South China Sea Forum

[Penguin]

Where you get that is the contested land, we stand on our island, we do what ever we want. Hawaii has been stolen by US, they don't have the legal right.

While the US unlawfully annexed Hawaii, it never was contested by other contries. Plus, in 1993, the US acknowledged this as such.

Really, at least attempt to know the history of Hawaii before opening your mouth about it.
Hawaii - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[dichoi]

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Pentagon Seeks to Deploy Mobile Artillery Near South China Sea
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ASIA & PACIFIC
01:38 24.02.2016(updated 11:05 24.02.2016)

With tensions escalating in the South China Sea, the US Army is discussing the possibility of sending mobile artillery units to the region.
Over the weekend, US President Barack Obama stated that his administration would continue to challenge Beijing’s territorial claims in the South China Sea.

"We think China is resorting to the old style of might makes right, as opposed to working through international law and international norms to establish claims and to resolve disputes," Obama said in an interview with Channel News Asia.

The US and its Pacific allies have accused China of building artificial islands on top of sensitive marine habitats to establish an air defense zone in the highly contested waterway. China maintains it has every right to build within what it considers to be its own territory, and has stated that the islands will be used primarily for humanitarian purposes.

Beijing has accused Washington of stirring unrest in the region, and new information of additional behind-the-scenes machinations have come to light.

According to a senior US Army official, speaking to Scout Warrior on condition of anonymity, the US may soon deploy mobile artillery, the kind traditionally used in land-based offensives, to the South China Sea, as defensive units.

"We could use existing Howitzers and that type of munition to knock out incoming threats when people try to hit us from the air at long ranges using rockets and cruise missiles," the official said.

Such a plan would require the cooperation of regional allies, who would have to approve the placement of the guns.

"A Howitzer can go where it has to go. It is a way of changing an offensive weapon and using it in dual capacity," the anonymous military official said. "This opens the door to opportunities and options we have not had before with mobile defensive platforms and offensive capabilities."

If approved, Washington’s weapon deployment would continue a pattern of US aggression in the South China Sea. Washington has conducted a number of joint military exercises with regional allies as a show of force against China. Over the past few months, the Pentagon has also begun conducting "freedom of navigation" exercises near Beijing’s artificial islands.

But if mobile offensive units are seen as an effective, cheaper alternative to shooting down missiles or aircraft, they could also be used beyond the Pacific. Military officials suggest that M777 Howitzers and M109 Paladins could also be used in Eastern Europe, to counter Russian "aggression."



Read more: Pentagon Seeks to Deploy Mobile Artillery Near South China Sea

 

[SEAISI]

From this

to this

Bravo

 

[Jana Assassin]

China has absolutely no regard fr its neighbours.. It will keep doing this same song nd dance abt its need to protect the island...

 

[dichoi]

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Philippines allows military deal with U.S. amid South China Sea tension
MANILA/WASHINGTON — Reuters

Published Tuesday, Jan. 12, 2016 11:25AM EST.Last updated Tuesday, Jan. 12, 2016 12:52PM EST

The Philippines Supreme Court on Tuesday declared a security deal with the United States constitutional as protesters rallied, allowing an increased U.S. military presence in the former U.S. colony as tension rises in the South China Sea.

Manila has long been a staunch U.S. ally and the pact is widely seen as important for both sides, worried by China’s increasingly assertive pursuit of territorial claims in the disputed South China Sea.

The court voted 10-4 to deny a petition of some lawmakers and activists to declare the Enhanced Defence Cooperation Agreement (EDCA) unconstitutional because it surrendered Philippine sovereignty to a foreign power.

“EDCA is not constitutionally infirm,” said Supreme Court spokesman Theodore Te. “It remains consistent with existing laws and treaties that it purports to implement.”

In Washington, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry called it a “very important decision” as he and U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter began talks with their Philippine counterparts on security and economic issues, including tensions in the South China Sea and the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal.

“The United States has an iron-clad commitment to the security of the Philippines,” Kerry said in opening remarks. “To that end we welcome the Philippines Supreme Court’s decision ... (and) look forward to implementing this accord,” he added.

The pact, signed days before U.S. President Barack Obama visited the Philippines in 2014, will allow U.S. troops to build facilities to store equipment for maritime security and humanitarian and disaster response operations, in addition to giving broad access to Philippine military bases.

U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain called it “a landmark agreement ... (that) will bring our alliance to a level of cooperation and integration that we have not witnessed in decades.

