Stand-off with China in Ladakh is India’s worst border tension since Kargil in 1999

[Jackdaws]

or china is flexing its muscles and harressing amrican pets in the region a test run to see how amrika responds!

How are they harassing you? Or "harressing"?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

My personal support to Pakistan is known, and your comment won't change that but this isn't about Pakistan. Your iron brother would dumb you the second day, if it wasn't because of India.

Perfectly reasonable comments from your good self and other Turkish posters ....and Pakistanis know of the great support Turkey has always shown our nation, however you're mistaken that China would "dump" Pakistan. We have supported each other for 70 years. Pakistan is an ally of China and Turkey. It just so happens that China's interests align with Pakistan's more than anyone else's.

 

[newb3e]

Don't worry. Bois vil play vell

cant wait for supa powa to respond!
exciting times if you dont respond ull become a cheap byach or paper powa!

 

[xeuss]

China is just diverting attention for domestic purposes from uncomfortable Wuhan virus related questions. By flexing muscles with Taiwan. Then Hong Kong. Threatened Aussies with banning imports. Now border issue with India. Expect something with Japan soon too.

Doubt it. Press in China is state controlled and nothing is being reported on the issues you mentioned.

This is either readjustment of the LAC or something more significant being planned.

 

[newb3e]

How are they harassing you? Or "harressing"?

by harrasing you they make us excited!


mitrroon awaj uthao modi ko jagao! hindu khateay may hai

 

[Moriro]

Don't get emotional, Pakistan is doing a great job against India. Regarding Muslims, the same can be said about Chinese camps and stuff. We support Pakistan militarily and politically, and it will reach an higher altitude in time. I repeat again, this isn't about Pakistan.

You are free to have personal opinion regarding to this matter but i hope Turkey as a country stay neutral in this regard because opposing China will put indirect diplomatic pressure on Pakistan. We cannot tolerate or ignore indian military ambitions and actions against Pakistan. Thats the POV majority of my countrymen shares.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Sorry if i come across rude but Pakistan retrieved Kargil never occupied it.

Sure they didn't according to indianisms. And you have genuine, credible and irrefutable evidence to prove your claim..............

 

[Malik Shani]

Recently, our junior officer punched a Chinese senior officer and knocked him down in One punch.

No evidence for that; however, did you see that amazing flying kick your solider got not long ago?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

New Delhi: India is witnessing its worst-ever border tensions since the Kargil battle in 1999, with China bringing forward at least 5,000 troops along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh.

Transgressions have been reported at multiple locations in eastern Ladakh — three in the larger Hot Springs area and one in the ‘Finger’ area of Pangong lake.


Now, news agency ANI has reported that Chinese troops have moved in “nearly 10-15 km from the Indian post KM 120” in the Galwan Valley, and have pitched tents and stationed themselves close to the post. Post KM 120 lies on the strategic Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi road whose inauguration last year caused much discomfort to China.


The report does not make it clear if the Chinese movement is within territory controlled by China or India. However, sources in the know maintain that there is no transgression here per se, even though troop build-up has taken place on the Chinese side.

Satellite imagery shared on social media by experts has shown that the troops are most likely within the Chinese Claim Line (CCL) in the Galwan Valley, where that line matches the Indian perception of the LAC.



The sources told ThePrint that while about 250 troops are deployed here on a regular basis, more troops have been brought in to counter the Chinese deployment. The sources insisted that this does not mean the KM 120 post is under threat, but that it is being used for deployment and logistics.

Also read: Stand-off in Ladakh: Army matching wits with China, on every step

Worst since Kargil
What is happening at the LAC in eastern Ladakh doesn’t resemble how things unfolded in 1999, but the fact that the troop build-up and transgressions are happening at multiple locations as far 200 km apart, makes this the worst border tensions India has seen since the Kargil battle.


ThePrint had reported earlier in the day that India is carrying out “proactive localised preventive deployment” at multiple locations along the LAC in eastern Ladakh, even as it has carried out “mirror deployment” in areas where it has been challenged by Chinese troops.

The ANI report said the Indian Army has increased the presence of its troops and patrolling in other areas of eastern Ladakh under the 70 Brigade, in the Himachal sector and the central sector of the LAC, including the border with Uttarakhand, to check any attempts by the PLA to transgress.

It added that the Chinese army has diverted its troops, carrying out a massive exercise on its side of the LAC, and deployed them at short notice across the LAC in the areas under the Indian Army’s 81 and 114 Brigades, deployed to counter the Chinese assertions from Daulat Beg Oldi and adjoining areas. The Indian Army has remained mum on the issue.


Here’s an account of what has transpired so far.

Fist fight on 5 May
On the evening of 5 May, a large group of Chinese soldiers, armed with sticks and stones, descended upon a group of Indian soldiers, who were taken by surprise and eventually hit back.

