South China Sea Forum

[Martian2]

That's why I said you are a moron

This parts mean the resident Born in Hawai'i BEFORE US Become 50th US States ARE US Citizens. How does Hawai'ian gain US Citizenship if they are not already annexed into US territories then is beyond me.

this paragraph states that UN recognise Hawai'i as a NON-SELF-GOVERNING Territories. Do you even know what this mean??

Hawai'i were self governing during 1897 (or 1900 as you said) to 1959, that does not mean it DOES NOT BELONG TO THE US.

Sir, these 2 paragraph proved you wrong.

Is self-governing Puerto Rico part of the United States? Yes or No?

Let me ask you a simple question.

Is Puerto Rico part of the United States? Yes or No?

Now, go look at a map of the United States. Do you see Puerto Rico included as part of the United States?

Puerto Rico is a self-governing commonwealth. Since Puerto Rico is not part of the United States, how could self-governing Hawaii (from 1900-1959) possibly be part of the United States? Do you see your problem now?

 

[jhungary]

Is self-governing Puerto Rico part of the United States? Yes or No?

Let me ask you a simple question.

Is Puerto Rico part of the United States? Yes or No?

Now, go look at a map of the United States. Do you see Puerto Rico included as part of the United States?

Moving along, Puerto Rico is a self-governing commonwealth. Since Puerto Rico is not part of the United States, how could self-governing Hawaii (from 1900-1959) possibly be part of the United States? Do you see your problem now?

I can't resist but to do a Chandler Bing OH.MY.GOD

Look at the maps of United States, did you see anything but the 50 US States?

Does that mean EVERY Part of US overseas territories does NOT BELONG to the United States? And hence oversea US territories is NOT PART of UNITED STATES? Thus, they are not really part of USA??

Annexation - the action of annexing something, especially territory: (Oxford dictionary)
Federation - 1a group of states with a central government but independence in internal affairs (oxford dictionary)

So, using the same logic as you

Falklands is not part of the UK
Christmas Island is not Part of the Australia
Diego Garcia is not part of the UK

Get your facts right

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_States

Is self-governing Puerto Rico part of the United States? Yes or No?

Let me ask you a simple question.

Is Puerto Rico part of the United States? Yes or No?

Now, go look at a map of the United States. Do you see Puerto Rico included as part of the United States?

Puerto Rico is a self-governing commonwealth. Since Puerto Rico is not part of the United States, how could self-governing Hawaii (from 1900-1959) possibly be part of the United States? Do you see your problem now?

Then let me ask you one question

DID US ANNEXED PUERTO RICO? YES OR NO??
DID US ANNEXED US VIRGIN ISLAND? YES OR NO?
DID US ANNEXED GUAM? YES OR NO?
DID US ANNEXED AMERICAN SAMOA? YES OR NO?

So you are saying now Puerto Rico is not part of United States LMFAOROLF
Oh my god, jesus @gambit @Audio @USAHawk785 @Viet @Juice Check this out Chinese Troll at his best.......

 

[Martian2]

Post a map or you lose

Since you can't post a map of the United States that includes Puerto Rico as part of its territory, I can only conclude you forfeit.

You lose. This discussion is over. You had your chance to prove your case by posting a map.

At least I posted a map of China, including the nine-dashed-line map in 1948.

In conclusion, the annexation of Hawaii occurred in 1959 after the Hawaiians took a vote.

Obviously, if the Hawaiians had voted down annexation then Hawaii would have remained self-governing and not have been annexed into the United States in 1959.

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Hawaii

"In March 1959, Congress passed the Hawaii Admission Act and U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed it into law.[58] (The act excluded Palmyra Atoll, part of the Kingdom and Territory of Hawaii, from the new state.) On June 27 of that year, a referendum asked residents of Hawaii to vote on the statehood bill. Hawaii voted 17 to 1 to accept. The choices were to accept the Act or to remain a territory, without the option of independence.[59][60] The United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization later removed Hawaii from the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories."

