Su-30MK2 vs. F-18 Super Hornet: What is the best?

[BladeMaster]

then dont claim im wrong, or this other guy is wrong, if you have nothing to back it up either

 

[dbc]

the Flanker in all current variants kinematically outclasses the Super Hornet in all high performance flight regimes. The only near term advantage the latest Super Hornets have over legacy Flanker variants is in the APG-79 AESA and radar signature reduction features, an advantage which will not last long given highly active ongoing development effort in these areas. The supercruising Al-41F engine will further widen the performance gap in favour of the Flanker. What this means is that post 2010 the Super Hornet is uncompetitive against advanced Flankers in BVR combat, as it is now uncompetitive in close combat.

then dont claim im wrong, or this other guy is wrong, if you have nothing to back it up either

I didn't say you or Dr Kopp are wrong, I merely seek tangible evidence that support claims made by both you and Dr Kopp.

 

[Manticore]

diameter of the radar dome -rough estimate
F-18 => ~700mm (APG-65, APG-73, APG-79 families)
SU-27/30 => ~1000 mm (N001, N010 [924mm antenna ver], N011 faimilies)

RCS (m2)
Su-MKI =4
F-18= 1

Radar Ranges
F-18 APG-65 ~72 km ~ 150 km
TWS of 10 targets at 74 km. HUD acquistion auto lock at ~9 km.
F-18 APG-73 (APG-65 x 1.2) 85 km ~180 km
Su-27 110 km 240 km max


TWR
1.16 - Su-30MKK
1.15 - F/A-18E/F

 

[GareebNawaz]

^^ I can assure you no one wants Australia for anything except some natural resources and frankly your country is not worth going to war over. Neither do you posess a threat to anyone , nor will anyone really take the effort to have war against you, because apparently attacking Australia is the equivalent of declaring war on USA.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

what is the real rcs of mki 4 or 10 ?

what is clean configuration ?

with out any weapon or with minimum weapon ?

 

[below_freezing]

reaaaally??

y could of sed that in ww2 then the japanese invaded

right above us, there is indonesia, they have a army of 400+ thousand soldiers, they are bolstering their air force in a big way... if they do and we dont, they will have air superiority in the region, currently we do

indonesia teaches their kids in school, that australia belongs to them, even though they have never settled here or anything

relations are improving between our countrys... but in the end, they are a muslim country with th e believe that they own our country

china is also a threat... and even though we stand no chance against china alone, at least on our own shores, we can hold our own

are you insane? indonesia wants to conquer australia?!

 

[Skull and Bones]

what is the real rcs of mki 4 or 10 ?

what is clean configuration ?

with out any weapon or with minimum weapon ?

The clean configuration RCS of MKIs are somewhat around 10-13 sqm, and the loaded RCS is around 20sqm.
These are from internet sources and the validity of these data are highly dubious.

 

[Chogy]

It comes down to avionics and weapons. Until there is a conflict that demonstrates the efficacy of the Su man-avionics-missiles interface, I'd have to go with the Hornet. Real combat is very, very different from shooting missiles at target drones.

It is like matching a street fighter who has frequent bloody fights with a guy who works out, looks good, but never entered the ring. Really, it's almost impossible to say what the result will be.

 

[amalakas]

It comes down to avionics and weapons. Until there is a conflict that demonstrates the efficacy of the Su man-avionics-missiles interface, I'd have to go with the Hornet. Real combat is very, very different from shooting missiles at target drones.

It is like matching a street fighter who has frequent bloody fights with a guy who works out, looks good, but never entered the ring. Really, it's almost impossible to say what the result will be.

I will not disagree.
I just want to ask, which substantial airforce has the F18 (or any us plane for that matter) ever flown against ?

unless you deem the iraki and serbian airforces substantial.

 

[Storm Force]

Indians have just finished 6 months of testing F18 super hornets for MMRCA competition.

Their (iaf) current benchmark fighter is the SU30MKI.


iN ONE MONTH if the indians pick the sh/f18 as the winner we all get the answer to this debate.

 

[below_freezing]

I will not disagree.
I just want to ask, which substantial airforce has the F18 (or any us plane for that matter) ever flown against ?

unless you deem the iraki and serbian airforces substantial.

Though not substantial, there was Vietnam, against Vietnamese Air Force with Soviet/Chinese SAMs/AAA and Chinese SAM/AA crews.

The end result?

Aircraft losses of the Vietnam War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3000 fixed wing aircraft and 5000 helicopters downed.

The resultant humiliation forced the USAF to retire the F-105 and develop 3rd gen planes.

 

[Luftwaffe]

With the introduction of SU-35, SU-30 variants will inherit much of it according their Air Force needs. I would not thumbs down SU-30 on the basis of red flag exe or any other word coming from american marketers, F-18's avionics are potent so are the MKIs..

I'd have to go with the Hornet. Real combat is very, very different from shooting missiles at target drones.
Irrelevant, if referring to SU series/mki for shooting missiles at xyz so does F-18 what is the point in posting ^

never enter the rings applies to F-35/F-22 as well LAMO to the post, bravo amalaks.

 

[Manticore]

what is the real rcs of mki 4 or 10 ?

what is clean configuration ?

with out any weapon or with minimum weapon ?

Radar Cross Section (RCS)

 

[Manticore]

The base radar formula used is (RCS1/RCS2)^0.25. So the F-16C reduced RCS is 1.2 m2, standard fighter is 5 m2. (1.2/5)^0.25 = 0.69.
F-18E, Rafale 0.75 m2 fighter x 0.62 Situation Awareness

 

[Chogy]

I will not disagree.
I just want to ask, which substantial airforce has the F18 (or any us plane for that matter) ever flown against ?

unless you deem the iraki and serbian airforces substantial.

I refer again to the man-avionics-radar-missile interface. The Hornet isn't shaped like an F-15 or F-16 (obviously) but the overall weapons system, the radar, its signal, PRF, frequency, combined with the proven performance of the AIM-9 and AIM-120, imply that an AIM-120 shot from an F-18 will be as effective as an AIM-120 shot from an F-15. Same with the AIM-9. I'm looking at it as a weapons system, not as an individual platform.