Stereotyping Pashtuns as terrorists!the most wounded nation in imposed Terrorism war!

[furqanusafzai]

Setting ablaze your house with your own two hands and then getting burnt in the process of putting out the fire is not called sacrifice but the consequences. Tribals have given protection to all sorts of criminals under their so-called 'Pashton wali' code, and effectively prevented the law to apprehend them. When approached, the answer was simple "Yeg log hamari panah mein hein aur pur-aman hein", i.e. these people are under our protection, and are peaceful. There are many Pashtoon here in Malaysia and many of them are from Sawat and tribal areas too. Since most of them are shopkeepers, I tend to buy things from them and get to talk time to time. Almost all of them are against military operation yet admit that it happened because they were simple enough to host the terrorists. Well being simpleton is not a very good excuse to begin with because I am from Quetta and have rubbed shoulders with them for a very long period of time. Nothing is for free, and criminals or terrorists who are given protection in tribal areas pay their hosts in one form or another. For tribals, it was like a business, too bad their deal went wrong.

Terrorists never appeared from no where,someone sponsored them,someone guided them in there,they were bought houses there,were supplied rations,you must pay a visit to there and talk 1st hand.Those with 50Cal guns and rpgs don't need protection under any code,they hijack your area.Why don't you go read my early thread in detail and argue there.

 

[furqanusafzai]

Though i agree with the subject matter i disagree with your narrative of an over arching narrative. Most Pakistanis, especially young ones who have lived through the carnage of the last 10 years of our history know that terrorism has no ethnicity, culture, race or religion. Its a mental illness which can infect anyone. I have stated it before and i will say it again that no single community in Pakistan has sacrificed and suffered more than our tribes from FATA. Anyone who doesn't recognize their role in defeating this hydra headed TTP monster is defying his own logic.

There is nothing overarching about narrative,i just highlighted the ground realities! All Pakistanis are suffering it for lost 10 years,Tribals and KP are suffering it for last 3 decades,total 50k lives lost 1/4th are from Pashtuns areas! Why these areas be home to fight interests in Afghanistan and scapegoated in proxy wars.The sorry part is TTP elimination without giving up on good Talibans is impossible,and those with reigns of power won't give up them .

 

[dil_dil]

It can not be described as that fear of seeing a beast or monster, its phobia from them on the pattren of islamphobia, that bearded pashtun walking in my city might be a terrorist. For example, just weeks ago, islamabadi residents informed police that there are potential terrorists staying in their mosque. Police arrested them, but it turns out they were pashtun labourers from swat , charsada etc, involved in nearby construction project. Punjabi and sindhi mothers, along with the indian ones, still warn their kids not to go near any pathan or else they will be abducted in a bori and sold to slave labour. Just few days ago, a sindhi man told me that they used to run away in fear to their houses whenever a pathan clothes seller used to come to their village.

Peshawar is number 1 city in terms of kidnappings and terrorism. I am sure even pakhtuns in Peshawar have few stereotypes of tribal pakhtuns. Islamabad/Rawalpindi has seen rise of terrorism kidnappings compared to anyother punjab city. So people there are little bit more paranoid about it.

 

[syedali73]

Terrorists never appeared from no where,someone sponsored them,someone guided them in there,they were bought houses there,were supplied rations,you must pay a visit to there and talk 1st hand.Those with 50Cal guns and rpgs don't need protection under any code,they hijack your area.Why don't you go read my early thread in detail and argue there.

I am in touch with those who belong to the affected areas and it is not correct to say that their lands were literally occupied by the armed terrorists. Every tribal household is as much (if not more) armed as were/are the people you are talking about.

 

[Samandri]

"Rubbing shoulders with somebody" is an idiom, which means to socialize.

You are certainly carrying grudges. A meek individul, when bullied or beaten, in school or other places, develop the particular type of grudges , that you are carrying.

 

[Kompromat]

There is nothing overarching about narrative,i just highlighted the ground realities! All Pakistanis are suffering it for lost 10 years,Tribals and KP are suffering it for last 3 decades,total 50k lives lost 1/4th are from Pashtuns areas! Why these areas be home to fight interests in Afghanistan and scapegoated in proxy wars.The sorry part is TTP elimination without giving up on good Talibans is impossible,and those with reigns of power won't give up them .

Its coming to an end. Victory is ours and we shall mourn our loss but right now we must win, for the sake of those who haven't yet been killed.

 

[Samandri]

I am in touch with those who belong to the affected areas and it is not correct to say that their lands were literally occupied by the armed terrorists. Every tribal household is as much (if not more) armed as were/are the people you are talking about.

You are not aware of the ground realities. When Taliban occupy some village, they first gun down any opponents e.g those of aman lashkars, then they disarm the entire population of village. This disarming population, works for them to gain control.

