Sufi Mohammad announces end of Swat peace camp

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

i know i am emptional but my emotions are results of what muslims have seen and suffured since last two decades.

well if you say and support zardari's decision than can you tell me when he or his tolla (team) of looters have stand against the illeagal dron attacks in side Pakistan? everyone knows suiside attacks never happend in Pak before west dictate our govt to attack our own people.

trust me this will not going to end rather increase, tell me what you will do if missle strike on your home?

stop looking at one side of story which you are now bound to listen everyday by so called free media. think and think of other aspects and realise others feeling and suffering they are facing which only creating this mess evern greater. and that what exactly needed to distroy any country. and history of full of such exapmples most recently yugosalavia, in progress in iraq now in Pakistan

Try not to drag unrelated issues into the discussion - the argument is over Swat, not FATA. There have been no drone attacks on Swat, and Mullah FM adopted the path of violence long before the drone attacks began in FATA.

The military operation was entirely his fault.

 

[Bane Blade]

This problem requires an ingenious solution,something that'll please everyone otherwise a quik,ruthless and final military operation is the only way.

In that case I hope your family is also from Swat area and I would love to see the reaction when you will see people beiing murdered 'ruthelessly' it is wrong to suggest death upon anyone it is disappointing that Pakistanis hold such view terribly disappointing.

 

[IceCold]

So peace deal is gone, ahh well it was expected although happened much sooner then expected. A notable reason for this is that these militants are never interested in imposing Sharia law at the first place, that is just a cover up for their illegal activities and that is why whenever they realize that peace deal isn't going to provide any more cover to their hidden agenda, they as usual blame the government for not holding on to their end of the bargain by not implementing sharia law and hence we are withdrawing from the peace deals.
Another notable factor here is that from the day this deal was struck, western world most importantly the US looked at it with a shaky eye, it could be possible that certain elements at the behest of CIA create such atmosphere where to hold on to a deal becomes impossible and sooner or latter the deal goes south and it has happened with all peace deals starting from Musharraf era.
Bringing in army will cause more disruption to peace in the already volatile region not to mention the huge body bags both of civilians and the army personal. IMO the best course of action here would be to indulge militants in the negotiation process while deploying special forces there who's objective would only be to search and destroy, in this case targets would be top militant leaders, leaders such as Mullah FM or his deputy. These people are the main cause of trouble because there motives are very different from what they claim of. Here i would also add that it would the right time to test our beloved so called ally the US, how well because we would need the real time intelligence before the special team can be deployed there about the targets and this real time intel can only be provided by US satellite. Lets see how committed they really are because they are the first ones to shout on the top of their voice whenever a peace deal is signed. Lets hope GOP stands up to the occasion and handle the issue like it is meant to be handled. Deploying military or FC wont help solve the issue, it will deteriorate it further.

 

[sherdil76]

Innocent people were only deliberately targetted by the militants - remember that there was a square in Mingora called 'Kasai Chowk' because the Taliban would frequently hang corpses in it. The government is the only authority in Pakistan, and by taking up arms the Taliban invited a forceful government response. Mullah FM never ran for election or tried the political process to achieve Shariah, so he had no reason or right to adopt violence.

Secondly, Zardari is completely justified in refraining from signing the Peace Deal until he is satisfied that peace has been restored in the area. That was the deal remember - Nizam-e-Adl in exchange for peace and disarmament.

Have the Taliban done that? By any account they have not. They took over Amir Muqam's house and blew away a part of it while occupying the rest. They occupied a student hostel and forced the students to leave. They have also continued to carry out several small attacks and ambushes of the Security Forces as they transport supplies and troops around.

And now they have attacked Buner and killed five or so people, and are refusing to leave on the specific instructions of the TTP-Swat leadership.

Why should Zardari sign the agreement when the Taliban have blatantly violated the peace deal several times already?

please stop blaming like western media everything on taliban. do you have any proof that taliban are destablising the deal when their leader Mulana Sufi was there doing his best to keep peace and lived there among them?

and can you defferentiate between 80's jihadis and now taliban (which are now known an terrorists but then were funded by US)

whoever they are, all they want is kick the intruders out of their land and live in peace, Taliban inforced peace when they were ruling in afghnistan and thats the only time in recent history afghan were in peace. except few war lords jumping around.

west alwasy blame poppy cultivation on taliban but now british troops protecting big farms there so it can be used for cia funding.

well its long debate but stop seeing things which west want you to believe on, think about feeling of those who lying their lives, can you think of suiside? if so what reason could make you to blow yourself in pieces?

they are not all brainwashed... but people suffered from brutality of others and those who think they will not get justice anywhere... and only then you can think of taking your revenge this way

 

[sherdil76]

and if you think zardari is justified, i wonder how people trust on a person who do not even believe on free justice.

