Because you made a lot of false claims just in the 3-4 posts you wrote in this thread. Or you can call it misunderstandings or deliberate "spinnings" of history to create an agenda. You choose. No, I did not agree with you.
So I took the facts and "spun" them in a way you're not familiar with - doubtless because it portrays the Sauds as ruthless and murderous opportunists. Yet doesn't that characterization fit the Sauds as we know them today better than whatever "spin" you learned in school?
It was a hereditary position within the same family/clan.
We seem to be working from different history books here. Which history do you think is more likely to have been corrupted for political reasons? After all, the Husseins didn't become rulers of Jordan and Iraq because "they were members of the same family/clan" as the Sauds but because they were thrown out of the peninsula and the Brits gave out thrones as consolation prizes.
Wrong again. Al-Saud were not initial allies of the Brits.
They didn't participate in the Arab Revolt but they were on the Brits' payroll to remain inactive.
Without the British Kuwait and Iraq would be part of Saudi Arabia by now.
The condition was that the smaller Gulf states remain under British suzerainty in exchange for weapons and support. Without the "deal" Kuwait might have lost its independence but Arabia would no longer have been "Saudi".
I am afraid that there is nothing called "Husseins". You must be referring to the Makkawi Hashemites and more precisely the offspring of Sharif Hussein bin Ali (ra).
Yes.
Those two were not allies to begin with and ruled different regions. What betrayal are you talking about?
The Sauds were paid by the Brits to remain inactive and not support the Turks. Instead the Sauds conquered the Hashemites' rear areas. The Brits regarded this as treason, yet the Sauds, being mobile, offered no fixed targets for British warplanes to attack or bomb. (These events are reviewed in Manchester's biography of Churchill.) British "honor" was appeased by creating kingdoms for their allies out of territories envisioned for the Mandates of Palestine and Mesopotamia.
It was a necessary unification looking at it in hindsight. But we are talking about events that happened 90 years ago. Very peaceful and harmless events compared to the bloody wars and revolutions that took place in Europe at that time.
People who don't learn from history may be condemned to repeat it. Who is to say that the wild armies of the Taliban won't suffer the same fate as the Ikhwan? After all, al-Qaeda in Saudi Arabia already has.
I was specific. Mentioned the reasons for that (well-known even among European academical sources)
Go on, mention specific sources.
Well, you ignore the fact that the demonization of Jews is a European/Western invention. You were the ones who apparently killed 6 million Jews,
Now I'm definitely not the one playing fast and loose with facts. I did not murder my own grandparents. Nor did you counter my charge as to your personal culpability.
Besides the Palestinians first of all and the Arab/Muslim world has a legitimate reason for being anti-Zionists given the history of Israel and how it was created.
The
facts or how the existence of Israel offends Islamic supremacist ideology and the collective Arab envy of Jews? I'm sure it's the latter two. Saying Israel is somehow "illegitimate" or even "unjust" are arguments that have been destroyed many times. They just serve as cover for tyranny and the militancy of barbarians.
That's why Pakistanis must embrace Israel to defeat their own insurgency. Otherwise, as recent events with Imran Khan have shown, anyone can be accused of being a Zionist and "delegitimized" on that basis.
We don't have anything to do with the many crimes of the Western world though including that of the 2000 year old Jewish persecution.
Gee, I just listed one such event further up the page and it blew right past you. Will you campaign, then, for the return of Jews to territories Saudi Arabia conquered from Yemen within living memory? No? So go blush.
Besides why should we (again we are not one single body but whatever) change our approach when you Zionists are not willing to change your approach? It does not work this way.
Because peoples aren't equally good or bad. You seem aware enough of current events to know that Israel includes large numbers of Arabs in its citizenry, helps supply Gaza with goods and medical care, and encourages Arab economic development and self-rule in the West Bank and even in Israel itself. You can't point to Saudi Arabia, or the Emirates, or Kuwait, or Egypt, etc. and claim that these countries or their citizens even
dream of treating Jews the same way.
Why does that matter? Because the enshrinement of a house of lies, as embraced by Saudi Arabia and expressed by you, corrodes the soul, both individually and collectively. The businessman or police chief who is a crook convinces himself that his actions are justified because others must be crooks, too; the boy who bullies others on the playground and grows up to be a dictator himself justifies his acts on the grounds that others would do the same to him, etc.
At its core civil society requires civic values. When these can't be sustained due to the corruption of many hearts, rule-of-law becomes useless and rule-
by-law (that is, force) dominates: society breaks down into clans, initiative is stifled, civil conflict and discontent grows, and eventually what was a unified nation breaks up into bits.
Like Pakistan since 1971.
The world doesn't have to be that way and countries like America and Israel are living proof of this.
KSA survives because it is blessed (or cursed) with oil. Remember how the King had to raise everybody's subsidy in the wake of the Egyptian Revolution? But KSA doesn't thrive the way a democratic society can or even one of the old empires did. It would have to embrace civic values to do so, and such things are limited by the greed and covetousness of the royal family - for lots of royal kids means lots of royal princes, each entitled to bend the rules in accordance with his proximity to the King.
Really? I remember a debate in the early mornings of the beginning of this June this very year where you made those claims and was ridiculed by non-Muslims and non-Arabs alike. If I really wanted to find your posts I would do it but it is a bit late and I am tired. Give me until tomorrow night.
Sure thing. See you in a couple of days, then.
