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Probe concludes torpedo sank South Korea ship: report | Reuters

The team of South Korean and foreign investigators found traces of explosives used in torpedoes on several parts of the sunken ship as well as pieces of composite metal used in such weapons, South Korea's Yonhap news agency said quoting a senior government official.

South Korean officials have not officially accused the North but made little secret of their belief Pyongyang deliberately torpedoed the 1,200-tonne corvette Cheonan in March near their disputed border in retaliation of a naval firefight last year.

The metallic debris and chemical residue appear to be consistent with a type of torpedo made in Germany, indicating the North may have been trying to disguise its involvement by avoiding arms made by allies China and Russia, Yonhap quoted the official as saying.

North Korea has denied involvement and accused South Korean President Lee Myung-bak's government of trying to use the incident for political gains ahead of local elections in June.

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Edit:they did by weapons form germany
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7654136.stm
 
What can I say? German made torpedo, North Korea doesn't have German torpedoes, but... there is a large island nation in East Asia with plenty of access to German torpedoes. Not to mention there is also a large country in north america with access to German torpedoes as well.
 
U.S. to Aid South Korea With Naval Defense Plan - NYTimes.com By THOM SHANKER and DAVID E. SANGER
Published: May 30, 2010

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Thousands packed a square in Pyongyang, North Korea, on Sunday for a rally condemning South Korea and the United States.
WASHINGTON — Surprised by how easily a South Korean warship was sunk by what an international investigation concluded was a North Korean torpedo fired from a midget submarine, senior American officials say they are planning a long-term program to plug major gaps in the South’s naval defenses.

They said the sinking revealed that years of spending and training had still left the country vulnerable to surprise attacks.

The discovery of the weaknesses in South Korea caught officials in both countries off guard. As South Korea has rocketed into the ranks of the world’s top economies, it has invested billions of dollars to bolster its defenses and to help refine one of the oldest war plans in the Pentagon’s library: a joint strategy with the United States to repel and defeat a North Korean invasion.

But the shallow waters where the attack occurred are patrolled only by South Korea’s navy, and South Korean officials confirmed in interviews that the sinking of the warship, the Cheonan, which killed 46 sailors, revealed a gap that the American military must help address.

The United States — pledged to defend its ally but stretched thin by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — would be drawn into any conflict. But it has been able to reduce its forces on the Korean Peninsula by relying on South Korea’s increased military spending. Senior Pentagon officials stress that firepower sent to the region by warplanes and warships would more than compensate for the drop in American troop levels there in the event of war.

But the attack was evidence, the officials say, of how North Korea has compensated for the fact that it is so bankrupt that it can no longer train its troops or buy the technology needed to fight a conventional war. So it has instead invested heavily in stealthy, hard-to-detect technologies that can inflict significant damage, even if it could not win a sustained conflict.

Building a small arsenal of nuclear weapons is another big element of the Northern strategy — a double-faceted deterrent allowing it to threaten a nuclear attack or to sell the technology or weapons in order to head off retaliation even for an act of war like sinking South Korean ships.

In an interview last week, Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that the joint training exercise with South Korea planned just off the country’s coast in the next few weeks represented only the “near-term piece” of a larger strategy to prevent a recurrence of the kind of shock the South experienced as it watched one of its ships sunk without warning. But the longer-range effort will be finding ways to detect, track and counter the miniature submarines, which he called “a very difficult technical, tactical problem.”

“Longer term, it is a skill set that we are going to continue to press on,” Admiral Mullen said. “Clearly, we don’t want that to happen again. We don’t want to give that option to North Korea in the future. Period. We want to take it away.”

American and South Korean officials declined to describe details of the coming joint exercises, except to say that they would focus on practicing antisubmarine warfare techniques and the interdiction of cargo vessels carrying prohibited nuclear materials and banned weapons.

To counter the unexpected ability of midget submarines to take on full warships, the long-term fix will mean greatly expanding South Korea’s antisubmarine network to cover vast stretches of water previously thought to be too shallow to warrant monitoring closely — with sonar and air patrols, for instance. That would include costly investment in new technologies, as well as significant time spent determining new techniques for the South Korean military.

