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well the problem is many of those people in above article (let say a very large many) are Iranian that are stolen by some people and called Arab

NOTHING PERSONAL, BUT WHO DID SPREAD ISLAM!
Persians contributed a whole lot, but to say what you are saying is going beyond logic and historical facts.
Some like ibn sina were mixed Arab-Persian, but the fact is in Islam there were no differences between Arabi, Ajami or persian,only in the amount of faith, and every Muslim was considered as a full citizen of the Ummah and he could live anywhere he choose to within its frontiers and had equal rights to education, commerce or whatever endeavour he choose to pursue, hence many Persians and others were able to contribute in all fields of life.

See post #130 for a better understanding.
 
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I've always wondered why Jews have never founded a strong empire/civilization with even with their 5000 year history? History shows they just run between Christian and Islamic empires, whichever one has the upper hand. A

btw I do not consider the Khazars a Jewish civilisation since they were already well established before the ruling elite decided to convert.

Too much trouble in their area to even start an empire. Furthermore, their population is less than that of christians and muslims
 
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Too much trouble in their area to even start an empire. Furthermore, their population is less than that of christians and muslims

Judaism is alot older than both Christianity and Islam, think in terms that they had a long head start. Call me anti-Semitic but I think Jewish culture is about conspiring with other Jews to exploit the Gentile under his nose?
 
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Judaism is alot older than both Christianity and Islam, think in terms that they had a long head start. Call me anti-Semitic but I think Jewish culture is about conspiring with other Jews to exploit the Gentile under his nose?

They had to deal with
Romans, egyptians, persians, arabs, greeks, alexender, before the two religion came about.

Nah, they are just very smart people. We are all wary of smart people :)
 
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Your history seems weak. Aryans came in 1500BC, Buddhism founded in some 600BC in Magadha, first Ajatashatru(for his beloved Amrapaali of Vaishali), then Mauryas and Palas patronized Buddhism but Buddhism survived in Eastern India till 12th Century because of Pala patronized them. It was Bakhtiyar Khilji who gave final blow to Buddhism, he massacred so many monks, put Monastries on fire and destroyed Nalanda University, There were also 4 large monasteries in Bangladesh which was destroyed by him(I don't remember the name). Bihar got its name from word "Vihar or Vihara" means Buddhist Monastery.

The difference you see in Hindi is because of Persian loanwords otherwise we still use Sanskrit based vocabulary in our poetry and literature. Bengali uses more Sanskrit based words than Hindi because it was least affected by outsiders.

I know what you are saying. But all i am saying is that nepali sounds very similary to bangla, more so than hindi and urdu. There must be a reason behind it.
bro, do you have any books you can suggest about the history of the subcontinent?

They had to deal with
Romans, egyptians, persians, arabs, greeks, alexender, before the two religion came about.

Nah, they are just very smart people. We are all wary of smart people :)

everywhere the jews went they conspired, and tried to have strong inluence with the big daddy. Hadrian destroyed Judea due to that and Hadrian's rule during the Roman empire was the most people. I wonder why jews never had an empire, such a long history but no empire. They have had great scientists and scholars, but not a single empire.
 
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What you are telling the story about? Ummayyad Empire had zero science?
Are you ok? :rofl:
Ummayyad Empire was the leader in science and art...!!!
Here list of Muslim scientists:

List of Muslim scientists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All are after 750 AD.

I guess it wasn't the Abbasid Caliphate that created the golden age of Islam.... Oh wait...

@500, Abbasids were Arab actually....
Abbasids were Arabs but with very strong Persian influence. Almost all their viziers were Persians and they often had more power than califs themselves.
 
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I know what you are saying. But all i am saying is that nepali sounds very similary to bangla, more so than hindi and urdu. There must be a reason behind it.
bro, do you have any books you can suggest about the history of the subcontinent?



everywhere the jews went they conspired, and tried to have strong inluence with the big daddy. Hadrian destroyed Judea due to that and Hadrian's rule during the Roman empire was the most people. I wonder why jews never had an empire, such a long history but no empire. They have had great scientists and scholars, but not a single empire.

Nepali and bangla sounds similar, cause we are geographically far away from iran, thus less persian influence unlike hindi or urdu.

