Sukhoi PAK-FA / FGFA: Updates,News & Discussions

[ARCHON]

gold plated glass cockpit/?/////////////////????????????/

 

[angeldemon_007]

^^^
Thats what i am saying for so long....people think the way US made 5th gen aircrafts is the only way. I mean the final goal is to achieve lesser RCS and who cares in what way it is achieved.

 

[Birbal]

Here a question which was asked to Saturn GD V Chepkin in some interview.

Q. By the way, if we compare the T-50 "with the" F-22 ", Western sources say that the T-50" loses much of the last parameters such as infrared engine visibility in the rear hemisphere ?

We're working very intensely, and to reduce the infrared and radar visibility, and were twice as better performance in comparison with the "F-22" (at least for those data that are published and which I have).

Q. Today, the Chinese have copied our Su-27 "and are ready to sell it on world markets at dumping prices. ?

We do not lose, because such an aircraft as we do, the Chinese have no time soon will be! They say that the plane made is 5-th generation, but you can say anything ... They are the best engine copied from our "AL-31F. We also do engine 5-th generation, and it is in all of its parameters on traction, in specific fuel consumption corresponds to the 5-th generation.

"I open a secret and say that we actually already have two motors 5-th generation. The second, which is now conventionally called the "Type 30", has already been tested in flight on the fighter T-50 "According to its parameters it a 15-25 percent greater than "117 ".

Russian 5th Gen.Engines

AL-41F1S ("Item 117S") 86kN/137kN
АЛ-41Ф1С ("Изделие 117С") (8,800kgf/14,000kgf)

Al-41F1 ("Item 117") 86kN/147kN
АЛ-41Ф1 ("Изделие 117") (8,800kgf/14,989kgf)

"Type 30" ("тип 30") At 15% increase:
98.9kN/169.05kN (10,084kgf/17,238kgf)

"Item 129" ("Изделие 129") 107kN/176kN (10,910kgf/17,947kgf)

Wow this is good! It means they have an operational fifth generation engine already! Though why did they call it the "Type 30"? It sounds all Chinese.

 

[Birbal]

if stealth cruise missiles like scalp/ JASM can be detected why cant stealth planes .The problem is we have to make FFGA really
stealthier .but i dont like to say this but are we ?????

Well there are two things going on here. The first is that both the missile can be stealthy and the aircraft stealthy, but the combined RCS is not just the sum of the two RCSs. Instead, you have reflections between the missile and the aircraft which greatly increase your RCS.

The other thing to point out is that stealth planes can be detected. You just have to be a lot closer. Also, fighter jets, unlike stealth bombers, are optimized mainly for frontal RCS, so if you view the aircraft from the side, it is somewhat less stealthy and you can detect it earlier. And of course the biggest point is that longer wavelengths are largely unaffected by the stealth shaping and are also better at passing through RAM coatings. As an example of stealth being defeated, see the F-117 shoot down in Yugoslavia: IntelliBriefs: Secrets of 1999 F-117 Shootdown Revealed Obviously, 5th generation aircraft have newer stealth technologies, but with careful work they can probably also be detected.

 

[lepziboy]

Google Übersetzer

A great slap in the face for critics who have fun trolling.Slowly but surely Pak Fa will have the stealth features shown

 

[gambit]

And of course the biggest point is that longer wavelengths are largely unaffected by the stealth shaping and are also better at passing through RAM coatings. As an example of stealth being defeated, see the F-117 shoot down in Yugoslavia: IntelliBriefs: Secrets of 1999 F-117 Shootdown Revealed

And out of about THIRTY EIGHT THOUSANDS sorties, including 45 from the B-2s, only one F16 and one F-117 were lost. So much for 'defeated'.

 

[SamantK]

And out of about THIRTY EIGHT THOUSANDS sorties, including 45 from the B-2s, only one F16 and one F-117 were lost. So much for 'defeated'.

the sense of his statement is correct, he said they can be defeated, did not say they get defeated all the time... please don't isolate the word's meaning and construe the whole sentence.. a senior member like you should know more...

 

[DrSomnath999]

Well there are two things going on here. The first is that both the missile can be stealthy and the aircraft stealthy, but the combined RCS is not just the sum of the two RCSs. Instead, you have reflections between the missile and the aircraft which greatly increase your RCS.

well dont mix up both things , a stealth plane if carry any external ammunition / drop tanks the stealth plane would lose it's stealth advantage .so even if it also stealth cruise missile or not it
would increase the plane RCS for sure may be little or may be more

The other thing to point out is that stealth planes can be detected. You just have to be a lot closer. Also, fighter jets, unlike stealth bombers, are optimized mainly for frontal RCS, so if you view the aircraft from the side, it is somewhat less stealthy and you can detect it earlier. And of course the biggest point is that longer wavelengths are largely unaffected by the stealth shaping and are also better at passing through RAM coatings. As an example of stealth being defeated, see the F-117 shoot down in Yugoslavia: IntelliBriefs: Secrets of 1999 F-117 Shootdown Revealed Obviously, 5th generation aircraft have newer stealth technologies, but with careful work they can probably also be detected.

well stealth doesnt mean the plane is invisible , it can be detected
as a motto is for every weapon their is counter weapon & for that counter weapon there is also a counter weapon of that counter weapon.

eg : for evading radar detection stealth technology was developed & to counter stealth technology there will be / or would be develop anti stealth technology or tactics to counter it

but the point is every time all the counter weapon technology that i mention would win over it's weapon it is meant to counter is not mandatory sometimes things dont work out as u plan

 

[sancho]

Another interesting report:

New cruise missile for the Russian Air Force long-range arms division

Moscow, Russia - It can carry either a conventional or a nuclear warhead

A new cruise missile has entered service in Russian arsenals. The declaration arrives from the ministry of Defence, without providing any details, only saying it will be an air-launched long-range missile.