North Korea presents an adversary with a complicated mix of strengths and weaknesses, said senior American officers.

According to a recent strategic assessment by the American military based on the Korean Peninsula, the North has spent its dwindling treasury to build an arsenal able to start armed provocations “with little or no warning.” These attacks would be specifically designed for “affecting economic and political stability in the region” — exactly what happened in the attack on the Cheonan, which the South Korean military and experts from five other countries determined was carried out by a North Korean midget submarine firing a powerful torpedo.

Admiral Mullen and other officials said they believed the Cheonan episode might be just the first of several to come. “North Korea is predictable in one sense: that it is unpredictable in what it is going to do,” he said. “North Korea goes through these cycles. I worry a great deal that this isn’t the last thing we are going to see.”

High-ranking South Korean officials acknowledge that the sinking was a shock.

“As the Americans didn’t anticipate 9/11, we were not prepared for this attack,” one South Korean military official said. “While we were preoccupied with arming our military with high-tech weapons, we have not prepared ourselves against asymmetrical-weapons attack by the North.”

Times Topics: South Korea | The Cheonan (Ship)The South Korean military was well aware that the North had submarines — around 70, according to current estimates. But the focus had been on North Korea’s using larger conventional submarines to infiltrate agents or commandos into the South, as it had in the past, not on midget submarines sophisticated enough to sink a major surface warship.

“We believe that this is the beginning of North Korea’s asymmetrical military provocations employing conventional weapons,” said the South Korean official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the military’s internal analysis. “They will use such provocations to ratchet up pressure on the U.S. and South Korea. The Cheonan sinking is an underwater terrorist attack, and this is the beginning of such attacks.”

Though it is considered unlikely, the threat of a conventional war with North Korea is still an issue, too, officials said.

The American military’s most recent “strategic digest” assessing both the strengths of the United States-South Korea alliance and the continuing threat from the North notes that North Korea’s military is “outfitted with aging and unsophisticated equipment.”

Even so, 70 percent of North Korea’s ground forces — part of the fourth-largest armed force in the world — remain staged within about 60 miles of the demilitarized zone with the South. In that arsenal are 250 long-range artillery systems able to strike the Seoul metropolitan area.

“While qualitatively inferior, resource-constrained and incapable of sustained maneuver, North Korea’s military forces retain the capability to inflict lethal, catastrophic destruction,” said the assessment, approved by Gen. Walter L. Sharp, commander of American and United Nations forces in South Korea.

There are about 28,500 American forces in South Korea today, significantly fewer than before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The South Korean military has maintained its armed forces at a consistent number between 600,000 and 700,000, and has steadily modernized based on its economic dynamism.

The North has an active-duty military estimated at 1.2 million, with between five million and seven million in the reserves.

But many are poorly trained, or put to work building housing or seeking out opponents of Kim Jong-il’s government. The best trained, best equipped and best paid of them are North Korea’s special operations forces, numbering about 80,000 and described by the American military as “tough, well-trained and profoundly loyal.” Their mission is to infiltrate the South for intelligence gathering and for “asymmetric attacks against a range of critical civilian infrastructure and military targets.”
 
What a noob.... whole lotta words with absolutely zero content ..

If you can't engage in a proper discussion then indulge in personal attacks...right ? :disagree:

My dear friend, thankyou, you are a ธรรม person, keep up your good work, have a drink. :cheers::partay:
 
This forum will never get free of trolls and off topics.

@Chinese members - If you do not have anything worth or constructive to reply to my posts better dont drag India and other off topic issue evrywhere.

Please read my first post and try to understand what was said..and see the reply to it by your Chinese meember..completely off the context and just talking about India...except Below Freezing's post.
 
This forum will never get free of trolls and off topics.

@Chinese members - If you do not have anything worth or constructive to reply to my posts better dont drag India and other off topic issue evrywhere.

Please read my first post and try to understand what was said..and see the reply to it by your Chinese meember..completely off the context and just talking about India...except Below Freezing's post.

