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Indian Army played a greater role than Mukti Bahini,In securing the pak surrender..And ultimately our objectives are met..And regarding Azad kashmir,as i said earlier,we dont believe in solving the issues by war..And we are happy with status quo.

Lets get some MB guys in here and they can clear your misconception. You are not happy with the status quo either, you just know that you cannot take AK from us by force hence your calmness. Had AK been on Bangladesh side, you would have taken it in 1971.



I am not denying the role played by pakistan as a middle man for their masters..But the facts remain that it was not the valor or fighting skills of Pak army that caused soviet retreat.But the money and weapons of USA and fierce fighting by the afghans..So much for macho pakistanis defeating soviets..

You have no idea of how many operations and battles included regular PakMil soldiers but you want to argue. It is typical. It was our resolve more then anybody's elses that defeated the SU, we were recruiting fighters, we were training and arming them, we were fighting alongside them and we finally defeated and disintegrated the super power.



The instument of Accession-exists to this day..
1965 war:It was a humiliating defeat to us because we didn't cross LOC???Wtf is this thinking..?You started the war to capture Kashmir and not us,and ended up defending lahore...Even at the time of ceasefire India had captured more than 700km of pakistani land as oppossed to about 220 km captured by pak..And you call that humiliating defeat for india because india didn't cross LOC!!!

No it does not!!

The so called document that you call in instrument of succession is a farce. Have a read of what Alistair Lamb says about it.

And let me try and explain it again, in 1965 you got such a beating that you could not dare cross the border in 2001/02 or after Parliment attacks. And yes we did end up defending Lahore in 1965 because we crossed only the LoC and were expecting to restrict the battle to Kashmir so as to resolve the dispute, by taking it ofcourse. You expanded the war when you crossed over the international border, that was a severe violation. And I call it a humiliating defeat for India because India was the more eager party so much so that you signed the ceasefire a day earlier than we did! Not only that your Prime Minister could not sustain the reality and suffered a fatal heart failure!!!
 
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According to this news our secret agencies have arrested agent of Israel although he is Pakistani but was working for Israel expert in information technology and was working for Israel and is involved in murder of some security forces and also some links to Kamra base attack

Israeli agent's arrest is not printed in three line news with no name, no reference of arresting authority/person, no verification possible.
 
Correction:
Muslim is not a nationhood!
Yes Muslims are part of Ummah and we have to take on the forces of kufr because we have one common enemy that is all forces of kufr and these days they are attacking Muslims just like HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW said one day will come when nations will attack you just like some one invite each other for dinar
 
The funny thing is that the Pakistanis babbling about "due process" here are the exact same Pakistanis who foam at the mouth about bearded jihadis and applaud the drone strikes killing Pakistani civilians.
Sir even few Pakistani posters here on PDF are supporting Drone strikes. They are actually justifying it. You are right about this hypocrisy.
 
Yes Muslims are part of Ummah and we have to take on the forces of kufr because we have one common enemy that is all forces of kufr and these days they are attacking Muslims just like HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW said one day will come when nations will attack you just like some one invite each other for dinar

the koran clearly calls muslims an ummah .....
 
Lets get some MB guys in here and they can clear your misconception. You are not happy with the status quo either, you just know that you cannot take AK from us by force hence your calmness. Had AK been on Bangladesh side, you would have taken it in 1971.

Indian army played major role in defeating pak army from battle to battle,not Mukti bahini...They did augment us though...And regarding our supposed inability to take back kashmir,we retuning 13000 km sq of land which we captured in 71 have clearly demonstrated our ability to capture land from the macho pakistanis and our resolve not to settle things that way...More over,there were a period of about 2 decades where we had nukes and pakistan didn't..We could have ignited a war and turned pakistan to radio active wasteland without any fear of similar retaliation..But thats not the way we settle issues.



You have no idea of how many operations and battles included regular PakMil soldiers but you want to argue. It is typical. It was our resolve more then anybody's elses that defeated the SU, we were recruiting fighters, we were training and arming them, we were fighting alongside them and we finally defeated and disintegrated the super power.
I dont think anybody else in the world agree with these type of jingoistic claims..Pakistan did play a faithful role to their masters..But it was actually the fighting of afghans and the money and weapons by americans and their allies that won the war.The involvement of pak soldiers/AF was very minimal in the whole course of war,as oppossed to decisive role by indian military in 71.





