South China Sea Forum

[F-22Raptor]

The U.S. Navy plans to send the USS Lassen destroyer within 12 nautical miles of artificial islands built by China in the South China Sea within 24 hours, a U.S. defense official said on Monday, the first of more regular challenges to China's territorial claims.

The destroyer's patrol would go near Subi and Mischief reefs in the Spratly archipelago, features that were formerly submerged at high tide before China began a massive dredging project to turn them into islands in 2014.

The ship would likely be accompanied by a P-8A surveillance plane, the official said.

U.S. Navy to send destroyer within 12 miles of Chinese islands| Reuters

 

[21 Dec 2012]

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[F-22Raptor]

USS Lassen

 

[cnleio]

There only two questions ?
1. Whether China will stop building when USS Lassen into 12miles water
2. Hong long USS Lassen stay in there, one day ? one week ? or one year ?

If today USS coming, tomorrow USS leaving ... i can say there nothing changed, im afraid single one USS Lassen coming cann't attract Chinese eyes ... next time try the A.C Strick Group. It's another ADIZ case(2x B-52 coming), end up with nothing changes.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

There only two questions ?
1. Whether China will stop building when USS Lassen into 12miles water
2. Hong long USS Lassen stay in there, one day ? one week ? or one year ?

If today USS coming, tomorrow USS leaving ... i can say there nothing changed, im afraid single one USS Lassen coming cann't attract Chinese eyes ... next time try the A.C Strick Group. It's another ADIZ case(2x B-52 coming), end up with nothing changes.

What you need to understand is the internal politics of US. Obama, and the most senior American diplomats have already conceded South China Sea largely to China, and accept it that way. But Obama is being badgered for being weak, and so on and on.

He needs to show that he is doing all he can. That is why I think China, should just escort the ships. Don't touch them or say anything, unless they come too near, which is, let's say 5 nautical miles.

 

[tranquilium]

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Well, I didn't want to reply yet, we should wait 20 hours and see what become of it. For your sake, this one better be different from the last time US "challenged" Chinese ADZ,

Which consists of a B52 flying all the way to the edge of Chinese ADZ, poked it and then turned tail. Reminds me of children's prank of ringing someone's doorbell and then run when the owner comes out.

Or, you know, like this, start at 2:55:

Oh, the picture of B52's route in case people can't see the one above:

More of an elementary school child's come back, except with high tech equipment costing a lot of money.

 

[21 Dec 2012]

There only two questions ?
1. Whether China will stop building when USS Lassen into 12miles water
2. Hong long USS Lassen stay in there, one day ? one week ? or one year ?

If today USS coming, tomorrow USS leaving ... i can say there nothing changed, im afraid single one USS Lassen coming cann't attract Chinese eyes ... next time try the A.C Strick Group. It's another ADIZ case(2x B-52 coming), end up with nothing changes.

Only 2 questions? Does China not claim territorial waters off these islands? IF not, then what exactly have you achieved by pouring all that sand and yen into them?
If the USN can show that they are nothing more than permanent structures to be avoided during navigating the SCS (which they already were being reefs and all), rather than Chinese sovereign territory accompanied by all the rights granted to it by international laws, especially the 200 mile EEZ - what has China accomplished by making these islands anyway?

 

[Martian2]

China is implementing a multi-layered defense on South China Sea islands.

HQ-9 surface-to-air missiles strike targets at long range - People's Daily Online (October 22, 2015)

HQ-9 SAM: "A brigade of the PLA launches HQ-9 surface-to-air missiles to strike target at long range. A brigade of the PLA navy recently conducted a live-fire drill at the beach of the South China Sea to beef up fighting and strike capability. (Photo/81.cn)"

LD-2000 land-based CIWS: "A brigade of the PLA navy recently conducted a live-fire drill at the beach of the South China Sea to beef up fighting and strike capability. (Photo/81.cn)"

Mobile ballistic and cruise missiles: "A brigade of the PLA navy recently conducted a live-fire drill at the beach of the South China Sea to beef up fighting and strike capability. (Photo/81.cn)"

Command-and-control center: "A brigade of the PLA navy recently conducted a live-fire drill at the beach of the South China Sea to beef up fighting and strike capability. (Photo/81.cn)"

 

[phancong]

Only 2 questions? Does China not claim territorial waters off these islands? IF not, then what exactly have you achieved by pouring all that sand and yen into them?
If the USN can show that they are nothing more than permanent structures to be avoided during navigating the SCS, rather than Chinese sovereign territory accompanied by all the rights granted to it by international laws, especially the 200 mile EEZ - what has China accomplished by making these islands anyway?

China achieve their objectives to enforce their claim of soveignty to the SCS, further to challenge the US naval power in the region, those structure are useful in both peace time or war time.

 

[21 Dec 2012]

China achieve their objectives to enforce their claim of soveignty to the SCS

Does watching USN ships sail by, unchallenged, not only in the remainder of SCS but even inside the 12 NM zone, count as 'Chinese soveignty'?

 

[RayOfLight]

Cross this line..

 

[Tom99]

The Americans are not anymore challenging China's sovereignty with this display than when China sailed 5 of its naval ships within US's 12 miles coast line near Alaska.

[url=http://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-navy-ships-off-alaska-passed-through-u-s-territorial-waters-1441350488]Chinese Navy Ships Came Within 12 Nautical Miles of U.S. Coast[/URL]

Chinese navy ships off Alaska in recent days weren’t just operating in the area for the first time: They also came within 12 nautical miles of the coast, making a rare foray into U.S. territorial waters, according to the Pentagon.

Pentagon officials said late Thursday that the five Chinese navy ships had passed through U.S. territorial waters as they transited the Aleutian Islands, but said they had complied with international law and didn’t do anything threatening.

“This was a legal transit of U.S. territorial seas conducted in accordance with the Law of the Sea Convention,” said Pentagon spokesman Cmdr. Bill Urban.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

WTF hasnt the US done it already？I remember reading the same crap last month，probably posted by the same F22 dude...

 

[Sanchez]

I think there'd be some escort or pushes to the approaching US ship around the islands, and then China would announce installation of military facilities for future defence.

 

[DaiViet]

WTF hasnt the US done it already？I remember reading the same crap last month，probably posted by the same F22 dude...

This is different. Last month post was a will do thing. This month is doing.

After all tought talk from China, the more U.S. pushing, China fall into defense stance. First Chinese said, dont you dare enter near our island, then U.S sail near their islands, Chinese said, dont you dare enter our 12 nm, U.S. enter 12 nm, the Chinese said, dont you dare to enter 2 nm, when U.S enter 2nm, the Chinese will says, Ok you go, U.S. Stays, the Chinese says, ok that is fine as long as you dont touch us.

If U.S. Ship = poor Vietnamese fishermen ship, the Chinese will sink it. That is Chinese, yeh that is right.