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Steve Coll's "Directorate S" Demonizes Pakistan ISI

Almost watched half but I will go a bit on tangent and present my analysis and what I believe Pakistan needs to do. Currently, they (Americans) are bombings Talibans and supporting IS which has, according to some reports, taken control of 11 Afghan districts. We need to fight this menace and we need to support Talibans and I'm for an all out and open support or at least clandestine if we don't have the courage but at least we need to defeat the IS since that will be a big problem and CIA, NDS and RAW are supporting IS.
 
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Almost watched half but I will go a bit on tangent present my analysis and what I believe Pakistan needs to do. Currently, they (Americans) are right now bombings Talibans and supporting IS which has, according to some reports, taken control of 11 Afghan districts. We need to fight this menace and we need to support Talibans and I'm for an all out and open support or at least clandestine if we don't have the courage but at least we need to defeat the IS since that will be a big problem and CIA, NDS and RAW are supporting IS.
Totally concur.Kudos Sir.
 
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Amazing.... beyond belief...

How a small intelligence agency with even smaller budget and gadgets keeps giving headaches to the likes of the US and Indians....

RAW with great resources and manpower still can't beat this tiny Pak Agency. And Indians want to have an empire from AFg hellhole all the way to Balli.

If ISI was such powerful then how come corrupt elite of Pak has stashed billions in overseas account?

This Pak agency looks primarily focused upon safegaurding the external threats coming from the known and unknown enemies of Pak.

Had ISI been half the powerful agency as people make it to be... Kashmris wouldn't be throwing stones at oppressing Indians....but something more potent.

Just dark propaganda against ISI as the enemies' plans to utilise terror against Pak has failed once again.
 
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But that is expected. Where is OUR film industry? Spread the truth and counter the propaganda.

Our film industry? It is busy making movies in Bollywood.

Amazing.... beyond belief...

How a small intelligence agency with even smaller budget and gadgets keeps giving headaches to the likes of the US and Indians....

RAW with great resources and manpower still can't beat this tiny Pak Agency. And Indians want to have an empire from AFg hellhole all the way to Balli.

If ISI was such powerful then how come corrupt elite of Pak has stashed billions in overseas account?

This Pak agency looks primarily focused upon safegaurding the external threats coming from the known and unknown enemies of Pak.

Had ISI been half the powerful agency as people make it to be... Kashmris wouldn't be throwing stones at oppressing Indians....but something more potent.

Just dark propaganda against ISI as the enemies' plans to utilise terror against Pak has failed once again.

The beauty here is that the Americans have cut themselves with a knife they wanted to use against Pakistan. After stoking insane anti-Pakistan hysteria for decades within their own borders and abroad they seek full cooperation. Any person with a single brain cell understands that cooperation is unrealistic under such circumstances. The Americans certainly need a boogeyman to cover their own failures, but they have chosen a very wrong scapegoat. A scapegoat they continue to desperately need in their malicious ventures in the region. Their India substitute bluff hasn't worked.
 
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So basically a small underfunded underarmed intelligence agency called the ISI has taken on CIA RAW Afghan intelligence and the best that NATO had to give and still outsmarted the lot. Well that speaks volumes then doesn't it. Basically don't fvck with us or you get a free body bag home
 
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@bold..mate, care to elaborate?

There's already a bias against this book simply because it's deemed critical of of ISI specifically and Pakistan generally? Which is fine. No one likes to be put in a bad light. All I'm saying is that better arguments can be made to counter besides the author's stint as a journalist based in New Delhi. ISI supported Taliban well before 9/11 happened and Indians arrived on the scene, so why don't see why a laundry list of RAW's activities in Afghanistan have anything to do with ISI's support of Taliban.
 
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http://www.riazhaq.com/2018/02/steve-colls-directorate-s-demonizes.html

"Directorate S: The C. I. A. and America's Secret Wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan, 2001-2016" by Steve Coll holds Pakistan ISI's Directorate S primarily responsible for America's longest war.