And let me try and explain it again, in 1965 you got such a beating that you could not dare cross the border in 2001/02 or after Parliment attacks. And yes we did end up defending Lahore in 1965 because we crossed only the LoC and were expecting to restrict the battle to Kashmir so as to resolve the dispute, by taking it ofcourse. You expanded the war when you crossed over the international border, that was a severe violation. And I call it a humiliating defeat for India because India was the more eager party so much so that you signed the ceasefire a day earlier than we did! Not only that your Prime Minister could not sustain the reality and suffered a fatal heart failure!!!
Ceasefire was made after two parties agreeing to it..It doesn't matter who signed first..But then pakistan was the ones who started the war and sacrifices lives of 3800 soldiers..Agreeing to ceasefire without any gaining any objective for which it started the damn war is more humiliating to pakistan than to india who just wanted status quo to continue..

Here are some neutral assessments from wikipedia with valid sources;
There have been several neutral assessments of the losses incurred by both India and Pakistan during the war. Most of these assessments agree that India had the upper hand over Pakistan when ceasefire was declared. Some of the neutral assessments are mentioned below —

According to the Library of Congress Country Studies conducted by the Federal Research Division of the United States[76] –

The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.

TIME magazine reported that India held 690 mi2 of Pakistan territory while Pakistan held 250 mi2 of Indian territory in Kashmir and Rajasthan. Additionally, Pakistan had lost almost half its armour temporarily.[77] The article further elaborates,

Severely mauled by the larger Indian armed forces, Pakistan could continue the fight only by teaming up with Red China and turning its back on the U.N.

Devin T. Hagerty wrote in his book "South Asia in world politics"[78] –

The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.

In his book "National identity and geopolitical visions",[79] Gertjan Dijkink writes –

The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory had external pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts.

An excerpt from Stanley Wolpert's India,[80] summarizing the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965,

In three weeks the second Indo-Pak War ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on U.S. ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the cease-fire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to Ayub's chagrin.

In his book titled The greater game: India's race with destiny and China, David Van Praagh wrote[7] –

India won the war. It gained 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2 (180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2 (150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 km2 (210 sq mi) of Indian territory: 490 km2 (190 sq mi) in the Chhamb sector and 50 km2 (19 sq mi) around Khem Karan.

Dennis Kux's "India and the United States estranged democracies" also provides a summary of the war,[81]

Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated.

BBC reported that the war served game changer in Pakistani politics,[82]

The defeat in the 1965 war led to the army's invincibility being challenged by an increasingly vocal opposition. This became a surge after his protege, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, deserted him and established the Pakistan People's Party.

"A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[8] –

India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own.

An excerpt from William M. Carpenter and David G. Wiencek's "Asian security handbook: terrorism and the new security environment"[83] –

A brief but furious 1965 war with India began with a covert Pakistani thrust across the Kashmiri cease-fire line and ended up with the city of Lahore threatened with encirclement by Indian Army. Another UN-sponsored cease-fire left borders unchanged, but Pakistan's vulnerability had again been exposed.

English historian John Keay's "India: A History" provides a summary of the 1965 war[84] –

The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate.

Uk Heo and Shale Asher Horowitz write in their book "Conflict in Asia: Korea, China-Taiwan, and India-Pakistan"[85] –

Again India appeared, logistically at least, to be in a superior position but neither side was able to mobilize enough strength to gain a decisive victory.

Newsweek magazine, however, praised the Pakistani military's ability to hold of the much larger Indian Army.[86]

By just the end of the week, in fact, it was clear that the Pakistanis were more than holding their own.

The Israelis rarely acknowledge their assassinations. Let the victim and the world keep guessing...

Neither pakistani govt nor mainstream pakistani media is reporting/commenting this.They are all involved in the conspiracy right..?
 
Indian army played major role in defeating pak army from battle to battle,not Mukti bahini...They did augment us though...And regarding our supposed inability to take back kashmir,we retuning 13000 km sq of land which we captured in 71 have clearly demonstrated our ability to capture land from the macho pakistanis and our resolve not to settle things that way...More over,there were a period of about 2 decades where we had nukes and pakistan didn't..We could have ignited a war and turned pakistan to radio active wasteland without any fear of similar retaliation..But thats not the way we settle issues.

