even suggested the idea of holding on to land. A two pronged war with a truly hostile, motivated and united Bengali population on 1 side and a very angry Pakistan on the other side would have not been very wise for India.

You were smart, you returned what you knew may end up hurting you a lot more then any benefit out of the small piece of land.
That is only your speculation to save face from humiliating surrender of 90000 soldiers..Capturing Bangladesh was never a plan by india,we promised mukti bahini their freedom when we trained them.Our objective was achieved by humiliating surrender of pakistan and breaking it up...Even we returned 13000 km sq of macho west pakistani land that we captured,clearly showing that capturing land was not our aim..





If that is indeed the case, why did you amass almost a million soldiers at our border? And more interestingly, why did you withdraw unilaterally and unconditionally? Also, what happened to the macho remarks of surgical strikes by IAF etc.??

Like I said,we see war as a final option after every other options have exhausted..Not for the kicks of it or out of eagerness to become martyrs..That is the realm of you guys and all your terrorist organisations.
 
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