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The Abbasid Empire were Arabs. Every single one of them.
and all their great ministers were Persian , and their caliphs come to power with the help of Iranian
and when ever Iranian wanted changed their caliphs and it was at this time that Iran made its dynasties
and it was at the time of those dynasties that Islamic golden Age showed itself .
Abbasid Dynasties was by chance at the time of those dynasties which were contributing to Islamic golden age
 
All Muslims should be united all around the world Though its not possible for the non muslims. They r making so many division between us so that they can take everything from us.
 
Abbasids were Arabs but with very strong Persian influence. Almost all their viziers were Persians and they often had more power than califs themselves.
and all their great ministers were Persian , and their caliphs come to power with the help of Iranian
and when ever Iranian wanted changed their caliphs and it was at this time that Iran made its dynasties
and it was at the time of those dynasties that Islamic golden Age showed itself .
Abbasid Dynasties was by chance at the time of those dynasties which were contributing to Islamic golden age
Nonsense. You can't change history.
 
I'm speaking for a great portion of the Iranian people. I don't give a damn what Iran today is called or what those rigged non-democratic elections in Iran showed. Persians have accepted only THEIR form of islam and they never accepted Arabs. Thats quite a difference.

You show me if the Arabs could manage what the Iranian people did. And Mesopotamia, Egypt are not Arab lands. Their are the lands of Coptic people and Akkadians/Sumerians, etc.

The Iranic/Iranian people ruled more than 1000 years in the Middle-East and Central-Asia:

Median empire:

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Persian empire:

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Parthian empire:

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Sassanid empire:

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Scythians:

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Maybe highly of Islamic civilization, but not on Arabs. He doesn't mention Arab civilization at all, so don't make things like that up on yourself.



You can start with quoting respected historians and not some irrelevant Pan-Arabist who in all their blindness can't see that something like Arab civilization never existed. I can name you great cities like Rome, Athene and Persepolis. I challenge you to name one great ancient city build by Arabs.

Do not challenge here please, you will loose:

I would like to shed some more light on the origin of the Arabs, some facts confirm that there was an Arab civilisation prior to islam here are the facts:

1. The Arabs’ Semitic(some say Aryan who adopted the Semitic language) ancestors in the Fertile Crescent and Egypt produced 5 brilliant ancient civilizations, which benefited the earliest Western civilizations of Greece and Rome. These 5 are: the Iraqi Sumerian and Babylonian civilizations; the Egyptian Pharaonic civilization; the Lebanese Phoenician civilization; and the Palestinian Canaanite civilization.

2. The 3 Semitic religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam were all born in the Arab region.

3. The Post-Islamic Arab civilization contributed handsomely to the European Renaissance.

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Arab Civilization before Islam

Contrary to some popular Western misconceptions propagated by many Western "experts" and "authorities" on the Arab world alleging that Arabs did not have any civilization before Islam, or that Arabs were nothing more than a collection of nomadic warring primitive tribes, confined solely to the Arabian Peninsula, who spent most of their existence looking for food and water, the historical record proves otherwise. In fact, centuries before the birth of Islam, the Arabs had several civilizations, not only in the Arabian Peninsula itself, but also in the Fertile Crescent, some of which were highly advanced with elaborate development and culture. Although Arab civilization before Islam might not have had a noticeable impact on Greece and Rome, it is nonetheless important to briefly mention here the following pre-Islamic Arab civilizations in order to dispel this wrong conventional Western notion that Arabs had no civilization before the birth of Islam, were nothing but wandering nomads, and were confined only to the Arabian Peninsula.

1

The Kingdom of Saba (or Sheba)

One of the earliest and most important of all pre-Islamic Arab civilizations is the Qahtani Kingdom of Saba or Sheba (10th century BCE – 7th century CE), which had an elaborate civilization, legendary in its reputation of prosperity and wealth. The Kingdom of Saba was located in the southwestern mountainous rainy parts of the Arabian Peninsula in what is known today as the regions of Aseer and Yemen. Envious of its wealth, the Romans named it “Arabia Felix” (fortunate or prosperous Arabia).