Aww come on, thats just demonizing the jews. Anyway, i posted already that, too much violence in that area to even start an empire
 
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I know what you are saying. But all i am saying is that nepali sounds very similary to bangla, more so than hindi and urdu. There must be a reason behind it.
bro, do you have any books you can suggest about the history of the subcontinent?

I read history from different sources, I can't name any specific one. And Nepalese are immediate neighbor of Bengalis in the North may be the reason for that.
 
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Ummayyad Empire had almost zero science. All Muslim science started with Abbasids (Persians).

and

Here list of Muslim scientists:

List of Muslim scientists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All are after 750 AD.


Abbasids were Arabs but with very strong Persian influence. Almost all their viziers were Persians and they often had more power than califs themselves.


Spare me of the retarded conspiracy of Zionist hatred against Muslims, Allah(swt), Prophet Mohammid(Pbuh), Noble Quran and Islam

Wiki is not a reliable sources about Science and Islam, Especially when you have people who are paid to go and make lies against Islam

http://arabcrunch.com/2011/09/under...-propaganda-did-it-favor-jewish-startups.html

Get yourself educated:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3342750741448358648#docid=7208621665844585292

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX3UHNhQ1Zk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejoIgFsmqxA&feature=related


We understand your hatred against Islam No need to turn facts Upside down
 
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then lets call it for what it is: an idea. because that's what a "theory" without evidence is. god i hate lawyers and journalists.

A theory need experiments? Haha, and you are studying at the university of California? Audio is right. A theory doesn't need experiments. You just demonstrated your lack of knowledge. How pathetic is that. I'm studying at the University of Amsterdam. A respected university.
 
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Are you Serious about that Bold Part, Abbasids are not Persians, They are the Branch of Quraish (Arabians).. :Wat:
I know about them Cuz I'm ..,Ummm ... Leave it.. :)
Abbasid Caliphate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wat a shame it is, Iranians are claiming Abbasid as their originated tribe... :Bad:

I don't recall i ever said Abbasid had Persian route ,but I recall I said we put them on the power and we changed their kings
at our will and also I recall I said at the time we had our dynasties and they didn't rule over Iran .
about Islamic Golden Age yes it was not at the time of Ommayed but at the time of Abbassid and Ilkhans
and after that all was decline except a small spark at the beginning of Safavid Dynasty and the same time in
Ottman empire .
 
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from wiki...as im hard pressed to find better sources...they lost in the end this battle but learned how to combat elephants.

Again, Hannibal had at most 80 elephants in that battle. The Romans successfully used anti-elephant tactics against them. But you can't use anti-elephant tactics against several thousand elephants.
 
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Please post list of Muslim scientists pre 750 AD. From any source u wish.

No no go and provide links other than Wiki I think I said that first . STop spreading LIes .
 
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NOTHING PERSONAL, BUT WHO DID SPREAD ISLAM!

What have the spread of Islam have to do with science? You spread Islam from the Arabian peninsula, but you must remember that the Persians spread their form of Islam to many eastern countries and the Turkic people.

Persians contributed a whole lot, but to say what you are saying is going beyond logic and historical facts.

No, I can give you a strong statement: Persians contributed the most to science and scholarship. Every historian is agreeing with me, while you and your Arab brothers on this site are giving weak arguments to claim that the Persians who contributed to Islamic science have to thank the Arabs for that or that those Persian in facts were Arabs. Thats beyond madness. No respected historian in the world will supporting this kind of nonsense claims and even Arab historians, like Ibn Khaldun, gave most credit to the Persians. Should I quote him again?

''Thus the founders of grammar were Sibawaih and after him, al-Farisi and Az-Zajjaj. All of them were of Persian descent…they invented rules of (Arabic) grammar…great jurists were Persians… only the Persians engaged in the task of preserving knowledge and writing systematic scholarly works. Thus the truth of the statement of the prophet becomes apparent, 'If learning were suspended in the highest parts of heaven the Persians would attain it"…The intellectual sciences were also the preserve of the Persians, left alone by the Arabs, who did not cultivate them…as was the case with all crafts…This situation continued in the cities as long as the Persians and Persian countries, Iraq, Khorasan and Transoxiana (modern Central Asia), retained their sedentary culture.''

''The Arabs dominate only of the plains, because they are, by their savage nature, people of pillage and corruption. They pillage everything that they can take without fighting or taking risks, then flee to their refuge in the wilderness, and do not stand and do battle unless in self-defense. So when they encounter any difficulty or obstacle, they leave it alone and look for easier prey. And tribes well-fortified against them on the slopes of the hills escape their corruption and destruction, because they prefer not to climb hills, nor expend effort, nor take risks.''

