Sukhoi-30MKI is India’s fallback fighter

[ptldM3]

lol, when was Su-30MKI "war-proven"? Which war?

Su-30MKI is good on paper. 3000 range and blah blah...but in real combat mission, it hardly matters.

The MKI may not be war proven but the Flanker which the MKI is has been proven in both air-to-air and air-to-ground.

It is such a BIG aircraft with such a massive RCS that enemy radars will pick it up hundreds of kilometers away from border.....and then enemy fighters will be air-borne.

Israelis were able to destroy Iraq's nuclear-plant using F-16s....If they had used Su-30MKI, they would have had failed.

This is none sense, an F-16 especially for a combat mission will have drop tanks and ordinance, its RCS will increase drastically. The F-16 is also nothing special when talking about RCS, the Mig-21 is similar to the F-16 and neither will evade radars due to their RCS. We are also talking about aspect angle, while the F-16 may have a smaller frontal RCS a ground radar will illuminate the entire undercarriage of the aircraft which gives off the largest RCS figures.

If size mattered aircraft like the F-15 would have been getting shot down all of the time. Mission planning such as avoiding radar installations, using terrain to mask your presence, using ECM and long range standoff weapons is what insures survivability.[/quote]

 

[janon]

China is under embargo from west since tiananmen square incident, they don't had other options to go.

They could build smaller, F-16 sized aircrafts, instead of flanker sized ones. But their most potent fighters are their flankers and flanker copies. If RCS is what mattered, then they would have inducted JF-17, but they didn't. Heavy, twin engid jets have a lot of advantages over light, single engined ones - there is a lot that can be done with all that additional thrust. There is a reason why countries with large budgets have large, heavy fighters as their air superiority fighters.

You are old member you should have read some of those.

I haven't. It is my observation that Pakistanis always accuse Indians of making such statements, but Indians rarely make such statements, if ever. That is why I asked for an example. Sometimes it's your own prejudice that you are projecting on to others. Indians proudly say that the MKI is the best fighter in the region, and Pakistanis accuse Indians of saying that the MKI is invincible.

 

[hkdas]

lol, when was Su-30MKI "war-proven"? Which war?

Su-30MKI is good on paper. 3000 range and blah blah...but in real combat mission, it hardly matters.

Say for example India plans to conduct an air-strike on nuclear-sites of enemy 2500km away. Su-30MKI, with 3000km range and 4.5 combat endurance comes to mind.

But can india use this bird?

It is such a BIG aircraft with such a massive RCS that enemy radars will pick it up hundreds of kilometers away from border.....and then enemy fighters will be air-borne.

Israelis were able to destroy Iraq's nuclear-plant using F-16s....If they had used Su-30MKI, they would have had failed.

A smaller fighter-jet, armed with advance avionics, AESA radar, jammers, and loaded with smart weapons is way more lethal than anything like that of Su-30MKI.

Therefore jets like Eurofighters, Rafale, and F-16 block 60 E/F are much more sophisticated/better aircrafts for airforces around the world.

This is a much more dangerous threat for an enemy

compared to this

ooh really!!??? then Americans should have to depose their f-15 for being a large fighter jet, according to your idiotic logic... su 30 is similar in size/category of f-15. su 27/30 is used by many countries including india, china and Russia and all these AF are way better than you and PAF in determining which fighter jet is better and which is not. isreal use f16 because that was the best plane in IAF to do a ground attack. and also they use f-15a( an air superiority fighter) for air cover for "Operation Opera". mki is a multirole fighter with a good ground attack capability. a big fighters like mki can carry a lot of weapons to conduct a successful airstrike with limited number of fighter jets.

it doen't matter the fighter jet is small or larger, it only matter is its capability to remain stealth, this is were an electronic counter-measuring systems comes in. mki have good jammers and EW capabilities to overcome the enemy radars and it will also help to avoid enemy missile form get lock on to the fighter jets.

the Eurofighters and Rafale are not smaller fighter, they are medium fighters.

