That is just your attempt to find solace in shameful surrender..Yes there were many things that favored us,but that does not change the fact that Indian involvement was decisive and pakistani army surrendered unconditionally to Indian forces.Its funny to see you people say Indian role was minimal when the surrender document itself is:
Indian involvement was a mere catalyst and would have been of no consequence had Bangladesh not fought for independence. In which world could any India have liberated Bangladesh had it been against the intentions of the Bengali nation?? Matter of fact, the surrender of Army units deployed in Bangladesh were literally to ensure their safety as otherwise they simply would have been overrun and executed by the MB + millions of Bengalis. India was the least of our concerns and the concern would have been just as inconsequential as it was in 2001/02 and later!!!
And I have to correct you on another point, you did not have "many" things that favored you, you had everything that favored you.....amongst them the most important thing was the Bengali separatist struggle and blunders on our side as well as the fact that we were physically at either ends of India!
And you want to know what shameful really is? Go read up on the 1962 Indo-China war! Where you had no excuse!!
Whatever involvement pak military covertly had in soviet war,is not at all conclusive of the claims like "Pakistan played biggest role" or "Pakistan defeated soviets" etc..In the link provided,the pakistani author proudly claims pakistani tanks,aicrafts etc faught soviets in afghanistan,which is a blatant lie..
Blatant lies
. got it!
Unfortunately, I cannot waste my time on someone who will ignore all proof as its in his nature, in his brought up.
So one mega blunder committed by pakistan ie failure to secure support of kashmiri populace before crossing LOC automatically turns a defeat in normal sense,Failure to achieve objective,to an achievement..Ayyub khan made idiotic assessments like "Hindu morale would not stand more than a couple of hard blows at the right time and place" before operation "grand slam",and when it failed,it wasn't less of a failure because he was a dumb religious bigot.
Did I ever claim that we won? I said holding a much larger and stronger military power to a CF that was more in India's favor was an achievement after our primary objective failed which was to secure support in Kashmir. From that point on, we were in a severely discouraging position. India failed in her objectives too after being beaten back in Kashmir they tried to take Lahore and they failed!
..And regarding indian army running low on ammo,so were you,with more than half of armor lost..Remember that Indian military was opposing ceasefire and blaming govt for bowing down to international pressure,while it was your military regime that agreed to ceasefire.And ceasefire came to existence after both parties agreed to it.
It wasn't the Army chief of Pakistan that was begging his Government to stop the war as he had exhausted over 80% of his ammo and supplies; it was the Indian Army Chief!! When CF was imposed on us we had achieved our objective of holding you down and bleeding you, we were in a position to press home the advantage and could have marched into India itself in a couple of days. And India was the more eager party for the CF which proves how precarious their position really was. I mean, can you even imagine how India would have managed to continue fighting without ammo??
Pakistan had superiority in number and quality of tanks among many other advantages.
Not really, that's just a myth as stands proven with the test of battle.
Pakistani challenge to neutral arbitration was only regarding Airforce losses..I can only laugh at your argument that there wont be neutral observation without neutral arbitration-..There will be neutral sources and neutral openion based on obvious results of war like pakistani failure to achieve objectives and pakistan losing more lands to indians..
Take this from US library of congress for eg:
Or from Stanley Wolpert
These type of assessments are based on obvious and verifiable observations,not on neutral arbitration of aircraft losses.
One can only but wonder how any neutral assessment can be done without neutral observers on the ground, Indian refusal for neutral arbitration is prove how badly they were mauled, they losses they incurred were fabricated on the Pakistani side to save Indian Military from further humiliation. Also to note the fact that the US sanctions on Pakistan immediately after the outbreak of war soured the relations b/w Pakistan and USA and so they had to rely on information from the Indian side.
And if you couldn't even claim back your own occupied land from the Pakistani Army, how can I not consider it an achievement? Your Military was 3 times larger and a even more equipped numerically. Yet you had to accept a stalemate, a CF.....that must have been seriously embarrassing, atleast for those who have pride and shame.
We supported MB to save bangladeshis from brutal massacres that was being committed,we were flooded by tens of millions of refugees.You have been supporting,training and arming Kashmiri terrorists..Your former intelligence chief had publicly louded "bleeding india with thousand cuts"..So dont be surprised when peace loving indians return the favor in the same manner..
As for the terrorism and backstabbing,current pres of pakistan and the former one have publicly admitted pakistan supporting anti india militants..Your blaming of BJP and RSS for backstabbing pakistan is laughable at best..
We hold the largest number of refugees in the world, from Afghanistan yet we never stopped helping them, you had Pakistani refugees (they were not Bangladeshi then) and you should have supported Pakistan or should have let Pakistan solve its internal crisis. You started it, we picked it up in Kashmir but stopped to sincerely bring peace and then you backstabbed us again!!
All those attacks in India that your interior and foreign ministries have exposed on BJP & RSS were blamed on Pakistan without a single shred of evidence and Pakistan branded a terrorist state by Indian media, politicians and Governments throughout the world. It's time we learned that you are a snake that will bite at every opportunity.