“As Manila finds itself the target of Chinese coercion in the West Philippine Sea and is looking to Washington for leadership, this agreement will give us new tools to ... expand engagement with the Philippine Armed Forces, and enhance our presence in Southeast Asia,” he said in a statement.

McCain said he looked forward to implementation this year of a congressional Maritime Security Initiative he has championed that will provide resources to build the maritime capacity of the Philippines and other Southeast Asia countries.

Dozens of anti-U.S. activists held protests outside the court denouncing the deal as a de facto basing agreement that would make the Philippines “a launching pad for military intervention in the region.”

Philippine military officials say there has been an increase in U.S. exercises, training and ship and aircraft visits in the past year under Obama’s “rebalance” of U.S. forces and diplomatic efforts to Asia in the face of China’s rise, but the pact would take the relationship a step further.

China claims almost all the South China Sea, which is believed to have huge deposits of oil and gas, and has been building up facilities on islands it controls.

Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines also have claims. Tension rose this month when China began test flights on Fiery Cross Reef, one of three artificial islands where Beijing has constructed airfields.

 

[SEAISI]

Take a closer look. That's a lot of solar panels. Should be able to support high power radars

 

[sicsheep]

China has deployed fighter jets to a contested island in the South China Sea amid territorial tensions in the region, media reported.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — According to the Fox news television channel's Tuesday report, US intelligence spotted China’s Shenyang J-11 and Xian JH-7s aircraft (NATO reporting names Flanker B+ and Flounder, respectively) on Woody Island in the past few days. Beijing had previously deployed two batteries of HQ-9 surface-to-air missiles on the same island, the media outlet said.



In recent weeks, the United States and Taiwan have warned that China has deployed surface-to-air missiles on Woody Island in the Parcel chain in the South China Sea. The deployment marked the latest step in China’s military buildup in the Parcel and Spratly archipelagos, where at least six nations have overlapping territorial claims.

China, however, argues that both archipelagos are its sovereign territory, a claim that Washington has aggressively challenged by conducting so-called freedom of navigation exercises in which US warships deliberately pass within 12 miles of Chinese held islands.

China Deploys Fighter Jets to Contested South China Sea Island - Reports

 

[Penguin]

Making this a US v China issue is kind of missing the point. It ignores how China apparently seeks to relate to its neighbours. Chinese 'control' over almost entire SCS essentially implies a strategic threat to shipping routes (energy supplies and trade) to Japan, South Korea, Taiwan. And interferes with near coastal waters of Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Phillippines on the one hand and Vietnam on the other. That's 8 countries in the region.

Claims

It's clearly about oil and other resources

A possible alternative

US Navy: China is clearly militarizing the South China Sea | Watch the video - Yahoo News (Ok, its FOX, so take with a pinch of salt.
China's Putting Anti-Stealth Radar in the South China Sea
U.S. Navy Sets the Record Straight on FONOPs | The National Interest

 

[sicsheep]

Just don't want a repeat of history. As you said, you want to expand.

Japan turned out to be just fine, maybe history will repeat, except this time, the other side has nukes too.

 

[xunzi]

Making this a US v China issue is kind of missing the point. It ignores how China apparently seeks to relate to its neighbours. Chinese 'control' over almost entire SCS essentially implies a strategic threat to shipping routes (energy supplies and trade) to Japan, South Korea, Taiwan. And interferes with near coastal waters of Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Phillippines on the one hand and Vietnam on the other. That's 8 countries in the region.

Claims

It's clearly about oil and other resources

A possible alternative

US Navy: China is clearly militarizing the South China Sea | Watch the video - Yahoo News (Ok, its FOX, so take with a pinch of salt.
China's Putting Anti-Stealth Radar in the South China Sea
U.S. Navy Sets the Record Straight on FONOPs | The National Interest

How does we seek to control SCS? Again, all ships are free to sail through. Not a single ships were strop. We are only concern with other countries violating our territorial rights and its adjacent water through international law. What we did is no different than the Vietnamese building up their fortification or any parties in the SCS.

 

[dichoi]

.US B-52 bombers flew near disputed islands in South China Sea, says Pentagon | World news | The Guardian
US B-52 bombers flew near disputed islands in South China Sea, says Pentagon

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The strategic bombers were contacted by Chinese ground controllers as they took part in what has been described as a ‘routine’ flight

Two US B-52 strategic bombers flew near artificial Chinese-built islands in theSouth China Sea this week and were contacted by Chinese ground controllers but continued their mission undeterred, the Pentagon has revealed.