Some like ibn sina were mixed Arab-Persian, but the fact is in Islam there were no differences between Arabi, Ajami or persian,only in the amount of faith, and every Muslim was considered as a full citizen of the Ummah and he could live anywhere he choose to within its frontiers and had equal rights to education, commerce or whatever endeavour he choose to pursue, hence many Persians and others were able to contribute in all fields of life.

No, Avicenna wasn't mixed Arab. That kind of claims are laughable and not supported by any historian in the world. Maybe in Islam their were no difference between Ajams and Arab, not entirely true if you looke at the time of Omar and his anti-Persian rules, but the Persians clearly saw them different than the Arabs who conquered them. They never named themselves Arabs.

Here, just translated this to English:

The first scientists in the Islamic world were mostly Persians, Christians, Jews, and even Berbers who first translated Greek works into Farsi for the and record and then to the mandatory language of the elite, Arabic. One can not really speak of Arabic nor Islamic sciences but of the Sciences in the countries of Islam. That is also the original title of the book of A.Youschkevitch, one of the leading specialists in that field. Also the term "Islamic scholars" is a generalization not justified for those scientists and above were still mostly recent converts who where not so practical with their new religion.

The most important contribution indeed found in Baghdad but rather must be seen clearly in the light of the government of Al-Mamun, the seventh caliph. This enlightened ruler accepted the doctrine of Moetazilieten thereby founded the house of Wisdom (Bayt Al Hikma) in which scientists from all origins to the Greek, Persian, Indian and Chinese work on an industrial scale translated. The moetazilieten, now by the new Muslim philosophers as relievers in Islam considered, among other things, had decided that the top reason is the belief that the Koran was created or uncreated but Allah and that the free will of man would allow. These three elements were later denounced by the fundamentalists as respect and so it remained until today.

The failure of this scientific activity in the Islamic world is often unfair to the invasion of the crusaders and the Mongols assigned, but it is mainly due to the fact that already ensure the vast majority of the population was forcibly converted to Islam so that the scientific research stagnated. The converts risked to devote themselves less to statements that contradict could be with their new religion. In the Quran its written that the sun every evening descends into a pool, which no scholar would ever dare to claim that the earth around the sun draait. In 1975 was an Imam in Saudi Arabia by a fatwa that the earth was flat and contradiction had to be punished with death. In the field of astronomy, the study indeed focused primarily towards the holy city of Mecca easy to find the correct daily prayers can be conducted. The refinements to the model of Ptolemy have not allowed them heliocentrism (the earth revolves around the sun) to re-discover, because he was already known by the Hindus in the 8th century BC. and by the Greek Aristarchus of Samos in the 3rd eeeuw BC. And there is as yet no scientific evidence that Copernicus was aware of or influenced by the techniques of Al-Tusi, on the contrary (Toby E. Hoff, 2003). That heliocentrism was not discovered in the Islamic world is also called to "thank" the fact that the Koran is there a greater restriction to freedom of thought went beyond the West. Even Galileo Galilei said, after he had to abjure the heliocentric theory by pressure from the church, "and yet she plays." They will never to the Dutch fysikus Lorentz developing the theory of relativity Einstein assign, for he had the impact of its formulas on this new theory at least, self-discovery.

''Persian-speaking Iranians made great contributions in the formation of Islamic intellectual history. A great portion (and most of the best) of medieval Muslim philosophers, physicians, ethicists, scientists, Islamic jurists, historians, and geographers were Persian-speaking Iranians. [....] A great many medieval islamic contributions to economic analysis, I will argue, were made by Persian-speaking Iranians writers: philosophers, ethicist, scientists, theologians and the writers of ''mirror of princes.''

I can't take you serious: you posted yesterday a article about Arab science with almost only Persian names. You just go back to school.

The only conclusion we can give is that the Persians contributed the most to Islamic science, that science in Islam only was stimulated by a liberal-islamic school of Islam, fundamentalist later destroyed this school, and that the degeneration of science in Iran and other countries in Islam were just because of Islam. Fundamentalist Arabs threaded often the scientist who you now see as Arab, while their clearly were non-Arab liberal Persians.
 
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