The Sabaean capital, Ma'rib, was located near San'a, today's capital of Yemen, which was reportedly founded by Noah's eldest son Shem (or "Sam" in Arabic) from whose name the word "Sami" in Arabic or "Semitic" in English comes. In addition to their domains in the Arabian Penisula, the Sabaean kings controlled for a long time some parts of the East African coast across the Red Sea where they established the Kingdom of Abyssinia, which is Eritrea today. It should be indicated here that the name “Abyssinia” comes from the Arabic word “Habashah”. One of the most famous rulers of the Sabaeans was Queen Balgais. This mystic Arab Queen of Sheba was well known for her beauty, grace, wealth, charm, and splendor. She reportedly had a famous impassioned encounter with the Hebrew King Solomon when she took a special trip to Jerusalem

The Sabaean Kingdom produced and traded in spices, Arabian frankincense, myrrh, and other Arabian aromatics. The Sabaeans excelled in agriculture and had a remarkable irrigation system with terraced mountains, incredible huge water tunnels in mountains and great dams including the legendary Ma'rib Dam, which was built around 2000 BCE. This Arab dam was considered to be one of the greatest technological wonders of the ancient world. However, the tragic breaking of the Ma'rib Dam around 575, as indicated in the Qur'an, was an event of very traumatic proportions in the collective consciousness of all Arabs at the time and of later generations.

2

The Kingdom of Himyar

The Arab Kingdom of Himyar (115 BCE to 525 CE), which was also located in the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula, had a sizable number of Arab Christians and Arab Jews (not Hebrews). The most prominent Arab Jew of this kingdom was King Dhu al-Nuwas who persecuted his Arab Christian subjects. He reportedly incinerated some of them alive in retaliation for their persecution of Arab Jews in neighboring Arab Christian Najran.

From their capital city, first at Zafar and later at San'a, the powerful Himyarite kings executed military plans which resulted in the expansion of their domains at times eastward as far as the Persian Gulf and northward into the Arabian Desert. However, internal disorder and the changing of trade routes eventually caused the kingdom to suffer political and economic decline. In fact, after several unsuccessful attempts, the African Abyssinians finally invaded the Arab Himyarite Kingdom in 525. In 570, the year Prophet Mohammad was born, the Abyssinian governor Abraha sent an army of elephant-borne troops in an unsuccessful attempt to attack the city of Makkah (Mecca) and destroy its Ka'bah. In 575 the Persians invaded Himyar and ended the Abyssinian presence in Himyar. But the Persians did not last long there either. Soon thereafter Islam swept the entire Arabian Peninsula.

3

The Nabataean Kingdom

The Arab Nabataean Kingdom was established in the 6th century BCE. It was located south of the Dead Sea and along the eastern shores of the Gulf of Aqaba in the northern parts of the Hejaz. The Nabataeans had their capital city in Petra that was a flourishing center of commerce and civilization. The Nabataeans’ great achievements and culture are still echoed in the magnificent carved-in-the-mountains monuments they left behind. Thousands of tourists from all over the world are attracted every year to this Arab region to see these monuments not only at Petra in Jordan but also in Saudi Arabia's Mada'in Salih (i.e., Prophet Salih who warned the Thamud Arab Kingdom to worship Allah before the birth of Prophet Mohammad). The small Arab neighboring Kingdoms of Ad, Thamud, and Lihyan - all also with brilliant monuments and achievements mentioned in the Qu'ran - came under the Nabataean suzerainty for a while.

The Arab Nabataean Kingdom, which at its zenith ruled much of the Syrian interior including Damascus, later became a vassal Roman state and eventually fell victim to European colonialism when it was absorbed into the Roman Empire as the "Provincia Arabia" in 195 CE. In fact, the Roman Emperor Philip, who ruled from 244 to 249, was ethnically an Arab from this Arab Nabataean region. Incidentally, this Roman Emperor who was known as "Philip the Arab", was preceded to the Palatine Hill in Rome by a series of Arab empresses, half-Arab emperors, and the fully Arab Elagabulus of Emesa. It is also believed by some scholars that Philip the Arab was really the first Roman Christian emperor (244-249 CE) rather than Constantine I who ruled the Roman Empire (312-337 CE) 63 years after him.

4

The Kingdom of Tadmor (or Palmyra)

Another important Arab civilization before Islam was the famous Kingdom of Palmyra (or Tadmor in Arabic), which is now Hims in Syria. Although mentioned in some history books as early as the 9th century BCE, Tadmor became only prominent in the 3rd century BCE when it controlled the vital trade route between Mesopotamia and the Mediterranean. The Tadmorians had a great civilization and excelled in international trade. However, like the Nabataeans, they eventually came under the control of the expanding Roman imperialism by becoming another client Arab state of Rome.

In 265 the Tadmorian Arab King Udhayna (or Odenathus) was rewarded by the Romans to become a vice-emperor of the Roman Empire because of his assistance in their war against Persia. However, King Udhayna's widow Zainab (aka az-Zabba or Zenobia), the famous strong Arab queen wanted nothing less for Palmyra than a complete independence from Rome. She succeeded in temporarily driving the Roman invaders out of most of the Fertile Crescent and proclaimed her son Wahballat (or Athenodorus) to be the true emperor of a new independent Arab Palmyra. Queen Zainab's Arabian independent spirit, however, deeply angered the Romans and eventually resulted in the destruction of the Tadmorian Kingdom in 273 by a powerful force of the Roman imperial army. As part of the Roman victory celebration, queen Zainab was brutally taken to Rome in golden chains.