The author does acknowledge other factors such as Washington's policy failures, Kabul government's corruption, divisions and dysfunction, Indian intelligence RAW's role, etc. However, he plays down the significance of these other factors and pins the blame squarely on Pakistan ISI, particularly its Directorate S which the author describes as one of the ISI directorates "devoted to secret operations in support of the Taliban, Kashmiri guerrillas, and other violent Islamic radicals". The book sticks essentially to America's oft-repeated narrative of blaming Pakistan for US failure to win the war after 16 years of fighting.

Vital American Interests in Afghanistan:

Coll narrates top-level discussions during the successive administrations of President George W. Bush and President Barack Obama identified America's objectives/vital interests in the region are as follows:

1. Destroy Al Qaeda in the region

2. Ensure Pakistan's stability to keep nukes out of the hands of terrorists

Notably absent from these goals is the defeat/destruction of the Taliban.

While there was considerable success in achieving the first objective, the actions taken to achieve that success induced instability in Pakistan. It gave rise to Tehrik e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) which launched deadly attacks on the Pakistani state that killed tens of thousands of civilians and security personnel.

Efforts by the United States to negotiate with the Afghan Taliban went nowhere, partly due to strong opposition to such talks by Tajik faction of the Afghan government.

India-Pakistan Great Game in Afghanistan:

Author Steve Coll quotes Ambassador Richard Holbrooke, President Barack Obama's representative for the region, as explaining how critical India-Pakistan relationship is to solving Afghanistan. Holbrooke said, "There are three countries here--Pakistan, Afghanistan, and India--with vastly different stages of political, social, and economic development. They share a common strategic space. As has happened so many times in history, the weak state is the one that sucks in the others. That's the history of Afghanistan and now the Great Game is being played with different players. The India-Pakistan relationship is an absolutely critical driver".

India's Covert War Against Pakistan:

Coll acknowledges Indian intelligence agency RAW's role in Afghanistan saying that "it was not as if R.A.W. had dropped out of covert actions specifically designed to undermine Pakistani stability"..... efforts that run counter to America's vital interest/goal number 2 in the region.

However, the author underplays its importance. He fails to take notice of the mounting evidence that even some Indian analysts and media find hard to ignore. Here are some instances:

1. Bharat Karnad, a professor of national security studies at the Centre for Policy Research in New Delhi, recently acknowledged India's use of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) terrorist group against Pakistan in an Op Ed he wrote for Hindustan Times.

2. Indian journalist Praveen Swami said in a piece published in "Frontline": "Since 2013, India has secretly built up a covert action program against Pakistan."

3. India's former RAW officers, including one ex chief, have blamed Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav, arrested by Pakistan in 2016, for getting caught in Pakistan as a "result of unprofessionalism", according to a report in India's "The Quint" owned and operated by a joint venture of Bloomberg News and Quintillion Media. The report that appeared briefly on The Quint website has since been removed, apparently under pressure from the Indian government.

4. A story by Indian journalist Karan Thapar pointed out several flaws in the Indian narrative claiming that Kulbhushan Jadhav, arrested in Pakistan while engaging in India's covert war in Balochistan, was an innocent Indian businessman kidnapped from Chabahar by Pakistani agents. Writing for the Indian Express, Thapar debunked the entire official story from New Delhi.

Former US Defense Secretary Hagel:

Indian journalist claims that India's covert war against Pakistan started in 2013. However, former US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said back in 2011 that "India has always used Afghanistan as a second front against Pakistan. India has over the years been financing problems in Pakistan". Secretary Hagel was speaking at Cameron University in Oklahoma.

General David Petraeus's View:

General David Petraeus, former CIA director and commander of US troops in Afghanistan, has said there is no evidence of Pakistan playing a double game and supporting terrorists in Afghanistan.

Speaking at the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) in London in 2016, he said "I looked very very hard then (as US commander in Afghanistan) and again as CIA director at the nature of the relationship between the various (militant) groups in FATA and Baluchistan and the Pakistan Army and the ISI and I was never convinced of what certain journalists have alleged (about ISI support of militant groups in FATA).... I have talked to them (journalists) asked them what their sources are and I have not been able to come to grips with that based on what I know from these different positions (as US commander and CIA director)".

