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Sukhois crash India's defense
Tag it:Written by Siddharth Srivastava
Wednesday, 16 December 2009


It has been one of the worst years ever for India's Air Force, with 13 crashes in 2009 that have taken some 25 lives. But two particularly stand out – the loss of two fast, deadly Russian-built Sukhoi SU-30 MKI jet fighters, which can fly 3,200 km at cruising speed carrying eight tons of armaments, with the ability to strike deep into China if necessary.

The crashes, which have resulted in the grounding of India's entire 105-plane Sukhoi fleet, have raised questions about India's air strike capabilities, given the existing arsenals held by India's often hostile neighbors, Pakistan and China. The first occurred in April, killing Wing Commander PS Narah and injuring Wing Commander SV Munje. In the second, late last month, on a routine training sortie southwest of the Pokharan firing ranges, the two pilots, Wing Commander Srivastava and Flight Lieutenant Arora, bailed out to safety.

Officials say the first crash was due to a defect in the computerized flight control system, while the latter one was laid to fire in the aircraft engine. As a result, the grounding of the fleet deals yet another blow to the already flailing Indo-Russian defense relationship.

Ominously as well, the accidents are regarded as a setback to India's air security, as the powerful long-range aircraft have been deployed for combat from any part of the country in a matter of hours. They currently are predominantly stationed along India's western peninsular areas bordering Pakistan to protect the industrial states Maharashtra and Gujarat. However, given recent border tensions with China over territorial rights over the northeastern state of Arunachal Pradesh, Sukhois have been deployed in adjoining Assam for quicker access to China as well.

India has five Sukhoi squadrons bought from Russia in three separate transactions worth US$8.5 billion and aims to ultimately be able to field 280 such fighters, worth US$45 million per copy. The domestic company Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd is expected to manufacture 140 under license by 2015.

However, the latest events raise new doubts about Russia's ability to service the Sukhois and supply spare parts, which has bedeviled India's MIG aircraft fleet as well, which long formed the backbone of India's air strike force. However, technical snags, shoddy servicing and non-availability of spares resulted in many MIGs going down, killing pilots and damaging India's air force capabilities.

In a statement in October, the Indian defense ministry said: "the (Sukhoi) aircraft are due for overhaul shortly."Now questions are being asked whether the Sukhois are going the way of the MIGs, raising doubts as well about the efficacy of India's massive defense modernization efforts.

Pakistan, a former Cold War ally of America and now partner in its war against terror, has meanwhile continued to receive military aid that has included state-of-the art F16 fighters. Pakistan is also assisted by China, whose military prowess is far ahead of India's. Pakistan is the immediate focus of India's military upgrade as evidenced by the recent successful test firing of two nuclear-capable short-range Prithvi missiles in quick succession for the first time. The Prithvi missiles are aimed at targets in Pakistan.

In response to perceived threats from its neighbors following the Mumbai terror attacks by a team of Pakistani militants last November that took 195 lives, India escalated its defense budget (2009-10) by 34 percent in the last year to US$30 billion, while defense modernization expenditures should scale over US$100 billion over the next decade.

India is in the process of building a fighter jet fleet that will comprise the multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA) that will replace the long-obsolete, crash-prone MiG-21 interceptors and fit between the more powerful Sukhoi-30s and the low-end indigenous Tejas LCA lightweight fighters. The Defense Ministry is also looking at a variety of helicopters, radars and long-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft to secure its air defense preparedness.

Six global aerospace companies, Lockheed Martin, Boeing (American), Dassault's Rafale (French), Gripen (Sweden), MiG (Russian) and Eurofighter Typhoon (a consortium of British, German, Italian and Spanish companies), are bidding for the big US$12 billion deal to supply 126 MRCA jets.

Shift away from Russia

The latest episodes add to the diminishing role of Russia as India's chief defense supplier, built when the two countries were allies in the Socialist bloc. India has already suffered severe delays in delivery of the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov and at least two nuclear powered submarines from Russia. All of these mean New Delhi has been making a definitive turn away from Russia to other countries such as Israel and America to procure arms, apart from partners France and UK.

