Suicide attackers, gunmen hit central Kabul

[hembo]

Afghan mujahdeen wanted to liberate their home from US occupation and all muslims except northern alliance are supporting their cause .If this is hypocracy , i love it

Here comes the Taliban Sympathizer!! Should be ashamed of that stupid smile in the expense of the civilian deaths.

RIP!!

 

[Luftwaffe]

hembo..Here comes the Taliban Sympathizer!! Should be ashamed of that stupid smile in the expense of the civilian deaths.

exactly us should be ashamed of their moronic smile in the expense of the civilian death by drone attacks..(800 confirmed civilians killed) after this post i wouldn't bother to read your post on this thread infact won't return to this thread..

 

[karan.1970]

I am just trying to tell my Afghan brother dont trust on US and India , they are not in Afghanistan for rehabilitation of Afghanistan or for peace mission , they have common intrest to secure the energy resources.

Afghanistan and Pakistan need each other for their existance , we need them for strategic depth and they need Pakistan for their trade through indian ocean.

Basically Mujahdeen are also fighting war of Pakistan, early exit of US from Afghanistan is in favour Pakistan to keep its independence and sovernity.

We also want good relation with India but on equal terms , we have adantage of strategic location this is the right time to pressurise India to resolve Kashmir issue or forget any gas or oil supply from Iran and central Asia.

Dont think the gas from Iran via pakistan holds any attraction for India unless Iran takes the responsibility of delivery at India border. GOI simply does not trust pakistan enough to leave an option open for Pakistan to take that pipeline hostage. For all practical purposes, India has already put this on the back burner and has only been making the right noises with Iran...

Also with Reliance /Cairn India oil deal going thru, India's oil imports are begining to fall. As a matter of fact for the 1st time India is going to have a postive trade balance in a long time..

As a matter of fact the IP? pipeline is going to be in limbo if China or India does not become the 3rd member of this venture..

 

[waraich66]

Here comes the Taliban Sympathizer!! Should be ashamed of that stupid smile in the expense of the civilian deaths.

RIP!!

Non sense and stupid post ever seen

My smile is not for killings , weakness in attitude become weakness in character

 

[waraich66]

Brother, you dont have to worry about our independence, it is our issue not yours.

Well if this the case why dont Karzai and you take care of Afghan Rafugees ?

From last thirty years 30 million Afghan Rafugees are living in Pakistan , we think it is also our problem , we want their safe return and rehabilitation in Afghanistan ,it is only possible when US and NATO forces leave Afghanistan and peace restored .

 

[Barrett]

Seeing a Yankee criticizing Taliban is hypocrisy as these were "Mujahideen" when they were fighting their enemies but nevertheless goals keep changing for them and now they are terrorists, understood. "Use & Abuse"

But what actually sends my little brain on a spin is seeing an Afghan defending the Yankees, except for bringing death an destruction to your country they haven't done anything else. The very same Pakistanis who fought with you shoulder to shoulder against the soviets, the very same Pakistan where more then half of your population lived are now worse then the "Goras" ? this is hypocrisy at its best, tell your Afghan brothers to try and apply for an American Visa for a reality check.
I'm sorry to wake you up from your pretty dream but you are amongst the very small minority who supports the Karzai Gov & Yankees killing your brothers everyday, when Taliban kills civilians they are called animals but when the Occupying forces kill civilians they sing the very same song of Terrorists using Civilians as shields, translated from hebrew to english.
Without overwhelming support from the local population do think it is actually possible for the cave men to take 40+ countries on a ride for 8 years?
I can understand why Karzai is supporting the occupation - $$$$, but what about you?

 

[oceanx]

I am just trying to tell my Afghan brother dont trust on US and India , they are not in Afghanistan for rehabilitation of Afghanistan or for peace mission , they have common intrest to secure the energy resources.

Afghanistan and Pakistan need each other for their existance , we need them for strategic depth and they need Pakistan for their trade through indian ocean.

Basically Mujahdeen are also fighting war of Pakistan, early exit of US from Afghanistan is in favour Pakistan to keep its independence and sovernity.