Your talking to Deaf years ...and Mods give a blind eye to them since they are Chinese
 
Your talking to Deaf years ...and Mods give a blind eye to them since they are Chinese

Won't comment on what mods do, but this is the modus operandi on all threads Chinese are for any reason not happy with

post 14 - a post out of the blue on India's poor
post 15 - a post on 40% indian illiterates etc etc

Then the thread goes down the drain. This is standard SOP. Mods really need to take a look at this.
 
----We all know that India has very poor people and very rich people, I can imagine that some kind of thing happened in the old day. A rich people kill somebody, but he wouldn't be punished, because, the police and judge would shield the rich, and they would find a poor people, impute to him that the killing. Many men believe the judge, but the rule and the goveriment was own by the rich, so poor people has no where to find the dispassion.
----North Korea isn't evil, why some countries believe NK is a evil? Only because American dislike NK, so the rich man's ideas and words was the truth, so the following countries,such India, Japan, Australia, Canada will believe that NK is a evil.
----You Indian follow American's mind, has no self ideas, what a pity! Chinese has their own ideas and view point, Chinese people decide all the things by themselves, never follow either countries.

:china::yahoo:

well said my friend, and for those who think nk is an evil country can u tell me one bad thing that country did to yr country?
 
You chicoms are such drones. This regime has inflicted so much suffering on its people and you sit back and do nothing because your afraid todly act and don't have the balls to admit it. Both your people's are clean up mess from a refugee exodus. The NoKo's commited a cowar one and the same, afraid to think beyond what your archaic Govt expects you to think. For all the grief the world gives Pakistan, you'll never see them send down their tanks to mow down protesting citizens like your govt did in 89 or deny millions of refugee's their right to existence.

And spare me your poorly worded chinglish response. Go ahead with you d!ck measuring contest with the Indian internet warriors here.
Hmm...it's not like your post is better worded.
 
All right, Back to the point.

This is serious. A Warship has sunk, lives have been lost, tensions are rising.
As of now, a team including US, UK, Australian, and Swedish experts has found evidence implicating N.Korea.

I know that my Chinese and N.Korean friends will not trust either.
Why not send some Chinese and N.Korean experts along too?

Let's not cook up conspiracy theories, but try to get to the root of the issue.
I know the Americans can be scheming creeps at times, but they REALLY didn't need this incident when there is so much s*** going down all over the world.

Kim Jong Il is a real, live nutcase with NUKES!!!
Deal with it! We all do deals with devils to further our own interests, but at some point someone has to say-
'All right man, this dude's really lost it. We need to do something about it...'
 
The metallic debris and chemical residue appear to be consistent with a type of torpedo made in Germany, indicating the North may have been trying to disguise its involvement by avoiding arms made by allies China and Russia,
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So NK's generals must have learned 1 or 2 of Indian style hyprocrisy, because they used German Torpedo " trying to disguise its involvement by avoiding arms made by allies China and Russis", but explicitly chalked a Korean letter on top of it before firing it, to make it sure that it appears Korean beyond any doubt.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
So NK's generals must have learned 1 or 2 of Indian style hyprocrisy, because they used German Torpedo " trying to disguise its involvement by avoiding arms made by allies China and Russis", but explicitly chalked a Korean letter on top of it before firing it, to make it sure that it appears Korean beyond any doubt.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

You tools just can't keep India out can you %$$%#$%$%?
 
I know that my Chinese and N.Korean friends will not trust either.
Why not send some Chinese and N.Korean experts along too?

They try to send their investigator, but rejected.

U should try reading the link i gave at post #33, it explain a lot of contradiction about the case.:cheers:
 
Russia Studies Sinking Probe; War Drills In South : NPR SEOUL, South Korea May 31, 2010, 05:53 am ET

Russian experts arrived in Seoul on Monday to review findings of an investigation that blamed North Korea for the deadly sinking of a South Korean warship, while thousands of troops practiced fending off an attack from the North near the rivals' tense border.

The South is trying to build support for U.N. action against the North. If Russia endorses the multinational probe's conclusions, the move could convince China and other major powers to back possible sanctions against Pyongyang for the attack on the Cheonan warship, which killed 46 sailors two months ago.
 
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