 

[Samandri]

In my opinion, the imposed durand line, eternal disunity of pashtuns and historical lack of respect for central authority has led to destabilization and burning of pashtun belt. The rise of communism in Afghanistan was direct result of issues with pakistan on durand line. Communists brought the destruction upon afghanistan, America/pakistan played on it. Taliban refused to accept durand line which shocked pakistan. So in 2001, taliban were disposed like used tissue paper and full support was given to america to destroy already destroyed afghanistan further. After devastating westren half of pashtun lands, pakistan initiated war in tribal areas in 2004 on america's demand. There was no regard for human life and heavy force has been used against tribals in 2004....this led to the revival of violence and war in tribal areas after gap of 57 years.

 

[waleed3601]

It can not be described as that fear of seeing a beast or monster, its phobia from them on the pattren of islamphobia, that bearded pashtun walking in my city might be a terrorist. For example, just weeks ago, islamabadi residents informed police that there are potential terrorists staying in their mosque. Police arrested them, but it turns out they were pashtun labourers from swat , charsada etc, involved in nearby construction project. Punjabi and sindhi mothers, along with the indian ones, still warn their kids not to go near any pathan or else they will be abducted in a bori and sold to slave labour. Just few days ago, a sindhi man told me that they used to run away in fear to their houses whenever a pathan clothes seller used to come to their village.

please call us sindhis or urdu speakers, hindustani/muhajir is a very racist and derogatory term.
on topic - i think a part of it has to be blamed on the pashtoons for being so incredibly gullible and easy to manipulate. if the tribal elders would've reject our establishment's demands back then none of this would've happened. but then again, all isnt lost, if we use their gullibility to our advantage we can change their mindset easily but unfortunately our society has been so radicalize now that open mindedness can not be instilled in the current youth. we'll have to plan it out very carefully and implement an education reform strategy for our next generation so that they can atleast be free from the evils of extremism (which is not islam, though).

 

[Samandri]

please call us sindhis or urdu speakers, hindustani/muhajir is a very racist and derogatory term.
on topic - i think a part of it has to be blamed on the pashtoons for being so incredibly gullible and easy to manipulate. if the tribal elders would've reject our establishment's demands back then none of this would've happened. but then again, all isnt lost, if we use their gullibility to our advantage we can change their mindset easily but unfortunately our society has been so radicalize now that open mindedness can not be instilled in the current youth. we'll have to plan it out very carefully and implement an education reform strategy for our next generation so that they can atleast be free from the evils of extremism (which is not islam, though).

Nah, i was not pointing towards urduspeakers of karachi, i was pointing towards the indian citizens. That stereotype is also very common there.
I agree with you, our folk are gullible and easy to manipulate, especially in the name of islam. A highly educated pashtun is ofcourse not gullible and simpleton, quality education is key

 

[halupridol]

Nah, i was not pointing towards urduspeakers of karachi, i was pointing towards the indian citizens. That stereotype is also very common there.
I agree with you, our folk are gullible and easy to manipulate, especially in the name of islam. A highly educated pashtun is ofcourse not gullible and simpleton, quality education is key

its same for all tribals

 

[INDIC]

Nah, i was not pointing towards urduspeakers of karachi, i was pointing towards the indian citizens. That stereotype is also very common there.
I agree with you, our folk are gullible and easy to manipulate, especially in the name of islam. A highly educated pashtun is ofcourse not gullible and simpleton, quality education is key

There is no stereotype against Pashtuns in India because most of the Indians don't know much about Pashtuns except some Pashtun slang I have heard in old Hindi movies, apart from that people don't know much. In North India Pathan is known as a caste among Muslims with the surname Khan.

 

[halupridol]

i was pointing towards the indian citizens. That stereotype is also very common there.

dont be too sure about that
we had this Tagore's story in our school syllabus too
Kabuliwala (1961 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

sad movie

 

[Samandri]

There is no stereotype against Pashtuns in India because most of the Indians don't know much about Pashtuns except some Pashtun slang I have heard in old Hindi movies, apart from that people don't know much. In North India Pathan is known as a caste among Muslims with the surname Khan.

Most of the negative stereotypes about pashtuns, have originated from present day India specially from UP-Delhi region

 

[INDIC]

Most of the negative stereotypes about pashtuns, have originated from present day India specially from UP-Delhi region

I believe those stereotypes are post-Independence when you guys were competing for Karachi with Muhajirs. I read some story, whoever crossed into Khokhrapar he became a Nawabzada in Pakistan with a social status and started to look down at others in Pakistan as they were more educated. Otherwise people from North India don't know much Pashtuns because people have never lived with Pashtuns and never came across your Urdu slang with no idea about your lifestyle.

In India, Sindhis are known as rich, intelligent people and hardworking people mainly in business or professionals while in Pakistan Sindhis are seen as backward and uneducated people with their waderas.