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The Kingdom of Kindah

Kindat al-Muluk (or the Royal Kindah) was a famous Arab kingdom, which originated in the southern Arabian Peninsula near Yemen's Hadramawt region. Its capital city, al-Fau, was excavated northeast of Najran in Saudi Arabia in 1972 by Saudi archaeologists from King Saud University in Riyadh. The Kingdom of Kindah became prominent around the late 5th and early 6th centuries CE when it made one of the earliest and successful efforts to unite several Arab tribes under its new domain in Najd in central Arabia.

The traditional founder and ruler of Kindah was Hujr Akil al-Murar. However, the most renowned of all Kindah kings was al-Harith ibn Amr, Hujr's grandson, who extended his kingdom's domain north by invading Iraq and temporarily capturing al-Hirah, the capital city of the Arab Christian Kingdom of Lakhmid. But in 529 al-Hirah was liberated by its Christian Arabs who killed King al-Harith along with 50 members of his family. After al-Harith's death, the Kindah Kingdom split up into four factions - Asad, Taghlib, Kinanah, and Qays - each led by a prince. The famous pre-Islamic Arab poet Imru' al-Qays (who died around 540) was the prince of Qays. The continuing feuding between these Arab factions, however, eventually forced the Kindah princes by the middle of the 6th century to withdraw to their original place in southern Arabia next to Yemen. Nevertheless, after Islam was established throughout the Arabian Peninsula, many descendants of the Royal Kindah continued to hold powerful political positions within the Islamic state. In fact, one branch of the Royal Kindah was even successful in gaining great political influence in far away Arab Andalusia in the European Iberian Peninsula.

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The Kingdom of Lakhmid

The Arab Christian Kingdom of Lakhmid, which originated in the 3rd century CE, reached the height of its power during the 6th century under King al-Munthir III (503-554). Its domain covered from the western shores of the Persian Gulf all the way north to Iraq where its capital city, al-Hira, was located on the Euphrates River near present day Kufah. Working in close cooperation with the Zoroastrian Persian Sasanian Empire to which the Lakhmid Kingdom was a vassal state, al-Munthir III raided and frequently challenged the pro-Byzantine Arab Kingdom of Ghassan in Syria. His son King Amr Ibn Hind was patron of the legendary Arab poet Tarfah Ibn al-Abd and other poets associated with the seven Mu'allaqat (the Suspended Odes") of pre-Islamic Arabia (see "The Jahiliyyah" below). The Lakhmid dynasty eventually disintegrated after the death of its great Arab Christian King an-Nu'man III in 602.

7

The Kingdom of Ghassan

As the Lakhmid Arab Kingdom was Christian so was its Arab neighbor to the west, the Kingdom of Ghassan, whose capital city was Damascus. This Syrian Ghassanid Kingdom was prominent in the 6th century and was an ally of the Byzantine Empire. It protected the vital spice trade route from the south of the Arabian Peninsula and also acted as a buffer against the desert bedouins.

The Ghassanid King al-Harith Ibn Jabalah (reigned 529-569), who was a Monophysite Christian, supported the Christian Byzantine Empire against the Zoroastrian Sasanian Persian Empire and successfully opposed the Arab Kingdom of Lakhmids, which sided with Persians. As a result, King al-Harith was given the title of “Patricius” by the Byzantine emperor Justinian.

Like the Lakhmids, the Ghassanids patronized the arts and many literary geniuses such as al-Nabighah al-Thubyani and Hassan Ibn Thabit. Great Arab poets like them were frequently entertained in the royal courts of the Ghassanid kings. After the emergence of Islam in the 7th century, most inhabitants of the Kingdom of Ghassan became Muslim. One of the most prominent poets of the Kingdom of Ghassan was Hassan Ibn Thabit. Ibn Thabit, who espoused Islam, wrote several famous and beautiful poems in praise of Prophet Mohammad.
 
Richard N. Frye felt that Persian civilization was under-appreciated by other Muslims, and Arab Muslims in particular. Frye wrote:



This quote says it all.


The quote is false, since the Islamic civilisation was based on the Arabic language, the language of Al Kuran .
 
Theory doesn't need experiments. At least not in this sense, maybe you are confusing it with scientific theories..
In history pretty much everything is theory with no experiments apart from the few remains we can find that give a glimpse into lives long ago.