 

[sherdil76]

Try not to drag unrelated issues into the discussion - the argument is over Swat, not FATA. There have been no drone attacks on Swat, and Mullah FM adopted the path of violence long before the drone attacks began in FATA.

The military operation was entirely his fault.

well i cannot argue with you anyfuther if you think people being killed in NWFP are different from those in swat or anywhere else in pakistan or around the globe.

for me every muslim is brother, but not thoes who were just named and being told by their parents that they are muslim.

 

[rahgup]

whoever they are, all they want is kick the intruders out of their land and live in peace, Taliban inforced peace when they were ruling in afghnistan and thats the only time in recent history afghan were in peace. except few war lords jumping around.

So in your dictionary does intruders also include the Pakistani army? What about Saudi's and Uzbeks who are a part of Taliban, why don't they kick themselves out

 

[IceCold]

please stop blaming like western media everything on taliban. do you have any proof that taliban are destablising the deal when their leader Mulana Sufi was there doing his best to keep peace and lived there among them?

and can you defferentiate between 80's jihadis and now taliban (which are know and terrorists but then were funded but US)

whoever they are, all they want is kick the intruders out of their land and live in peace, Taliban inforced peace when they were ruling in afghnistan and thats the only time in recent history afghan were in peace. except few war lords jumping around.

west alwasy blam poppy cultivation on taliban but now british troops protecting the big farm there so it can be used to cia funding.

well its long debate but stop seeing things which west you to believe on think about feeling of those who lying their lives, can you think of suiside for a reason? of so what reason could make you to die?

they are not all brainwashed... but people suffered from brutality of others and those who think they will not get justice anywhere... only then you can think of taking your revenge by blowing yourself.

You have to understand that the modern day taliban are not the talibans of the 80. It has become a tradition these days that even the terrorist have started calling themselves taliban, mostly RAW funded and these are the very people who have nothing to do with Afghanistan or foreign forces being deployed there, their primary purpose is to cause disruption and destruction in Pakistan. Tell me you say kick out invaders, well i don't see any invaders in SWAT then what are they fighting here for. SWAT was all along a peaceful area and a tourist spot, these miscreants went there and now look where are we. Like i said before the demand to impose sharia is just a cover up for the illegal activities and whenever they see its no longer working they back out, pick any single one out. Peace deals are being happening from Musharraf era, not one succeeded.
Though i agree with this part of your post that during the taliban rule afghanistan was most stable and now drug trade right under the nose of both the US and NATO is at its high and this is the funding used by both RAW and CIA to back stab Pakistan.
In short i would say we are alone in this battle, we can't trust these so called taliban wanna be and definitely not the US.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

please stop blaming like western media everything on taliban. do you have any proof that taliban are destablising the deal when their leader Mulana Sufi was there doing his best to keep peace and lived there among them?

and can you defferentiate between 80's jihadis and now taliban (which are now known an terrorists but then were funded by US)

whoever they are, all they want is kick the intruders out of their land and live in peace, Taliban inforced peace when they were ruling in afghnistan and thats the only time in recent history afghan were in peace. except few war lords jumping around.

west alwasy blam poppy cultivation on taliban but now british troops protecting the big farm there so it can be used to cia funding.

well its long debate but stop seeing things which west you to believe on think about feeling of those who lying their lives, can you think of suiside for a reason? of so what reason could make you to die?

they are not all brainwashed... but people suffered from brutality of others and those who think they will not get justice anywhere... only then you can think of taking your revenge by blowing yourself.

Sufi Mohammed is not the leader of the Taliban, MUllah Fazlullah and the various commanders in Swat are. Sufi Mohammed only leads the TNSM, which is the organization that entered into an agreement with the government, he has little sway with the Taliban, as can be seen from their actions since the peace deal.

I have given you very specific instances, all reported in multiple Pakistani papers, that show how the Taliban violated the peace deal, and I posed a simple question to you: If the peace deal was contingent on the Taliban disarming and peace in the area, then in the light of the mentioned incidents, why should Zardari sign the agreement?