 

[Minjitta]

Vietnam official map confirms "Spratlys and Paracels belong to China"

Spratlys and Paracels named By Chinese Name

LOL !! another FAKE China made map that have Vietnamese words printed on it. good job of faking China

 

[jhungary]

Post a map or you lose

Since you can't post a map of the United States that includes Puerto Rico as part of its territory, I can only conclude you forfeit.

You lose. This discussion is over. You had your chance to prove your case by posting a map.

At least I posted a map of China, including the nine-dashed-line map in 1948.

In conclusion, the annexation of Hawaii occurred in 1959 after the Hawaiians took a vote.

How about from Home : ENERGY STAR (US Government Webpage ".gov")

ENERGY STAR

What do you think what "PR" mean?? Political Ramification, perhaps?? Oh, I don't really know what PR stand for.....Maybe Public Relation??

 

[Martian2]

How about from Home : ENERGY STAR (US Government Webpage)

ENERGY STAR

What do you think what "PR" mean?? Political Ramification, perhaps??

A historical fact that China's 1948 map preceded U.S. annexation of Hawaii

I asked you to post a map. I take it you still can't find a map of the United States with Puerto Rico on it.

Do you want me to post China's 1948 nine-dash-line map again to show sovereignty over the South China Sea?

A map shows the sovereign claim of a nation. China's 1948 nine-dash-line map preceded the U.S. 1959 annexation of Hawaii. It's a simple historical fact.

 

[jhungary]

Post a map or you lose

Since you can't post a map of the United States that includes Puerto Rico as part of its territory, I can only conclude you forfeit.

You lose. This discussion is over. You had your chance to prove your case by posting a map.

At least I posted a map of China, including the nine-dashed-line map in 1948.

In conclusion, the annexation of Hawaii occurred in 1959 after the Hawaiians took a vote.

Obviously, if the Hawaiians had voted down annexation then Hawaii would have remained self-governing and not have been annexed into the United States in 1959.

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Hawaii

"In March 1959, Congress passed the Hawaii Admission Act and U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed it into law.[58] (The act excluded Palmyra Atoll, part of the Kingdom and Territory of Hawaii, from the new state.) On June 27 of that year, a referendum asked residents of Hawaii to vote on the statehood bill. Hawaii voted 17 to 1 to accept. The choices were to accept the Act or to remain a territory, without the option of independence.[59][60] The United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization later removed Hawaii from the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories."

IN case you do not realise, I won

A historical fact that China's 1948 map preceded U.S. annexation of Hawaii

I asked you to post a map. I take it you still can't find a map of the United States with Puerto Rico on it.

Do you want me to post China's 1948 nine-dash-line map again to show sovereignty over the South China Sea?

A map shows the sovereign claim of a nation. China's 1948 nine-dash-line map precedes the U.S. annexation of Hawaii. It's a simple historical fact.

lol... you still don't admit that you lose, even tho I post a map from US GOVERNMENTAL WEBPAGE states that Puerto Rico is part of US territories.

Seriously, you lose, nothing you say matter

Here I go again

 

[Minjitta]

Post a map or you lose

Since you can't post a map of the United States that includes Puerto Rico as part of its territory, I can only conclude you forfeit.

You lose. This discussion is over. You had your chance to prove your case by posting a map.

At least I posted a map of China, including the nine-dashed-line map in 1948.

In conclusion, the annexation of Hawaii occurred in 1959 after the Hawaiians took a vote.

Obviously, if the Hawaiians had voted down annexation then Hawaii would have remained self-governing and not have been annexed into the United States in 1959.

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Hawaii

"In March 1959, Congress passed the Hawaii Admission Act and U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed it into law.[58] (The act excluded Palmyra Atoll, part of the Kingdom and Territory of Hawaii, from the new state.) On June 27 of that year, a referendum asked residents of Hawaii to vote on the statehood bill. Hawaii voted 17 to 1 to accept. The choices were to accept the Act or to remain a territory, without the option of independence.[59][60] The United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization later removed Hawaii from the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories."