We also want good relation with India but on equal terms , we have adantage of strategic location this is the right time to pressurise India to resolve Kashmir issue or forget any gas or oil supply from Iran and central Asia.

That's a load of common sense from a "fundamentalist", although I wouldn't say that US and India can't help. But Amrikan intentions can be scrutinized.

This is to Unity:

By and large I personally believe American intentions in Afghanistan to be on the whole "good". But the mere possession of good intention has never been enough.

How many times did America "stabilize" Haiti? How long did America run the Philippines? Just having America on your side is not enough!

Fundamentalist states a central geographical truth, which is that Afghanistan is a relatively resource-poor (okay it has copper) land-locked country. With the exception of Switzerland, can you name me another land-locked country that doesn't ooze oil and is flourishing?

Okay, Afghanistan has the asset of strategic location. But any over-the-land East/West neo-silk road link doesn't have to go through Afghanistan. With the dissolution of the Soviet Union, North of the Pamirs is relatively unimpeded and I am sure you are aware of that.

Not to mention the predominance of sea lane into the forseeable future or the existence of other alternative East/West routes through Russia.

Anyways, the prosperity of Afghanistan then comes down on its most important resource - its own hardy, proud people. And I believe how well the Afghan people will fare in the long run will depend as much on their own talents as on the neighbourly relations.

As an expat who has seen and "tasted" the West, it is easy for you to fall under the spell of "the promise". Don't get overly taken in by the Nation Statehood model dangled by some.

It's a siren call that bedeviled many a primitive people (don't be offended - that includes everyone in Asia by my reckoning).

Now objectively, one cannot say that Pakistan didn't make mistakes in dealing with the Afghan situation. It seems to me that Pakistan invested so much into Afghanistan that it almost got itself into a "tail wagging the dog" situation.

But I wouldn't count on a "land-locked" tail prospering while completely severed from the K9.

 

[Ahmad]

I am just trying to tell my Afghan brother dont trust on US and India , they are not in Afghanistan for rehabilitation of Afghanistan or for peace mission , they have common intrest to secure the energy resources.

And what makes Pakistan so special to trust them but not to trust the others?


Afghanistan and Pakistan need each other for their existance , we need them for strategic depth and they need Pakistan for their trade through indian ocean.

I am sure that pakistan needs afghanistan soil for its proxy war. As per trade, there are other routes other than your ports that Afghanistan can use. By the way, you also need Afghanistan to access central asia.

Basically Mujahdeen are also fighting war of Pakistan, early exit of US from Afghanistan is in favour Pakistan to keep its independence and sovernity.

Here you go, at last the truth came out. Yes, these Mujahideen of yours are fighting for Paksitan, thats what i have been saying from the begining.

 

[Ahmad]

Well if this the case why dont Karzai and you take care of Afghan Rafugees ?

From last thirty years 30 million Afghan Rafugees are living in Pakistan , we think it is also our problem , we want their safe return and rehabilitation in Afghanistan ,it is only possible when US and NATO forces leave Afghanistan and peace restored .

If there is war then there is no chance of refugees going back. that is the reason we are shouting loud for peace and your version of solution which is violence is not wellcomed by the people of afghanistan. A safe return of refugees is only possible if there is peace, thats what you never wanted. and please dont taunt this refugee issue all the time, you let them in for your own purposes.

 

[Roby]

Taliban told to attack as widely as possible: UK general

LONDON: Taliban fighters, who launched an assault in Kabul on Monday, have been ordered to attack in as many places as possible to try to make it look as though they are everywhere, the head of the British army said.

General David Richards said the Afghan security forces had responded well to the attacks, disproving critics who doubted their ability to withstand such an assault.

Suicide bombers blew themselves up at several locations in the Afghan capital as militants battled security forces from inside a shopping centre engulfed in flames.

“They (the Taliban) have given orders to their people to attack in as many different places as they possibly can - it doesn't matter if they are successful or not - in order to reinforce this impression of being everywhere,” Richards said.

