Stereotyping Pashtuns as terrorists!the most wounded nation in imposed Terrorism war!

[SQ8]

You have a hatred for Urdu speaking people, is this because they have contributed more to society than you?

If that is the case then the poster will not be allowed to exist on the forum. These intentions must be clarified.

 

[Pakistani E]

If that is the case then the poster will not be allowed to exist on the forum. These intentions must be clarified.

Just read his comments, they are even clear to me.

 

[INDIC]

If that is the case then the poster will not be allowed to exist on the forum. These intentions must be clarified.

This guy ghoul has abused me as Bhaiya numerous times.

 

[syedali73]

There are surely no pashtuns in india nowadays but there were in significant number in 18th and 19th century UP-Delhi, and these stereotypes have developed in that period, not in post-independence.

Muslims native to states such as Bhopal, parganah's in Bihar, Sooraj Garh (Patna), Maleer Kotla, Rohail Khand etc., trace their origin to the Pathan/Afghan ancestry. It is not that all of them migrated to Pakistan for a good number of Pathan families still live there.

India has lot to do with stereotying pashtuns, even the derogatory word "pathan" is originated from india

Wrong. The word 'Patan' first appeared in Tuzak-i-Timuri, in which 'Patan' was described as a group or tribe living primarily in the South East of Kabul. I don't have the book with me right now but if someone could access it in some library, the reference can be found.

 

[Samandri]

Muslims native to states such as Bhopal, parganah's in Bihar, Sooraj Garh (Patna), Maleer Kotla, Rohail Khand etc., trace their origin to the Pathan/Afghan ancestry. It is not that all of them migrated to Pakistan for a good number of Pathan families still live there.

Wrong. The word 'Patan' first appeared in Tuzak-i-Timuri, in which 'Patan' was described as a group or tribe living primarily in the South East of Kabul. I don't have the book with me right now but if someone could access it in some library, the reference can be found.

In tuzk e timuri the word "awghaan" is used for people of koh sulieman against which timur was taking military expedition, no mention of word patan. Ibn i batuta also talks about "afghans" living east of kabul. Its ferishta of 16th century from whom we hear about the word pathan for the first time, according to him hindus use it for afghans, and that probably because afghans first settled in city of patna.

 

[tarrar]

This war on terror has killed more civilians & soldiers than rented terrorists.

 

[Samandri]

You have a hatred for Urdu speaking people, is this because they have contributed more to society than you?

To which society?
By the way portion of urdu langauge and culture, its food and dress is derived from pashtuns or descendents of pashtuns. For example ustaad of mirza ghalib, nawab musafa shefta was of bangash origin. Farrukhabad, rohilkhund and bhopal were pashtun states which later became centres of urdu. Hyderabad deccan also had pashtun nobility and soldiers. Even nawab aliverdi khan of bengal's army and officers mostly consisted of bihar's afghans.

 

[dil_dil]

To which society?
By the way portion of urdu langauge and culture, its food and dress is derived from pashtuns or descendents of pashtuns. For example ustaad of mirza ghalib, nawab musafa shefta was of bangash origin. Farrukhabad, rohilkhund and bhopal were pashtun states which later became centres of urdu. Hyderabad deccan also had pashtun nobility and soldiers. Even nawab aliverdi khan of bengal's army and officers mostly consisted of bihar's afghans.

Mirza Ghalib himself was also of Turkic origin.

 

[Bouncer]

pathan is derogatory?
many hindi movies of 70s and 80s equate pathan with bravery and being loyal (to family/friends)...
Some people call all muslims pathan though.. but thats ignorance.

Don't mind him. He just blurts BS without any knowledge. His previous posts indicate a complete lack of knowledge about Pathan's who settled in India and created power centers like Rohilkhand. He simply dismisses their ancestors as not being worthy of called Puthun/Pathan.

From what I have heard from my Indian friends, Pathan is definitely not a derogatory term in India. And neither it is in Pakistan.

 

[SQ8]

Don't mind him. He just blurts BS without any knowledge. His previous posts indicate a complete lack of knowledge about Pathan's who settled in India and created power centers like Rohilkhand. He simply dismisses their ancestors as not being worthy of called Puthun/Pathan.

From what I have heard from my Indian friends, Pathan is definitely not a derogatory term in India. And neither it is in Pakistan.