The fist fight and stone pelting continued for quite some time, injuring several soldiers on both sides. Some of the injuries sustained were so severe that some soldiers including officers had to be evacuated to military hospitals.


The Army has not spoken officially on the issue but has admitted “injuries to several” soldiers.

Also read: India-China border conflict shows Beijing’s aggression not always rhetorical, says US diplomat Alice Wells

Transgression in ‘Finger’ area
The 134-km Pangong lake’s northern bank juts out like a palm, and the various protrusions are identified as “fingers” to demarcate territory. While India asserts that the LAC starts at Finger 8, China claims it starts at Finger 2, which India dominates.

Two-thirds of the lake, which extends from Tibet to Ladakh, is controlled by China, while the LAC passes through the lake itself, because of which both sides patrol it on land and in the water.

Since the perception of LAC is different, the area has a history of scuffles between both sides.

During the Kargil battle, when troops were diverted from the area to fight Pakistan, China had stepped in and built a motorable road at Finger 4.

Sources said India has been trying to construct a road further from Finger 2 over the past few years, which would have provided soldiers with the capability to move in vehicles. The Chinese have, however, now brought in more soldiers and have set up bunkers near Finger 3 to prevent Indian patrols from going further.

This is a clear transgression, because Chinese troops are in what India claims is its territory. Both sides have increased the force levels in this area.

Galwan Valley tense with troop build-up
While the initial focus was on Pangong, it later emerged that China had objected to a series of construction activities being carried out by India about 200 km away, in the Galwan Valley.

Galwan has largely remained peaceful since the 1962 India-China war. It is one area where the Chinese Claim Line and the LAC match, and this has been the understanding for years now at the local level.

However, no maps have been exchanged in this area, which means any kind of understanding is not formal.

The sources said what riled China in this area was a series of road construction activities, which are important to India from a military point of view, vis-a-vis the key base of Daulat Beg Oldi in sub-sector north in eastern Ladakh.

India’s Border Roads Organisation had built the Shyok-DBO road last year.

This road is at least 10 km inside the LAC at several points, and runs perpendicular to the Galwan river. To connect this road to the LAC, India was constructing feeder roads. This included a bridge over a nullah or rivulet, near the confluence of the Shyok and Galwan rivers.

The Chinese have been objecting to this, and following the Pangong clash, they decided to amp up their presence.

China brought in a large number of Border Defence Regiment (BDR) troops along the LAC to stop the Indian construction activity. They have pitched a large number of tents and set up associated logistics elements.

Taken aback by the Chinese objection to construction within Indian territory, India decided to “dig in” and do mirror deployment.

Hot Springs
Beside the build-up in Galwan Valley, Chinese troops have “come in” about 3 km into Indian territory south-east of the Galwan Valley, largely known as ‘Hot Springs’ area in eastern Ladakh.

The Chinese have come in near patrol point 14, 15 and the Gogra Post, which are 80 km south-east of the mouth of the Galwan Valley as the crow flies, and between the valley and Pangong lake.

Sources told ThePrint that the Chinese have not crossed the CCL in these areas, but did accept that these areas are about 3 km within India’s perception of the LAC.

So even the indians themselves now admit that the Chinese have moved well within indian territory yet they are too weak, powerless and scared to do anything about it.................

 

[bsruzm]

Perfectly reasonable comments from your good self and other Turkish posters ....and Pakistanis know of the great support Turkey has always shown our nation, however you're mistaken that China would "dump" Pakistan. We have supported each other for 70 years. Pakistan is an ally of China and Turkey. It just so happens that China's interests align with Pakistan's more than anyone else's.

No interest aligns forever, brother.

 

[Scorpiooo]

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[Jackdaws]

Doubt it. Press in China is state controlled and nothing is being reported on the issues you mentioned.

This is either readjustment of the LAC or something more significant being planned.

Not in the press. But at the ground level? Factories are shut. China is the manufacturer of the world. In a service oriented country like the US 30 million jobs have been lost. The Soviets also had state controlled media. Doesn't mean there is no disaffected population. Best way to handle domestic issues like these is to make a small but manageable international crisis.

 

[koolio]

So even the indians themselves now admit that the Chinese have moved well within indian territory yet they are too weak, powerless and scared to do anything about it.................

Hindustani's can't do jack against China, but talk big of taking action against Pakistan to make themselves Suuupa powa a high on vedic medicine.

As usual RSS brigade are trying to brush it under the carpet as if the Chinese have not taken more Ladakh territory.

 

[Jackdaws]

by harrasing you they make us excited!


mitrroon awaj uthao modi ko jagao! hindu khateay may hai

But you let the Americans do as they wish with your country - bomb, invade, arrest. Heck the guy who killed Pak citizens was even let go after paying blood money.

 

[Scorpiooo]

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