Start another business if schools run into losses, says CJ

[Abdussamad]

Education mafia....Good grief.

Educated mafia!

As the City Schools guy pointed out at least their students are doing well. Meanwhile public school students can't read, write or do arithmetic. I thought we were done with the crazy suo moto motions once CJP Nisar retired but no they are still at it. Perhaps the current CJ is bucking for a bribe?

BTW how many of the people writing in these threads are the product of a private school? I bet almost everyone here who grew up in Pakistan is a product of a private school.

 

[Wa Muhammada]

If the noble Chief Justice wants to get rid of private schools then he should first ensure that all govt schools in Pakistan are of a high standard.

Until then he should keep his beak dry and focus on his work. If parents want to school their children privately, it’s their choice....we are not a communist country (yet).

 

[Sine Nomine]

You're also a mafia

Yes,we are Blind,deaf and dumb Mafia.

 

[war&peace]

Yes,we are Blind,deaf and dumb Mafia.

You got serious

 

[Dubious]

Nope ,

Ok...but I assume since you study in one you would know how much a foreigner pays or doesn't pay...

You're also a mafia


Education should be state's concern and grade 1-12 and first professional degree should be totally free for all...whether one attends a govt run or a private school

I think Pakistan's constitution states every child has right to basic education but doesn't state how this right will be honoured.

If the noble Chief Justice wants to get rid of private schools then he should first ensure that all govt schools in Pakistan are of a high standard.

Until then he should keep his beak dry and focus on his work. If parents want to school their children privately, it’s their choice....we are not a communist country (yet).

I think previous cjp made it clear that courts intervene when it is related human rights issues or issues to do with the population....and juicing the parents dry is an issue worth the courts time....

How do you fix public education? For starters stop giving them (teachers, principles, even education minister) perks and make them work for it as rewards

It will weed out any none serious people whose aim is to heat the chair and become money makers...

Make prof who don't produce anything retire early without any perks....coz perks should be rewards for hard work not for heating a govt chair....

Most Scandinavian prof need to find their own funding for their research...their basic pay isn't great nor does it cover their lab expenses much so without funds their labs would die out and eventually them....This is how you weed out none productive prof who happen to be biggest mafia in Pakistan...

At primary school level let teacher attendance be also counted and those below satisfactory given only one warning then fired....we have a big enough population to full jobs...don't need laziness

But this can only happen when the one appointing hasn't made this a money making business to sell positions or give to waqfiat (hope this is the right word) or safarish

U also think primary school should focus on creativity than dance and fashion competitions .....I have few relatives and family friends who teach in schools IN Pakistan. ...he number of useless functions and he number of times they juice parents and harass students to sell mela tickets and whatnot is just disgusting. ....students end up being bimbo puppet dolls who only know how to strut on catwalks and sell at food stalls.....where are science fairs/ national level quizzes / debates not just on politics but maybe social issues too? Where are study trips or experiences like clean up your beach drives?

Primary and secondary school kids are young energetic and you can mold them...but if your idea of molding is fashion shows and mela. ...It is no wonder we have crap come out in the thousands!!

Then maybe you will see some change
@VCheng

increase of more than five percent in fees every year then they should surrender their licence.

How can anyone support this and not call it a business?
( this question is to those who are questioning the judges?)

private school owners have also established now colleges and universities.

And the university is run just like the school...spoonfeeding and worse case is that the students are charged alot coz they can't get into govt uni....so alternative is to buy your way in....

Makhdom Ali Khan, counsel for a private school, submitted that tuition centers are making huge money while owners of private schools can’t afford salaries of teachers. “If you say that you are facing losses then it does not mean that your demand for an increase in fees should be accepted,” Justice Faisal Arab observed. He further observed that private schools increase fees because of decline in new admissions.

This has to be laughable he is comparing tuition centers with schools....people wouldn't go to tuition centers if your schools were so great. ...but the same teachers you don't pay well further juice rhe students at tuition centers....or worse case the greedy teacher gives preferences to tuition students coz they paid for his/ her tuition center. ...how is this not sounding like a bribe?

I think the rule is 3 years tax filing/residency or if the child has been in school here for 3 years to qualify for local student fees (irrespective of passport).

Yes I agree with this....There is such a rule even for uni fees....something along similar lines...its not clear in print (at leat i didnt udnerstand it) but it is there ....

 

[Sine Nomine]

Most Scandinavian prof need to find their own funding for their research...their basic pay isn't great nor does it cover their lab expenses much so without funds their labs would die out and eventually them....This is how you weed out none productive prof who happen to be biggest mafia in Pakistan...

They also eat funds in Pakistan along with publishing student paper under own name.

At primary school level let teacher attendance be also counted and those below satisfactory given only one warning then fired....we have a big enough population to full jobs...don't need laziness

We have law known as civil servants acts,which shields everyone from legal action.

 

[war&peace]

Educated mafia!

As the City Schools guy pointed out at least their students are doing well. Meanwhile public school students can't read, write or do arithmetic. I thought we were done with the crazy suo moto motions once CJP Nisar retired but no they are still at it. Perhaps the current CJ is bucking for a bribe?

BTW how many of the people writing in these threads are the product of a private school? I bet almost everyone here who grew up in Pakistan is a product of a private school.

I studied in Pakistan for a very brief period as my family into Pakistan after my birth and later moved out due to the posting of my father. But a lot of my cousins have studied in the govt schools / colleges / universities and they are successful in their lives and have better communication skills in English and other languages than many members. In fact among top universities in Pakistan, most of them are public / state owned like QAU, UET Lahore, PIEAS, NUST etc. Out of thousands of private school, only a handful are of good quality. I myself studied in private schools & universities (not in Pakistan) due to the constant relocation of my family.

They also eat funds in Pakistan along with publishing student paper under own name.