His ideas may be stupid and based on his personal self esteem issues and bigotry.. but he is right about the usage of Pathan as a deregotary term within the Urdu speaking society of India and the migrants here. The idea of someone doing something stupid and or stubborn gets the on and off calls of "Array Pathan!".. or "Kya Pathan Aadmi hai". The background is irrelevant, but the underlying racism is not.

 

[livingdead]

Don't mind him. He just blurts BS without any knowledge. His previous posts indicate a complete lack of knowledge about Pathan's who settled in India and created power centers like Rohilkhand. He simply dismisses their ancestors as not being worthy of called Puthun/Pathan.

From what I have heard from my Indian friends, Pathan is definitely not a derogatory term in India. And neither it is in Pakistan.

may be he is right.. I just said I am not aware of such idea across India... quite possible such ideas are more prevalent in UP/bihar as @Oscar says..
we got sikh/sardar jokes instead of pathan jokes..

 

[Taj_91]

I think the word pathan implies more to the notion that the man has more physical power than intelligence. Though its used positively I guess, meaning if you are a pathan, you will keep on working hard and non-stop. But some may say its the lack of intelligence. But overall positive I guess.

 

[Samandri]

Don't mind him. He just blurts BS without any knowledge. His previous posts indicate a complete lack of knowledge about Pathan's who settled in India and created power centers like Rohilkhand. He simply dismisses their ancestors as not being worthy of called Puthun/Pathan.

From what I have heard from my Indian friends, Pathan is definitely not a derogatory term in India. And neither it is in Pakistan.

An indian reviewing movie Amrao jaan and says,

By the way, Nawab Sultan keeps claiming to be a Pathan!! Mind boggling. Probably that explains his rather Rajasthani style “saafa” in “Unnesween Sadi ka Lucknow”, but I really do not think Nawabs associated themselves with any Pathani heritage… If I am wrong here, please correct me.

Umrao Jaan (2006) | Miles to go…
Indians have a particular stereotypical image of Pathans/Pashtuns. The Hindu ones are totally clueless what was the contribution of Pashtuns in the muslim nobility. The fact is , even though Lucknow/Awadh , was ruled by Shia persian rulers who were generally hostile to Sunni Afghans, they actually had many shia pashtun officers and nawabs in their government. Also their rivals were Shia bangash nawabs of farrukhabad who were greater in strength and prestige than awadh in mughal nobility in first half of 18th century but later declined due to wars with combined forces of awadh and marathas. An average indian doesnt know about it. Learned Indian Muslim has idea about it but Indian hindu is totally clueless.

 

[Jaggu]

In tuzk e timuri the word "awghaan" is used for people of koh sulieman against which timur was taking military expedition, no mention of word patan. Ibn i batuta also talks about "afghans" living east of kabul. Its ferishta of 16th century from whom we hear about the word pathan for the first time, according to him hindus use it for afghans, and that probably because afghans first settled in city of patna.

In Sikh scripture there is a composition called Babur Bani written by Guru Nanak about 5 hundred years ago. It basically tells of the Mughal invasion of India as seen by Guru Nanak who was an eye witness to the invasion. He uses the term "Pathan" for the (Lodhi) rulers of India who fought against the Mughals. So it seems the term Pathan has been used in India for at least 500 years. In Guru Gobind Singh's composition called Zafarnama written in Farsi, He uses the term Afghan for Pashtuns. So it seems both terms Pathan and Afghan were in common use in the land of India. Quote from zafarnama

KE AFGAAN DEEGAR BI-AAMAD B-JUNG
CHU SEIL-E RAWAAN HAMCHU TEER-O TUFANG

That large number of other afgans came for the battle like a
flood of arrows and bullets

BA-SE HAMLEH KARDAND B-MARDANGI
HAM AZ HOSHGI HAM Z DEEWANGI

They launched many a brave attacks. (However) some of these
(attacks) were intelligently launched but some were sheer
madness.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I think the word pathan implies more to the notion that the man has more physical power than intelligence. Though its used positively I guess, meaning if you are a pathan, you will keep on working hard and non-stop. But some may say its the lack of intelligence. But overall positive I guess.

The guy who gave Pak nuclear weapons was a "pathan" ... in recent past Nobel winner Malalai is a "pathan" ....


Pashtuns are the soul of Pakistan... admired most for 2 things.. balls and loyality...