Archaeology is very advanced today and the findings are enormous, astonishing, mind boggling, and changing history as we know it today backed by scientific facts and proofs.
 
Nonsense. You can't change history.
yes the history can't be changed .
this show who brought Abbasid to power. Abu Muslim Khorasani
and this link show that Iran after 821 was not under the control of Abbasid. Muslim dynasties of Iran
and this one show the relation between Iranian dynasties and Abbasid . Buyid dynasty

and you claim it was not Iranian who changed Amin with Mamoon and it was not Iranian who made al-Musta'in to reside in favor of al-Mu'tazz
and you are going to deny the fact that at the time of Buyid dynasty they were the true ruler of Abbasid not the caliph . and are you denying the downfall of Abbasid begin when Haaroon-Al rashid killed Barmakian
 
A theory need experiments? Haha, and you are studying at the university of California? Audio is right. A theory doesn't need experiments. You just demonstrated your lack of knowledge. How pathetic is that. I'm studying at the University of Amsterdam. A respected university.

A theory is backed by experiments and proof. Einstein's theory of relativity was backed by atomic clock time dilation measurements, laser rangefinding to the moon and measurement of light deflection by the sun during total solar eclipses. A theory without proof is just an idea or at best, a definition. Chau had an idea, and made a definition; that is not a theory.

This is a theory in social sciences/history: Kondratiev wave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Backed by statistical data.

And you're studying at University of Amsterdam? Probably a liberal arts major.
 
and all their great ministers were Persian , and their caliphs come to power with the help of Iranian
and when ever Iranian wanted changed their caliphs and it was at this time that Iran made its dynasties
and it was at the time of those dynasties that Islamic golden Age showed itself .
Abbasid Dynasties was by chance at the time of those dynasties which were contributing to Islamic golden age

Its funny how some members here are able of delusionizing even themelves.
 
Its funny how some members here are able of delusionizing even themelves.
Instead of saying bs,why don't you try proving otherwise what he said?
Why can't you accept history?What are you after?You want everyone accept that Arabs were the best,Arabs did everything and other bs?This is not gonna happen,because history is what has happened,not what is going to happen.
 
The Sumerians/Akkadians in Mesopotamia, the Coptic in Egypt and the Phoenicians of Lebanon weren't Arabs. You can't find one historian in the world who will acknowledge that. And for 'The SC': the Arab kingdoms you mention got nothing on the Persians, Greeks or Romans. You can not name one great invention of those kingdoms nor they build cities like Persepolis, Rome and Athene. Those Arab kingdoms are just like those small irrelevant kingdoms of Africa.

The Persians & Greeks: Crash Course World History #5 - YouTube
 
The Sumerians/Akkadians in Mesopotamia, the Coptic in Egypt and the Phoenicians of Lebanon weren't Arabs. You can't find one historian in the world who will acknowledge that. And for 'The SC': the Arab kingdoms you mention got nothing on the Persians, Greeks or Romans. You can not name one great invention of those kingdoms nor they build cities like Persepolis, Rome and Athene. Those Arab kingdoms are just like those small irrelevant kingdoms of Africa.

The Persians & Greeks: Crash Course World History #5 - YouTube

But they are the ancestors of todays Arabs...:azn:
Don't forget Pharoons:
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Nabatiens:
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The Coptic pharaohs and the Nabateans weren't Arabs. In fact, the Nabateans distincfly saw themselves different than the Arabs. So the photos you posted got nothing to do with the Arabs. Fail.
 
The Coptic pharaohs and the Nabateans weren't Arabs. In fact, the Nabateans distincfly saw themselves different than the Arabs. So the photos you posted got nothing to do with the Arabs. Fail.
Man!! Nabateins are my ancestors! how come I am not an Arab? and how come Egyptians are not Arab now either?!:no:
Every single Arab country has its own great civilization, I am proud of my ancestors and I am so proud to be an Arab as well.:thinktank:
 
Man!! Nabateins are my ancestors! how come I am not an Arab? and how come Egyptians are not Arab now either?!:no:
Every single Arab country has its great civilization, I am proud of my ancestors and I am so proud to be an Arab as well.:thinktank:

Thats because you have a narrow view of what the Arabs really are. All of those people you mention aren't Arabs and during their time they don't saw themselves as Arabs. I don't give a damn which people now call themselves Arabs. I'm talking about history, not present time. Fact is that throughout history the most people who came in contact with the Arabs saw them as barbaric savages without any civilization. From North Africa to Iran. Even now, you are considered to be a backward people with middle-ages views. While in every country we immigrate too we are among the most educated people, your people are famous in Europe for raping woman, stealing and barbaric behavior.

Al Jazeera arab self-criticism MEMRI TV - YouTube
 

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