Indian Army played a role alright but the major role was that of Mukti Bahini. They were the real threat both externally and within the Armed Forces, so much so that PAF grounded all her Bengali pilots which included aces such as M. M. Alam!! Mukti Bahini and ofcourse the rebels caused real havoc which was out of control of the Military + Police ever since Mujeeb had demanded freedom. Your undermining the role of MB is nothing but a cheap trick. In what dreams could India ever defeat a Pakistan, it was a mere 50k soldiers that were fighting millions of rebels which included trained MB as well as the IA! Could you have dreamt of defeating Pakistan, the real Pakistan?? All you did in 1971 was stab us after ceasefire and peace accord of 1965 just when we needed international support the most. As I said, vultures!

And Pakistans Nuclear program dates back to the early 1950's and after the war of 71 Pakistan began a Nuclear Weapons program as well. Infact, Pakistan had assurances of Nuclear support if ever needed so much so that Ayub Khan declined Bhutto's plan of a Nuclear Weapons path in 1965. By the early 80's we had deliverable Nuclear warheads of our own so there never existed any real threat at all.



I dont think anybody else in the world agree with these type of jingoistic claims..Pakistan did play a faithful role to their masters..But it was actually the fighting of afghans and the money and weapons by americans and their allies that won the war.The involvement of pak soldiers/AF was very minimal in the whole course of war,as oppossed to decisive role by indian military in 71.

Well, the world bears witness to the role Pakistan played directly and indirectly in the Soviet defeat so it does not matter what some Indian says. We defeated a super power, you helped a nation overcome a mere 50k soldiers........there is no comparison at all.



Ceasefire was made after two parties agreeing to it..It doesn't matter who signed first..But then pakistan was the ones who started the war and sacrifices lives of 3800 soldiers..Agreeing to ceasefire without any gaining any objective for which it started the damn war is more humiliating to pakistan than to india who just wanted status quo to continue..

Pakistan could not achieve her political/Military aims as support in Kashmir was surprisingly absent for some reason. They hated you, didn't trust us so not much we could do. However, to bring a 7x more powerful enemy to a mutual CF, more the need of the bigger party, is quite an achievement in itself. And your army had exhausted almost 80% of their ammo, they just could not continue to fight on and that is why you were so desperate, another 5 days and we would have been able to march in to India!!!



Here are some neutral assessments from wikipedia with valid sources;

Yeah, wikipedia is home to valid sources all right!! Mate, ground realities may not speak louder than the Billion+ Indians but they do speak. The fact that India had exhausted her ammo, the fact that 1/3rd IAF was destroyed, the fact that all Indian advances were blunt and repulsed, the fact that India was more eager to sigh the CF, the fact that Indian Prime Minister suffered a fatal heart attack and so on.
 
dont feed these desperate trolls Maverick bhai, be the BIGGER man.


dreamers will always be dreamers
 

Beside daily so many rapes killing newly born baby girls infanticide
Indians to beware of Saffron terrorism in future if u want to live in peace inside india kill them or quit them else get prepare for the worst
RAW IB NCA CID GOT recently reported they have 100%reports that RSS, BJP & BJP president Nitin Gadkari camps are promoting Hindu terror in the country and outside too which is very dangerous.”RSS was behind Samjhauta, Makkah Masjid and Malegaon blasts Loc problems. BJP and RSS conduct terror training camps to spread terrorism; Bombs were planted in Samjhauta Express and Makkah Masjid and also a blast was carried out in Malegaon.” Considering this a serious security threat, “We will have to think about it seriously and will have to remain alert.”On one hand we are trying to bring peace in this country. We should also take very serious steps to save india against injustice to minorities as also against infiltration. But, in the midst of all this, we have got an investigation report that be it the RSS or BJP, their training camps are promoting Hindu terrorism. We are keeping a strict vigil on all this,”
Those of you who think that pakistani are all Satans and Indians are all Angels are living in a Fool's paradise. Terrorism is supported by agencies and military in both countries. Terrorists are and have been supported inside Pakistan by India for decades .There were vast areas in the province of Sindh in Pakistan during the 80's where Pakistani currency was not accepted and people only did business with Indian currency. The "Jeay Sindh" separatist movement was so anti-Pakistan that any house waving Pakistani flag was burnt down and anyone speaking Urdu or Punjabi in those areas was killed. That movement was well supported by Indian intelligence. Right now their are separatists in Balochistan trained and armed by RAW with the support of MOSSAD. Before India got inside Afghanistan there was no TTP ( the Pakistani Taliban ). TTP has done nothing but attack on civilians and military installations inside KPK-BALOCHISTAN-SIND all over Pakistan.
 