“It doesn't mean we should draw the deduction that they are ... hugely popular Robin Hoods,” he said after giving a speech at the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

He said he had contacted friends in Kabul and “their assessment is that actually the Afghans have handled it very well ... Both on a higher level and at the tactical level I think they've handled that well.”

“We won't really know till tomorrow how well, but they did not fall apart. They responded in a very professional manner. They encircled those involved,” he said.

“They could, if some people who are critical of the Afghan national security forces were right, they could have collapsed, because right in the heart of Kabul this is something that would have been a psychological shock to everybody,” he said.

He said the Taliban were deliberately “creating the impression in all our minds that they are everywhere, that they can get in everywhere.”

“Actually they might have had six attacks in Kabul in the last six months and that is six more than we would like but it is only six. And if they are quite so omnipotent as some people would tell us they are they could do a lot worse than that.”

He said the Taliban were not popular with Afghans and he believed international forces in Afghanistan were “putting in place now the means and the people to ensure that over time we can succeed.”

Britain has 9,500 troops in Afghanistan, based mainly in the south, as part of a Nato-led force fighting the Taliban.

 

[Ahmad]

That's a load of common sense from a "fundamentalist", although I wouldn't say that US and India can't help. But Amrikan intentions can be scrutinized.

This is to Unity:

By and large I personally believe American intentions in Afghanistan to be on the whole "good". But the mere possession of good intention has never been enough.

How many times did America "stabilize" Haiti? How long did America run the Philippines? Just having America on your side is not enough!

Fundamentalist states a central geographical truth, which is that Afghanistan is a relatively resource-poor (okay it has copper) land-locked country. With the exception of Switzerland, can you name me another land-locked country that doesn't ooze oil and is flourishing?

Okay, Afghanistan has the asset of strategic location. But any over-the-land East/West neo-silk road link doesn't have to go through Afghanistan. With the dissolution of the Soviet Union, North of the Pamirs is relatively unimpeded and I am sure you are aware of that.

Not to mention the predominance of sea lane into the forseeable future or the existence of other alternative East/West routes through Russia.

Anyways, the prosperity of Afghanistan then comes down on its most important resource - its own hardy, proud people. And I believe how well the Afghan people will fare in the long run will depend as much on their own talents as on the neighbourly relations.

As an expat who has seen and "tasted" the West, it is easy for you to fall under the spell of "the promise". Don't get overly taken in by the Nation Statehood model dangled by some.

It's a siren call that bedeviled many a primitive people (don't be offended - that includes everyone in Asia by my reckoning).

Now objectively, one cannot say that Pakistan didn't make mistakes in dealing with the Afghan situation. It seems to me that Pakistan invested so much into Afghanistan that it almost got itself into a "tail wagging the dog" situation.

But I wouldn't count on a "land-locked" tail prospering while completely severed from the K9.

Dear oceanx,

We people have been biten by everybody that it is imposible for us to turst anyone including the Americans, if you think I as a person and other people of Afghanistan are really in love with americans then it is not true. You are also right that we need our neighbours, our neigbhours need us as well, it is the same theory for every country, all the neigbhours need each other. Here i am not talking about liking or disliking countires, it is about making the right choice, it is about making the pain as less as possible.

 

[Ahmad]

self delete.

 

[EjazR]

What I fail to understand that the very same normal Pakistanis on one hand vehemently condemn Taliban style sharia law and even the so called Islamic parties like JI , JUI e.t.c. and who know all about Qazi Hussain and his America settled family as well as well known maulana diesel and all in all oppose these groups wholeheartedly.

On the other hand, they want people who espouse the same ideology and use the same dirty tactics of using the name of Islam to "win" in Afghanistan or in Kashmir. Why the duplicity? Even if they do "win", how can they ever benefit Pakistan? When Taliban were in power in Afghanistan, there were huge losses due to smuggling that was encouraged, local industries in Pakistan suffered, the Taliban refused to recognise the durrand line even upon GoP request and they did not curtail and drug prodcution until 2001.

Please understand that there is no difference in the end goal of Syed Ali Shah Geelani in Kashmir or Mullah Omar in Afghanistan. These very people use deceptive slogans of Islam and sharia and have done untold damage to the image of Islam and the path that the prophet had shown us to follow.