Ties between India and America have deepened with a strategic shift in the relations between the two countries over the last couple of years that also resulted in the signing of the landmark civilian nuclear pact.

The US has been promoting India as a regional counterweight to China as well as tapping new business opportunities for the US's massive defense establishment. Recent American acquisitions by India include, Airborne Early Warning Air Craft, Hawkeye E-2D, developed by Northrop Grumman, and six P-8I Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance aircraft for US$2 billion from Boeing to replace India's ageing TU-142s.

US firms are top contenders of the MRCA deal as well. Even as America emerges as India's new defense partner Israel has become India's biggest supplier of arms (overtaking Russia) accounting for 30 percent of imports.

India and Israel have finalized deals for the Barak-8 Naval air-defense system, and the Spyder surface-air-missile system. India also launched an Israeli-made spy satellite from Sriharikota in April 2009 for round the clock surveillance, helping to monitor India's international borders and to anticipate any troop build-up or infiltration attempts by armed groups and track incoming ballistic missiles.

Israel has also supplied India aerostat radar facilities to seek to spot surreptitious guerilla activity, such as Mumbai where the terrorists employed dinghy boats to infiltrate the city. Meanwhile, delivery of the Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd developed Phalcon Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACS) mounted on Russian-delivered Ilyushin-76 aircraft, have begun. The Phalcon will boost surveillance capabilities.

The vast amounts of money to be spent over the decade have raised fears that the country's corruption ridden military procurement system will be subject to additional scandals. Already, in June of 2008, the chairman of the state-controlled Ordnance Factory Board was arrested and seven major domestic and international companies, including ones from Singapore, Poland and Israel, were permanently banned from doing business with the Indian ministry of defense.

Siddharth Srivastava is a New Delhi-based journalist. He can be reached at sidsri@yahoo.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it .

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why indian just refuse to admit they are the problem? so many countries operate such fighers, tell me why you are the only victim?

india and indian media need to be honest to its people, stop using excuse for every of its failure.
 
it is also funny that india is still dreaming to "strike deep into China".

trust me dude, we are not a dead nation, you strike deep into China, we can hit your capital in minutes, kill your PM, defence minister and army chief in hours.

when the indian media is keep publishing such crap, you have to ask whether it is a peaceful nation, whether it is the Neo-Nazi of Asia.

:tdown:
 
Sukhoi's will keep crashing until India stop buying them :lol:
 
Indian army is full of corruption. :sniper:

Indian government needs to be much more strict and AND FORCE them to make better things.

or else keep buying India so called advance su30 and Keep crashing every month.


i really wonder, if there is war between india and china, can India take down china, as China will destroy most of the India.

because i used to think, that if a war happen between both these countries, Both will go down, but it seems like Only India will go down and China will suffer very little.


:usflag::coffee:

anyways, US is much better in everything. :sniper:

just saying. :cool:
 
why indian just refuse to admit they are the problem? so many countries operate such fighers, tell me why you are the only victim?

india and indian media need to be honest to its people, stop using excuse for every of its failure.
Only victim? Are you aware the chinese have crashed 4 of their Su-30s? That much has been leaked to public, but the real tally could be more.
 
МиГ-29;589127 said:
Only victim? Are you aware the chinese have crashed 4 of their Su-30s? That much has been leaked to public, but the real tally could be more.

Airplanes crash all the time so its not that big of a deal. what India need to do is to decide if it want to be pro-western or pro-Shanghai 5. India is destine to be a junior partner in any alliance. If India choose to stand along, it would really have to stand along as no major country would regard as a major player in the future by itself.
 
