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No Nuclear Conventional Ranking based purely on equipment:
1 - Turkey - 5pts
2 - Saudi Arabia - 4pts
3 - Egypt - 3pts
4 - Pakistan - 2pts
5 - Iran - 1pt
Based on Training of Soldiers only and Leadership of the Generals:
1 - Turkey - 5pts
2 - Pakistan - 4pts
3 - Iran - 3pts
4 - Egypt - 2pts
5 - Saudi Arabia - 1pts
Giving 60% split to Equipment and 40% to Training, you get the following ranking:
1 - Turkey = (5 X 0.6 ) + (5 X 0.4) = 5
2 - Pakistan = ( 2 X 0.6) + (4 X 0.4) = 2.8
3 - Saudi Arabia = (4 X 0.6) + (1 X 0.4) = 2.8
4 - Egypt = (3 X 0.6) + (2 X 0.4) = 2.6
5 - Iran = (1 X 0.6) + (3 X 0.4) = 1.8
Before the trolls come and start saying that Iran is standing up to the west while Pakistan is getting drone strikes. We are not taking into account geo-politics, geography, strategic depth, alliances, but evaluating on pure military terms, morale of soldiers and skills of the generals who command these forces.
100 Dassault Mirage 5, 100 F-16's and 100 JF-17'sPlease list PAF air force equipment
You are right, everyone agrees here that Pak Army is most battle hardened by far.If this is the case then Pakistan would be stronger than Turkey too...The reason is Pakistan is in a war like situation since last 20 year and near to war like situation since its independence...So your solider group are more real time trained personnel from morale and confidence perspective. Turkey is good overall but someone definitely question about what would have been the capacity of Turkey/SA without the involvement and close support from USA and NATO.....
Even in conventional and battle ready situation, Pakistan should lead the show...Of course this is personal opinion and i will definitely agree that many people will disagree with me..
You're right, SA air-force is better than TAF, but Navy and Army, Turkey has better. But I still think in an all out war, Iran will last longer than Turkey as they have much more oil reserves. They won't have to worry about running short or importing it...I disagree partly with sustainability of war and partly with equipment. If you mean air force equipment you are right SA more modern and better jets but if you mean overall, how is that so. Turkish navy is quite modern and totally changing, Turkish air f-16s being upgraded constantly (only waiting for F-35). Land force we have a very large number of tanks which can be used and some upgraded such as upgraded M60, upgraded Leopard 1, Leopard 2a4 being upgraded. Altay being made. However in terms of modernity EGYPT is better in terms of tank force, EGYPT also alot of tanks.
About sustainability part we also have oil now which is being used by military and I'm sure in emergency it will allocated to military. Also as our economy isn't based on oil or gas What will happen to Iran when it can't export its oil and there on fire.
Ḥashshāshīn;3655464 said:You're right, SA air-force is better than TAF, but Navy and Army, Turkey has better. But I still think in an all out war, Iran will last longer than Turkey as they have much more oil reserves. They won't have to worry about running short or importing it...
Ḥashshāshīn;3655451 said:100 Dassault Mirage 5, 100 F-16's and 100 JF-17's
You are right, everyone agrees here that Pak Army is most battle hardened by far.
Which other soldiers would be willing to have a war 20,000 above a glacier with temperatures of -30C?
My friend don't get me wrong but how is PAF ahead of TAF?
240 F-16 (all block 30+ being upgraded to 50+ MULTIROLE)
Like 100 F-4 ( For Bombing)
Please list PAF air force equipment
I'm not saying Turkey wouldn't fight in these terrains. I know Turkey also has a lot of experience fighting PKK ect, but I still think Pakistan Army is more battle hardened. Since 1947, Pakistan has been in near state of war. Also fighting India which is 6x the size of it. By all means that does not mean Turkish army isn't battle hardened; Turks have history of being warriors with many wars fought.I'm sure glacier is very hard terrain and probably hardest in world but in no way is the terrain we fight terrorism hard, sometimes more than - 20 degrees 2-3+ metre snow etc
50 F-16 (Block 52+)
4 squadron JF-17 (block II coming soon)
J-10b (35,but will order 200+)
F-7PG (150)
Moreover Pakistan has its own indegenous fighter programs
really , whats the program called ? is there any designs yet . Thanks