I won't even mention the issues that have cropped up with Iran regarding Jundullah and Taliban support in the 90s and Iran panicking and supporting NA in opposition.

Its not the case of blaming Pakistanis as the average Pakistani had no input to policy issues. Many people acknowledge that when it comes to foreign policy for India particularly Kashmir and Afghanistan, its the security establishment that decides, not the elected representatives.

While Pakistan shares the largest borders with India, Afghanistan and Iran. It also has the most antagonistic relations with these countries and they all mostly (atleast from the India, Afghanistan and Iran's perspective) revolve around non-state actors using Pakistani soil to cause havoc in their countries.

Now its quite possible that China might have had a private word as well as there are a few videos showing chinese uighurs in the FATA region and reports that they eventually went back to Xinjiang as well.


Bottom line is, please don't differentiate between the groups that use Islam for dirty politcal purposes and violence. There is no difference between LeT using the name of Islam and Jihad and twisting their meaning and vilfying their aims just like the TTP or the Afghan Taliban or Jundullah does. It is high time that this is clarified and no doubt should remain on this.

 

[waraich66]

What I fail to understand that the very same normal Pakistanis on one hand vehemently condemn Taliban style sharia law and even the so called Islamic parties like JI , JUI e.t.c. and who know all about Qazi Hussain and his America settled family as well as well known maulana diesel and all in all oppose these groups wholeheartedly.

On the other hand, they want people who espouse the same ideology and use the same dirty tactics of using the name of Islam to "win" in Afghanistan or in Kashmir. Why the duplicity? Even if they do "win", how can they ever benefit Pakistan? When Taliban were in power in Afghanistan, there were huge losses due to smuggling that was encouraged, local industries in Pakistan suffered, the Taliban refused to recognise the durrand line even upon GoP request and they did not curtail and drug prodcution until 2001.

Please understand that there is no difference in the end goal of Syed Ali Shah Geelani in Kashmir or Mullah Omar in Afghanistan. These very people use deceptive slogans of Islam and sharia and have done untold damage to the image of Islam and the path that the prophet had shown us to follow.

I won't even mention the issues that have cropped up with Iran regarding Jundullah and Taliban support in the 90s and Iran panicking and supporting NA in opposition.

Its not the case of blaming Pakistanis as the average Pakistani had no input to policy issues. Many people acknowledge that when it comes to foreign policy for India particularly Kashmir and Afghanistan, its the security establishment that decides, not the elected representatives.

While Pakistan shares the largest borders with India, Afghanistan and Iran. It also has the most antagonistic relations with these countries and they all mostly (atleast from the India, Afghanistan and Iran's perspective) revolve around non-state actors using Pakistani soil to cause havoc in their countries.

Now its quite possible that China might have had a private word as well as there are a few videos showing chinese uighurs in the FATA region and reports that they eventually went back to Xinjiang as well.


Bottom line is, please don't differentiate between the groups that use Islam for dirty politcal purposes and violence. There is no difference between LeT using the name of Islam and Jihad and twisting their meaning and vilfying their aims just like the TTP or the Afghan Taliban or Jundullah does. It is high time that this is clarified and no doubt should remain on this.

Northern Alliance is US and Indian supported , Pakistan could not afford to have enemy at both front and back yards.

If US wanted to restore peace in Afghanistan then they have to bring both Northern Alliance and Talaban in mutual peace agreement .This is the only option but India dont want success of this agreement because they have to leave Afghanistan in this case.

Let see when US realise this fact and change their strategy accordingly.

 

[waraich66]

If there is war then there is no chance of refugees going back. that is the reason we are shouting loud for peace and your version of solution which is violence is not wellcomed by the people of afghanistan. A safe return of refugees is only possible if there is peace, thats what you never wanted. and please dont taunt this refugee issue all the time, you let them in for your own purposes.

Non sense

Why we dont want peace in Afghanistan ?

Many Afghan Rafugees involved in terrorism in Pakistan also norcotices and kalashankov culture is resultant of Afghan Rafugees .