 

[trident2010]

Wise choice. Keep adding up the MKI's until Rafale deal is done.

 

[indoPunjabi]

GOI, MOD, HAL should Scrap that raFAIL Deal and build more su30mki and also upgrade the existing ones in IAF

 

[Sankpal]

Yes, Keep adding MKI and if possible do some modification for ground attack (40-50 planes).

 

[IndoUS]

Yes, Keep adding MKI and if possible do some modification for ground attack (40-50 planes).

It already does precision ground attack with a targeting pod.

 

[SamBahadur]

Actually the rate of induction of Su-30 MKI has increased drastically ever since HAL-Nashik tied up with BEML-Aerospace ( My workplace ) for manufacturing fuselages and other important things . I think this might have motivated MOD and IAF to increase the aircraft number by procuring additonal license

 

[StormShadow]

lol, when was Su-30MKI "war-proven"? Which war?

Su-30MKI is good on paper. 3000 range and blah blah...but in real combat mission, it hardly matters.

Say for example India plans to conduct an air-strike on nuclear-sites of enemy 2500km away. Su-30MKI, with 3000km range and 4.5 combat endurance comes to mind.

But can india use this bird?

It is such a BIG aircraft with such a massive RCS that enemy radars will pick it up hundreds of kilometers away from border.....and then enemy fighters will be air-borne.

Is this divine revelation applicable to f-15 as well as it has got same RCS as su-30mki? If yes, why are airforces still using f-15s?

 

[SamBahadur]

Is this divine revelation applicable to f-15 as well as it has got same RCS as su-30mki? If yes, why are airforces still using f-15s?

Don't Bother replying him , he has no idea what he is speaking about

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Su-30MKI is most powerful plane in subcontinent and it has western systems installed, but Indian make it invincible on forums its similar to claiming that HMS Titanic was unsinkable.

You can't sink a ship which never existed.

RMS Titanic (Royal Mail Steamer Titanic) is another story.
Your failure of course does not prove that SU-30MKI is invincible.

 

[NKVD]

Pretty much try by pakistani Lads to derail the thread now on topic comments request to indian pals.

 

[Varunastra]

Buy more Su-30's and sign the MMRCA deal.......just retire the non-bison MIG-21's as soon as possible.We need to attain our goal of 42 sqaudrons

 

[TeesraIndiotHunter]

Is this divine revelation applicable to f-15 as well as it has got same RCS as su-30mki? If yes, why are airforces still using f-15s?

Who told you that latest versions of F-15s have same RCS as Su-30MKI? Moreover, electronics package in F-15s is one of the best in the world. Russian package with Israeli components won't come close.

The MKI may not be war proven but the Flanker which the MKI is has been proven in both air-to-air and air-to-ground.

Pakistani JF-17s shot down Flankers of Chinese Air Force in combat exercises last year.

This shows how good JF-17 is when flown by elite-level pilots such as pilots of PAF, Israeli pilots, and American pilots etc.

 

[NKVD]

Who told you that latest versions of F-15s have same RCS as Su-30MKI? Moreover, electronics package in F-15s is one of the best in the world. Russian package with Israeli components won't come close.



Pakistani JF-17s shot down Flankers of Chinese Air Force in combat exercises last year.

This shows how good JF-17 is when flown by elite-level pilots such as pilots of PAF, Israeli pilots, and American pilots etc.

Even with such features F-15 can't able to reduce its RCS less than 12m2 except F-15SE and mki uses best EW, Avionics available in region which Israelis use in their f-15 , F-16 and Even mki use Ram coatings and various RCS reduction feature's in new Lots of Mki.And for your kind information Jf-17 Uses Engines and avionics which is of Russian and chinese orgin I saw many prominent pakistani pdf posters here who say jf-17 is better than F-16 A2A engagements. So think twice before claiming anything.