Gen Petraeus did acknowledge that "there's communication between the ISI and various militant groups in FATA and Balochistan (Haqqanis, Taliban, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, etc) but some of it you'd do anyway as an intelligence service." He added that "there may be some degree of accommodation that is forced on them (Pakistanis) because of the limits of their (Pakistan's) forces."

Former CIA Officer Michael Scheuer's View of ISI:

To put unrelenting western and India media and analysts' attacks on the ISI in perspective, let's read some excerpts from an interview of ex CIA officer and chief Bin Laden hunter Michael Scheuer on ISI, and watch the following video:

1. ISI is like all other intelligence services--like the Australian service or the American service.

2. ISI works for the interest of their country, not to help other countries.

3. The idea that ISI is a rogue organization is very popular--and even the Pakistanis promote it---but having worked with ISI for the better part of 20 years, I know the ISI is very disciplined and very able intelligence agency.

4. Pakistanis can not leave the area (AfPak) when we (Americans) do. They have to try and stabilize Afghanistan with a favorable Islamic government so they can move their 100,000 troops from their western border to the eastern border with India which---whether we like it or not, they see as a bigger threat.

5. We (US) have created the mess in South Asia and the Pakistanis have to sort it out. Our (US) problems in Afghanistan are of our own making.

6. Al Qaeda has grown from just one platform (Afghanistan in 2001) to six platforms now.

Summary:

"Directorate S: The C. I. A. and America's Secret Wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan, 2001-2016" by Steve Coll holds Pakistan ISI's Directorate S primarily responsible for America's longest war. The author does acknowledge other factors such as Washington's policy failures, Kabul government's corruption, divisions and dysfunction, Indian intelligence RAW's role, etc. However, he plays down the significance of these other factors and pins the blame squarely on Pakistan ISI, particularly its Directorate S. Coll downplays all evidence pointing to India's covert war being waged against Pakistan from the Afghan soil. It is this war that is destabilizing both Afghanistan and Pakistan. Ignoring it will delay any resolution to the Afghan problem.

Here's a video of ex CIA Officer Michael Scheuer talking about ISI:



Related Links:

Haq's Musings

General Petraeus Debunks Allegations of Duplicity Against Pakistan

India's Ex Intelligence Officers Blame Kulbhushan Jadhav For Getting Caught

Karan Thapar Dismantles Official Indian Narrative on Kulbhushan Jadhav

Why is India Sponsoring Terror in Pakistan?

Indian Agent Kubhushan Yadav's Confession

Has Modi Stepped Up India's Covert War in Pakistan?

Ex India Spy Documents Successful RAW Ops in Pakistan

London Police Document Confirms MQM-RAW Connection Testimony

China-Pakistan Economic Corridor

Ajit Doval Lecture on "How to Tackle Pakistan"

http://www.riazhaq.com/2018/02/steve-colls-directorate-s-demonizes.html

You can spin all you want

For most Americans OBL was killed in Pakistan
American army officers see Taliban fighters attack targets in Afghanistan and run back into Pakistan

No amount of spinning the truth will change underlying facts
Pakistan is in for an extended divorce with USA.

Spin it anyway you want. USA is still the most powerful state on this planet
 
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Just some perspective...

Claim: ISI supports militant movements
Fact: Almost all intel agencies do, including RAW and CIA.

Claim: ISI's Directorate S tripped up the world's only hyper power in Afghanistan
Fact: If a department within a "third world" intel agency can do this, that's pretty cool. This Directorate should rule the world.

Claim: ISI support for militancy against NATO/Afghan targets in Afghanistan led to the current quagmire
Fact: The self-defeating NATO war strategy and the pathetic political set up in Afghanistan leaves an incredible vacuum.

This leads me to my final point: what's all the fuss about? The CIA, RAW and pretty much all other capable intel agencies have illustrious histories of supporting (arming/funding/logistics/etc) violent militants.
 
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