 

[All-Green]

please stop blaming like western media everything on taliban. do you have any proof that taliban are destablising the deal when their leader Mulana Sufi was there doing his best to keep peace and lived there among them?

and can you defferentiate between 80's jihadis and now taliban (which are know and terrorists but then were funded but US)

whoever they are, all they want is kick the intruders out of their land and live in peace, Taliban inforced peace when they were ruling in afghnistan and thats the only time in recent history afghan were in peace. except few war lords jumping around.

west alwasy blam poppy cultivation on taliban but now british troops protecting the big farm there so it can be used to cia funding.

well its long debate but stop seeing things which west you to believe on think about feeling of those who lying their lives, can you think of suiside for a reason? of so what reason could make you to die?

they are not all brainwashed... but people suffered from brutality of others and those who think they will not get justice anywhere... only then you can think of taking your revenge by blowing yourself.

Just a friendly piece of advice, you may want to see the posts of various members here to ascertain their intellect and their patriotism.
There are many here who love Pakistan with all their heart and have quite an extensive knowledge of the various factors which have lead to the situation at hand.

Raw emotions without completely understanding what we are facing will not get us anywhere.

TTP has exclusively targeted Pakistani Army, civilians and infrastructure.
Pray tell me which foreign invaders are they targeting?
Last time i checked Swat is part of Pakistan proper and FATA comes under federal government as well.

While most of us do not rule out some foreign involvement in terms of funding, that does not mean we do not tackle the beast at large we are all aware of!

What form of extreme desperation and destitute was there in Swat and tribal areas compared to the decades old battlefield that is Afghanistan?
By what right do the TTP exert themselves upon Pakistan?
There is no comparison between Pakistan and the battle scarred Afghanistan.

Pakistan needs slow reforms with active participation of the people but never ever has it sunk so low as to deserve a regime like Taliban whose credentials are executing their opponents with ruthless efficiency, they are good at that no doubt and if that is what is needed then truly they are best suited for the job.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

well i cannot argue with you anyfuther if you think people being killed in NWFP are different from those in swat or anywhere else in pakistan or around the globe.

for me every muslim is brother, but not thoes who were just named and being told by their parents that they are muslim.

Point being that the Swat Taliban did not take up arms because of the drone strikes - the drone strikes were not even occurring at that time.

What is absurd is if every Mohallah gang picks up weapons and goes on a killing spree, and then demands Shariah because someone was killed in Palestine.

That is basically the argument you are making.

 

[sherdil76]

So in your dictionary does intruders also include the Pakistani army? What about Saudi's and Uzbeks who are a part of Taliban, why don't they kick themselves out

lol... must be joking,
man you must learn about Islamic ideology of brotherhood... BTW way if thats the case, what do you think about NATO then

as i said for any muslim, every muslim (not those who have just muslims names) is brother and thats what we believe on and that is why all muslim around the world (except few black sheeps) condemn what is going on against muslims

 

[AchtungSpitfire]

Its great, but I'm interested to know whats the plan? I had a feeling that the government was going to give clinching Swat back from the extremists another try.

Godspeed. These people will never stop asking for their lb of flesh.

 

[sherdil76]

Point being that the Swat Taliban did not take up arms because of the drone strikes - the drone strikes were not even occurring at that time.

What is absurd is if every Mohallah gang picks up weapons and goes on a killing spree, and then demands Shariah because someone was killed in Palestine.

That is basically the argument you are making.

sorry mate, but thats not what i meant, please read carefully and learn about the history of sawt people and factualy reality of whats going on in afghan and western front of pakistan. how things are getting out of control which is helping others to achieve their grand strategic objectives.

 

[rahgup]

lol... must be joking,
man you must learn about Islamic ideology of brotherhood... BTW way if thats the case, what do you think about NATO then

I have great respect for Islam's concept of brotherhood. I think its one of the strongest points of the religion. What I want to understand is that the PA is also muslim, then why is your support directed only towards TTP.

as I said for any muslim, every muslim (not those who have just muslims names) is brother and thats what we believe on and that is why all muslim around the world (except few black sheeps) condemn what is going on against muslims

My question is whom will you support when both the belligerants are muslim, e.g. Chad-Libya war, Iran-Iraq war, Mauritania-Senegal war, etc. According to me the country & the ethnicity comes before religion. So if FATA & SWAT are part of pakistan then they would do what Islamabad says, so the TTP is not pakistani in the first place they are against Pakistan.