МиГ-29;589127 said:
Only victim? Are you aware the chinese have crashed 4 of their Su-30s? That much has been leaked to public, but the real tally could be more.

you mean we report all crashes and accidents happened to our domestic designed J-10, while hiding the crashes of those russian made Su-30?

tell me what is the motivation?

there is also leaked info regarding your army chief as a Nazi.
 
you mean we report all crashes and accidents happened to our domestic designed J-10, while hiding the crashes of those russian made Su-30?

tell me what is the motivation?
There was only one report of operational J-10 mishaps, and the only reason it was released is because the engine flame out took place a couple of kms from the base and the pilot landed his plane by gliding. Who knows how many have crashed.

Chinese crashes link: http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Country-By-Country/China_PR.htm

Airplanes crash all the time so its not that big of a deal. what India need to do is to decide if it want to be pro-western or pro-Shanghai 5. India is destine to be a junior partner in any alliance. If India choose to stand along, it would really have to stand along as no major country would regard as a major player in the future by itself.
We are neither. We are pro-indian.
 
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you mean we report all crashes and accidents happened to our domestic designed J-10, while hiding the crashes of those russian made Su-30?

tell me what is the motivation?

there is also leaked info regarding your army chief as a Nazi.

There could be supply problems from Russia. if India needs help on maintaining the planes with spare parts, maybe it can ask China to India manufacturing the parts. India can supply the original parts and China can reverse engineer the parts for India. This could be a start of a new friendship and India media can stop regard China as an enemy.
 
There could be supply problems from Russia. if India needs help on maintaining the planes with spare parts, maybe it can ask China to India manufacturing the parts. India can supply the original parts and China can reverse engineer the parts for India. This could be a start of a new friendship and India media can stop regard China as an enemy.

it is not about the supply, it is all about the willingness to do the hard dirty work and make things right.

you can just read the OP article, "Sukhois crash India's defense", why indian refuse to admit their own problems? why indian keep using excuses for all troubles?
 
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МиГ-29;589143 said:
you mean we report all crashes and accidents happened to our domestic designed J-10, while hiding the crashes of those russian made Su-30?

tell me what is the motivation?/QUOTE]
There was only one report of operational J-10 mishaps, and the only reason it was released is because the engine flame out took place a couple of kms from the base and the pilot landed his plane by gliding. Who knows how many have crashed.



We are neither. We are pro-indian.

India is not capable of being an independent balancing force between Russia/China side and the US lead west. It would just create distrust between India and the other major countries as India is waffles. Eventually, Russia would not be willing to share technology with India becasue India can be perceived as pro-western as India can easily shared Russian military hardware info with the US. On the other hand, nothing would stop India from supplying American technology to Russia. Therefore, no major countries would trust India
 
МиГ-29;589143 said:
There was only one report of operational J-10 mishaps, and the only reason it was released is because the engine flame out took place a couple of kms from the base and the pilot landed his plane by gliding. Who knows how many have crashed.

no matter how you argue/troll, HAL that builds/maintains fighters for india is a criminal organization, it killed hundreds of your pilots, crashed hundreds of your fighters.

however, I won't say a single word if you choose to protect such a criminal organization. in fact, I would encourage you to do it as it would make the region more peaceful.
 
India is not capable of being an independent balancing force between Russia/China side and the US lead west. It would just create distrust between India and the other major countries as India is waffles. Eventually, Russia would not be willing to share technology with India becasue India can be perceived as pro-western as India can easily shared Russian military hardware info with the US. On the other hand, nothing would stop India from supplying American technology to Russia. Therefore, no major countries would trust India
The Russians trust us enough to allow western avionics to be placed on their jets and invited us as a partner in their 5 gen jets which they will be selling us- not to mention their Akulas, and the Americans trust us enough to release potent Awacs via Israel. As long as we keep our promise and don't leak technology to either side, they will continue to trust us.


no matter how you argue/troll, HAL that builds/maintains fighters for india is a criminal organization, it killed hundreds of your pilots, crashed hundreds of your fighters.

however, I won't say a single word if you choose to protect such a criminal organization. in fact, I would encourage you to do it as it would make the region more peaceful
lol...
 
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