Sukhoi PAK-FA / FGFA: Updates,News & Discussions

[Black Widow]

AFAIK only the F-22 was designed to be invisible to AEW&CS but that was supposed to be around 2018 when it reaches Def-com 5.
As for T-50 and J-20 nothing is known.
So could someone plz elaborate if the excessive cost of stealth is justifiable if these planes will not be invisible to AEW&CS systems.

As per my limited knowledge, AEWCS are used to detect target and relay the information to different places[ Let us consider some scenario..

Scenario1: AWACS detected F22 and send the information to F16/18 or Su3o MKI. As a pilot I know that F22 is 100 km north of me, but this information is not enough to kill it, My aircraft radar should be able to track it, I can not lock using AWACS info.

Scenario2: The AWACS send the location info to SAM station: Sam station knows F22 is there somewhere, but still it cannot track it..

Do you understand why excessive cost of F22 is justified???

Does anyone know what that added cone at the tail boom of the T-50-2 is as shown in the show flight in Maks?

Same question came to my mind.. May be to distinguish old and new prototype..

 

[aakash_2410]

Russians sure do know how to make a plane look sexy.

You decide for yourself?

 

[aimarraul]

Does anyone know what that added cone at the tail boom of the T-50-2 is as shown in the show flight in Maks?

anti spin parachute,according to russian' saying,the factory testing is close to finished,PAKFA program will soon move to next stage at flight test center,lots of tests will be conducted there ,the prototype 51 might be responsible for flying maneuver

 

[tvsram1992]

As per my limited knowledge, AEWCS are used to detect target and relay the information to different places[ Let us consider some scenario..

Scenario1: AWACS detected F22 and send the information to F16/18 or Su3o MKI. As a pilot I know that F22 is 100 km north of me, but this information is not enough to kill it, My aircraft radar should be able to track it, I can not lock using AWACS info.

Scenario2: The AWACS send the location info to SAM station: Sam station knows F22 is there somewhere, but still it cannot track it..

Do you understand why excessive cost of F22 is justified???



Same question came to my mind.. May be to distinguish old and new prototype..

1.Why not an anti radiation missile be launched?
2.AWACS can transfer the coordinates to mki accurately so that the missile launched can be considered as an awacs launched missile . Thats why awacs are there.

 

[jdme]

1.Why not an anti radiation missile be launched?
2.AWACS can transfer the coordinates to mki accurately so that the missile launched can be considered as an awacs launched missile . Thats why awacs are there.

I guess there is this option where AWACs can track the plane and relay the information to a missile in real time. So it would be a AWACS guided missile! Though such missile won't be very reliable.

 

[aimarraul]

Russians sure do know how to make a plane look sexy.

You decide for yourself?

What are you suggesting, Sir......

 

[aimarraul]

 

[tvsram1992]

I guess there is this option where AWACs can track the plane and relay the information to a missile in real time. So it would be a AWACS guided missile! Though such missile won't be very reliable.

The reliability depends purely on range and target maneuveribility,jammers and stealth mainly situational awareness

 

[jdme]

The reliability depends purely on range and target maneuveribility,jammers and stealth mainly situational awareness

There is this small delay factor also.

 

[sancho]

Livestream from the MAKS 2011:

MAKS-2011 air show — RT On air


Not sure if T50 will come later again, but at the moment there is an passover of 8 different Russian helicopters (Mi26,17,28, 38...), very impressive!

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@ aimarraul

Nice collection! Can you add a topview of all fighters as well?

 

[aakash_2410]

What are you suggesting, Sir......

I am not suggesting anything sir. I am just saying Russian planes look more sexy in general.

 

[aimarraul]

can't find the topview of J20

 

[SpArK]

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[DacterSaab]

I am not suggesting anything sir. I am just saying Russian planes look more sexy in general.

actually all of em are sexy in their own ways

 

[DacterSaab]

I must also add that the J-20 seems to be highly influenced by the MiG 1.44 only the intakes are different