Neither pakistani govt nor mainstream pakistani media is reporting/commenting this.They are all involved in the conspiracy right..?

Yeah sure. Whenever Pakistan does something it's a conspiracy. When Israel or the US do it, it's an achievement.
 
Indian Army played a role alright but the major role was that of Mukti Bahini. They were the real threat both externally and within the Armed Forces, so much so that PAF grounded all her Bengali pilots which included aces such as M. M. Alam!! Mukti Bahini and ofcourse the rebels caused real havoc which was out of control of the Military + Police ever since Mujeeb had demanded freedom. Your undermining the role of MB is nothing but a cheap trick. In what dreams could India ever defeat a Pakistan, it was a mere 50k soldiers that were fighting millions of rebels which included trained MB as well as the IA! Could you have dreamt of defeating Pakistan, the real Pakistan?? All you did in 1971 was stab us after ceasefire and peace accord of 1965 just when we needed international support the most. As I said, vultures!

Mukti bahini did play a role...But it was the indian army that defeated pak army units in battle after battle...
Here is the surrender document of macho pakistanis..
pakistan-surrender.jpg



And Pakistans Nuclear program dates back to the early 1950's and after the war of 71 Pakistan began a Nuclear Weapons program as well. Infact, Pakistan had assurances of Nuclear support if ever needed so much so that Ayub Khan declined Bhutto's plan of a Nuclear Weapons path in 1965. By the early 80's we had deliverable Nuclear warheads of our own so there never existed any real threat at all.
Yeah sure...That was why the famous comment of "eating grass to make nukes" made by Pakistani PM after india tested her nukes..


Well, the world bears witness to the role Pakistan played directly and indirectly in the Soviet defeat so it does not matter what some Indian says. We defeated a super power, you helped a nation overcome a mere 50k soldiers........there is no comparison at all.
The world bears witness to the service done by pakistan to the US masters..The real credit of afghan war goes to brave afghanis who faught and Americans who funded and armed them via their lapdogs and puppets..



Pakistan could not achieve her political/Military aims as support in Kashmir was surprisingly absent for some reason. They hated you, didn't trust us so not much we could do. However, to bring a 7x more powerful enemy to a mutual CF, more the need of the bigger party, is quite an achievement in itself. And your army had exhausted almost 80% of their ammo, they just could not continue to fight on and that is why you were so desperate, another 5 days and we would have been able to march in to India!!!
WTF...You attack someone to capture a land,fail to achieve the objectives,end up defending homeland..And then agree to ceasefire and claim that it was victory because enemy the enemy was bigger..It couldn't get any dumber than that..



Yeah, wikipedia is home to valid sources all right!! Mate, ground realities may not speak louder than the Billion+ Indians but they do speak. The fact that India had exhausted her ammo, the fact that 1/3rd IAF was destroyed, the fact that all Indian advances were blunt and repulsed, the fact that India was more eager to sigh the CF, the fact that Indian Prime Minister suffered a fatal heart attack and so on.
Every single quote in what i posted is backed by valid sources...But you chose to escape by blaming wikipedia..Typical denialistanis...The fact is that victory or defeat in war is based on achievement of ojectives,loss of land etc,not in the intend to restore peace..In that aspect,Pakistan not only failed to achieve objectives but also had lost 700+ km sq of land to india before cease fire..Even sane pakistanis agree..
 
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Correction: the hardcore Islamophobes around the world see all Muslims as one group. They don't distinguish between the "good guys" and the "bad guys".

How many times have you heard the phrase "Muslims do this", "Muslims do that", "Muslims must do this", "Muslims must do that", "Muslims can't integrate", "Muslims are not doing enough"?

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...formant-arrested-lahore-16.html#ixzz2IhFs6UOn


Ummah did issue fatwa on International level against the murtad Rushdie.
But failed to do the same when it came to a world renowned terrorist Osama.
Thats the reason for above, because non muslims are catching up on Al Taqiya.
 
Yeah sure. Whenever Pakistan does something it's a conspiracy. When Israel or the US do it, it's an achievement.
When some obscure urdu media reports arresting of a supposed israeli agent involved in kamra attack,and mainstream pakistani media and pakistani govt does not report that or comment on it,it could be easily guessed as a fake...But lets continue to act like this incident did happen so that conspiracy theorists get something to base their grand conspiracies involving CIA,MOSSAD,RAW,KFC etc on..
 
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