The weapon, developed by the Taktitchesckoye Raketnoye Vooruzhenie Defense Corporation, will also be installed in fifth-generation aircraft Sukhoi Pak-Fa...

Avionews - Agenzia stampa del settore aeronautico, elicotteristico, aerospaziale e della difesa


It doesn't state FGFA and the if it's nuclear and not range limited it won't be available for FGFA anyway, but it is interesting that the Russians plan to integrate cruise missiles on it too.

 

[DrSomnath999]

Another interesting report:



Avionews - Agenzia stampa del settore aeronautico, elicotteristico, aerospaziale e della difesa


It doesn't state FGFA and the if it's nuclear and not range limited it won't be available for FGFA anyway, but it is interesting that the Russians plan to integrate cruise missiles on it too.

well very less info given , i hope more info on it can come in future .Any ways thanks for the info

 

[Agent_47]

 

[Yeti]

The fifth-generation fighter, the T-50 (PAK FA) involved in the development of "technology" company of gold dust used in the manufacture of cockpit equipment that protects from the sun as well as radio waves.
The cockpit aranyozásának due to enemy air defense radar units are not issued by the waves reflected back to the PAK FA as well as on-board electronic equipment "invisible" to remain in radio electronic reconnaissance equipment. Vladimir Vikulin, the "technology" company chief designer, said the complex will have glass cockpit. The golden canopy, the shielding indiumot and tin are also used. A thickness of not less than 20 nano-meters, while the total thickness of not less than 90 nano-meters. The use of technology thanks to the on-board electronics, "visibility" 250-fold decrease.

Protection of radio waves, the complex of the cockpit canopy protects the polymeric components of infrared and ultraviolet radiation effects as well. This type of radiation increase the fragility of plastics, which can result in unexpected situations. In 2010, an Indian pilot ejecting ejection seat belt when the polymer component of "deterioration of" lost their lives due. The PAK FA is expected to receive after successfully completing tests of the new cabin roof. The cost of gold is not stated, but Vikulin said that a canopy of gold-dust protection for only two or three grams of gold is required. Similar technology is used in the F-22 Raptor is repülőgépnél.


Gold-plated cabin roof to get the PAK FA

 

[Yeti]

The Army Commander, General Alexandr Zelin said on Tuesday, 28 that Russian Air Force will renew 70% of its fleet of aircraft by 2020. He told the newspaper Moskovski Komsomolets fighters that will be incorporated into T-50 PAK FA, PAL'S strategic aircraft, aircraft warning temprana A-100 attack aircraft and pilotless.

Referring to the T-50, said he will be designed to achieve air supremacy and isolate enemy forces to the theater. In the case of strategic aircraft'S PAL, Zelin gave no details and only pointed out that the military authorities pay special attention to this project related to the areas of deterrence.

At the same time, said the continued strategic aircraft already incorporated into the Air Force. Thus, the Tu-160 bombers will be renewed until version Tu-160M ​​and Tu-95MS Tu-up version 95MSM.

Rockets for T-50 from 2014
Russian company KTRV (Korporacija Taktičeskoe Raketnoe Vooruženie) today announced that development of advanced tactical guided missiles for promising multipurpose supersonic fighter fifth generation Sukhoi T-50 will be completed by 2014. Has reported, citing the company's chief Boris KTRV agreed sum, the Russian agency RIA Novosti.


RIA Novosti also noted that these are the types of missiles, Kh-35UE (AS-20 Kayak), Kh-38ME, Kh-58UShKE (AS-11 kilter) and RDC-MD (AA-11 Archer). Their development programs are expected to be completed in the period 2012 to 2013. tactical antiship guided missile Kh-35UE designed to destroy surface ships, has a maximum range of 260 km, while protiradioelektronická guided missile Kh-31PD is designed for strikes on air defense systems opponent to 250 km distant. Protiradioelektronická guided missile Kh-58UShKE is capable of destroying electronic targets at distances up to 245 km, short-range missiles RVV-MD with a maximum range of 40 km is designed to destroy airborne targets particularly in aerial combat maneuvering. Moreover, Russia carried out test missiles Kh-31PD (AS-17 Mod 2) you have to use the 4th attack aircraft generation Su-34. All of these types of missiles will be put into service simultaneously, indicating T-50 aircraft to full operational service in the Russian Air Force in 2014. T-50 aircraft, developed under a program called PAK FA (Perspektivnyj Aviacionnyj complex Frontovoj Aviaciji - promising aviation complex frontline Air Force) to replace in service with the Russian Air Force MiG-29 and Su-27. (stk / red)

 

[gubbi]

^^^
Thats what i am saying for so long....people think the way US made 5th gen aircrafts is the only way. I mean the final goal is to achieve lesser RCS and who cares in what way it is achieved.

The E-6 prowler electronic warfare aircraft, the F-22, the F-35 and many others all carry gold embedded canopies. Gold is embedded in the material while making the canopies. One can also find this gold embedded visors on many pilots helmets and most importantly it started with visors on astronauts' helmets to protect them from cosmic radiation. Tech spin-offs from the space age.

 

[DrSomnath999]