Bro, you will be surprised, it happens everywhere even in Scandinavia. I can't divulge details here due to privacy concerns but you will be surprised how things are different on ground than perception. West has done a great perception management. That's it.

 

[Mav3rick]

Educated mafia!

As the City Schools guy pointed out at least their students are doing well. Meanwhile public school students can't read, write or do arithmetic. I thought we were done with the crazy suo moto motions once CJP Nisar retired but no they are still at it. Perhaps the current CJ is bucking for a bribe?

BTW how many of the people writing in these threads are the product of a private school? I bet almost everyone here who grew up in Pakistan is a product of a private school.

We are products of private schools thanks to our parents ability to afford school fee in addition to tuition fee outside of school and that is why most of us are where we are today. Take away private tuition and then judge performance of the private schools.

Basically, our parents could afford to spend on our education and were spending on all avenues that were required for us to grow into assets for the country. On the contrary, state schools are full of teachers who cannot even spell their own names and yet they draw salaries higher than those of private schools. The difference is management and merit, simple.

Look at Government schools in Karachi and Sindh, full of teachers of Sindhi ethnic background who should not be given any responsibility other then to sweep the school floors but they are rewarded for their ethnicity which in turn wreaks havoc on the Government School system..........unfortunately, this also works for the wadera's.

Therefore, I think the CJ is doing the right thing. And this case is NO suo moto, this is a regular case which the parents of private school going children filed almost 3-4 years ago in various parts of the country against unreasonable and unjust price hikes by School Mafia. I also assume that you are aware that the Beachonhouse School System and Citi School, the biggest mafia schools, are both owned by 2 sisters, Kasuri sisters.

If the noble Chief Justice wants to get rid of private schools then he should first ensure that all govt schools in Pakistan are of a high standard.

Until then he should keep his beak dry and focus on his work. If parents want to school their children privately, it’s their choice....we are not a communist country (yet).

Sometimes when I come across such posts, the first thought in my mind is that it would have been better had the author done his/her homework.

The CJ does NOT want to get rid of Private Schools, he is ensuring rule of law which grants schools a maximum of 5% increase in school fee per year and that too after approve of the competent authority. The schools have evidently been hiking the fees as much as 20% - 30% each year due to which parents took the school administration to court.

Most Scandinavian prof need to find their own funding for their research...their basic pay isn't great nor does it cover their lab expenses much so without funds their labs would die out and eventually them....This is how you weed out none productive prof who happen to be biggest mafia in Pakistan...

I have a contention with your assertion that teachers should be made to earn their privileges; In my opinion, our highest salary bracket should be reserved for our teachers, make it so lucrative that the top and brightest minds aim to become teachers. Teachers who also engage in Research & Development along with their students.

Such teachers will make even the worst of students into productive pillars of the society. You set the base right and it will ensure the entire structure is strong.

 

[Crusher]

We are products of private schools thanks to our parents ability to afford school fee in addition to tuition fee outside of school and that is why most of us are where we are today. Take away private tuition and then judge performance of the private schools.

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That is the crux of the matter, ask anyone who is supposedly successful in his academic career they will tell you at least in 80% of the cases that it was always their teachers at tuition centers that made them understand their text books particularly math, english and sciences. Attending government or private schools is never the main deciding factor in success, the deciding factor is always the help from private tuition out of the school.

 

[Sugarcane]

And trend of cheap publicity by making remarks continues by clowns sitting in judiciary, they should be grilling government and education ministries for falling to provide quality education in public schools which is the reason people have to go to private schools, but as their own kids and grand kids don't study in public schools, so it's non of their concerns but using their position to get fees of their own kids and grand kids reduced. Private schools is service business, judiciary shouldn't be dictating the price of services. Otherwise they should also set pricelist for beauty saloons, hairdressers, doctors consultancy fees etc.

 

[Crusher]

..................so it's non of their concerns but using their position to get fees of their own kids and grand kids reduced. Private schools is service business, judiciary shouldn't be dictating the price of services. Otherwise they should also set pricelist for beauty saloons, hairdressers, doctors consultancy fees etc.

These two are luxuries not basic human rights according to the constitution of pakistan but primary and secondary school education is the basic right of all the citizens of pakistan according to the constitution. So the judges are just enforcing the constitution here which is their duty.

 

[Sugarcane]

These two are luxuries not basic human rights according to the constitution of pakistan but primary and secondary school education is the basic right of all the citizens of pakistan according to the constitution. So the judges are just enforcing the constitution here which is their duty.

1. Ask women that it's basic thing or luxury (Constitution should be amended for it accordingly)
2. Health is also basic right, Do cheap justice issue price list of consultation fee to doctors?
3. Quality Primary & Secondary education is responsibility of state through Public schools, State can't transfer responsibility to private schools.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Bro, you will be surprised, it happens everywhere even in Scandinavia. I can't divulge details here due to privacy concerns but you will be surprised how things are different on ground than perception. West has done a great perception management. That's it.

Bahi still they are million times better then us,when it comes to such things.

 

[Crusher]

Bahi still they are million times better then us,when it comes to such things.

I was in university here in germany, I never saw any supervisor asking any student who was going to publish a paper based on his research to put his supervisor's name as first author. But sometimes your supervisor might be writing a review article where your work is adjusted in one of the sections and off course in that case your supervisor who is writing the review paper will be the first author.

 

[Sine Nomine]

I was in university here in germany, I never saw any supervisor asking any student who was going to publish a paper based on the his research to put his supervisor's name as first author. But sometimes your supervisor might be writing a review article where your work is adjusted in one of the sections and off course in that case your supervisor who is writing the review paper will be the first author.

In Pakistan a supervisor is hardly publishing anything,it's always his student who is doing everything while his names always comes as First author.