The latest US patrol in the disputed South China Sea occurred in advance of President Barack Obama’s visit to the region next week to attend Asia-Pacific summits where he is expected the reassert Washington’s commitment to freedom of navigation and overflight in the area.

China claims most of the South China Sea, through which more than $5 trillion in global trade passes every year, and the United States has said it will continue conducting patrols to assure unimpeded passage. Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines and Taiwan have rival claims in the region.

In the latest mission, which occurred overnight on 8-9 November, the bombers flew “in the area” of the Spratly Islands but did not come within the 12-nautical-mile zones that China claims as territory around islands it has built in the chain, said Commander Bill Urban, a Pentagon spokesman.

“The B-52s were on a routine mission in the SCS (South China Sea),” taking off from and returning to Guam, Urban said.

Chinese ground controllers contacted the bombers but the aircraft continued their mission unabated, Urban said.

“We conduct B-52 flights in international air space in that part of the world all the time,” Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook told a news briefing earlier on Thursday.

Last month, a US warship challenged territorial limits around one of China’s man-made islands in the Spratly archipelago with a so-called freedom-of-navigation patrol, the most significant US challenge yet to territorial limits China claims around its new islands. China reacted angrily to the patrol.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said he did not know whether the South China Sea would be on the formal agenda at any of the three Asia summits that Obama will attend but added that it would be “on the minds and lips” of world leaders who gather there.

Obama’s first stop will be Manila for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum summit, where Chinese President Xi Jinping will also be present. The US president will then go to Kuala Lumpur for ASEAN and East Asia summits.

“We are quite concerned about protecting freedom of navigation, the free flow of commerce in the South China Sea,” Earnest told reporters. “And we’re going to continue to encourage all parties, big and small, to resolve their differences diplomatically and to not try to use their comparative size and strength to intimidate their neighbors.“

In an apparent show of US resolve, Obama will take part in what the White House described as “an event that showcases U.S. maritime security assistance to the Philippines“. US officials did not elaborate.

But in September, Navy Admiral Harry Harris, head of the US Pacific Command, visited the National Coast Watch Center, a facility at the Philippines coast guard headquarters that Washington has helped Manila build to improve its ability to monitor developments in the South China Sea.

 

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Chinese post the picture here, Vietnamese post report that most of are about USA or Japan did or said here, Very interesting, I can feel their despise and inability.

By the way, Seems some of their report are old, don't know whether be posted twice or more, not notice that

 

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I bet there are spaces reserved for viet pirates on this island

 

[Penguin]

It's not rubbish, if anyone think that's contested island then try take it back from us

Can't do that, you see, since our philosohpy is not 'might makes right'

How does we seek to control SCS? Again, all ships are free to sail through. Not a single ships were strop. We are only concern with other countries violating our territorial rights and its adjacent water through international law. What we did is no different than the Vietnamese building up their fortification or any parties in the SCS.

If that is your concern, proper channels are international court and diplomacy. Not artificial structures on shoals or reefs (around which you then claim a 12nm territorial zone and/or a 200nm EEZ in which China beliefs no warships may enter without persmission, although that is not the common understanding of rules pertaining to EEZ) and militarization of areas (port facilities, airfields, able to accommodate significant surface and air combattants, coupled to radars, some of which OTH).

As for doing the same as e.g. Vietnam, or others, this comparison just an example:

Airpower in the South China Sea | Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative

Evolution of Fiery cross reef since 2006

The moment J11, JH-7, H6, Y-8 etc and/or surface combattants start making appearances here, there is effectively control over the shipping lanes

 

[Jlaw]

As for doing the same as e.g. Vietnam, or others, this comparison just an example:

Airpower in the South China Sea | Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative

Evolution of Fiery cross reef since 2006

The moment J11, JH-7, H6, Y-8 etc and/or surface combattants start making appearances here, there is effectively control over the shipping lanes

The moral of the story is, if your penis is not big enough, do not buy magnum sized condoms. You are aware that it was the Vietnamese and Phillippines who started island reclamation in SCS first? China has just recently began land reclamation. IT's just that big China can reclaim land 100x faster and more efficient than the Viet Congs and Pinoys.
The only solution the Viets and Pinoy have now is to cry to the international community.