So china only have 1 map from 1948 what happen before 1948 where was china, and why China not manage those islands since 1948.

 

[Martian2]

So china only have 1 map from 1948 what happen before 1948 where was china, and why China not manage those islands since 1948.

Map is easy to understand

China has imperial records claiming the South China Sea and its islands for 2,000 years.

I focus on the maps, because it's easier for some simple-minded people to understand.

A map is visual and when I say the South China Sea territory shown on the nine-dash-line map has been part of China since 1948 (or 65 years ago), most people understand it's been Chinese territory for three generations based solely on the unchallenged map.

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Trying to discuss calculus with a monkey

At JHungary, I never disputed it (e.g. Hawaii or Puerto Rico) was/is a self-governing territory. I just said it wasn't part of the United States. Do you understand the distinction?

A self-governing territory can be associated with a country, but it's not part of your country until Congress passes a law on admission and the self-governing territory decides to accept. Do you understand these legal hurdles and procedures?

I feel like I'm trying to discuss calculus with a monkey. You don't seem to understand the subtle differences.

 

[jhungary]

"In March 1959, Congress passed the Hawaii Admission Act and U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed it into law.[58] (The act excluded Palmyra Atoll, part of the Kingdom and Territory of Hawaii, from the new state.) On June 27 of that year, a referendum asked residents of Hawaii to vote on the statehood bill. Hawaii voted 17 to 1 to accept. The choices were to accept the Act or to remain a territory, without the option of independence.[59][60] The United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization later removed Hawaii from the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories."

From this map

http://www.energystar.gov/images/new_homes/partners/US.png

maybe Guam and PR both are US States?? I don't know

I win, you lose, period

 

[Minjitta]

IN case you do not realise, I won



lol... you still don't admit that you lose, even tho I post a map from US GOVERNMENTAL WEBPAGE states that Puerto Rico is part of US territories.

Seriously, you lose, nothing you say matter

Here I go again

Congratulation you got my vote you won, hands down

 

[jhungary]

Congratulation you got my vote you won, hands down

lol, stupid guy think he can troll me

The moment he extend the challenge stating if I can find a map of US including Puerto Rico, he loses.

Yet, he still wanted to Twist the fact presented on the table, PUBLICLY.

If Chinese member here get this kind of level of intelligent, I can see how "Legitimate" all their claim will be

 

[Martian2]

lol, stupid guy think he can troll me

The moment he extend the challenge stating if I can find a map of US including Puerto Rico, he loses.

Yet, he still wanted to Twist the fact presented on the table, PUBLICLY.

If Chinese member here get this kind of level of intelligent, I can see how "Legitimate" all their claim will be

No point arguing if you can't understand the distinction

I give up. The monkey wins, because he can't tell the difference between sovereign U.S soil and a self-governing territory.

The U.N. is at loggerheads with the U.S. over self-governing Puerto Rico. Thus, I'm afraid I have to insist Puerto Rico is not part of the United States. However, I'm not willing to argue the point to death. It should be obvious to anyone with common sense that Puerto Rico is a self-governing territory.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico#Within_the_United_States

"In 2006,[107] 2007,[108] 2009,[109] 2010,[110] and 2011[111] the United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization passed resolutions calling on the United States to expedite a process "that would allow Puerto Ricans to fully exercise their inalienable right to self-determination and independence",[112] and to release all Puerto Rican political prisoners in U.S. prisons, to clean up, decontaminate and return the lands in the islands of Vieques and Culebra to the people of Puerto Rico, to perform a probe into U.S. human rights violations on the island and a probe into the killing by the FBI of pro-independence leader Filiberto Ojeda Rios."

 

[jhungary]

Post a map or you lose

Well, more, if you want.

SelectUSA

https://www.bja.gov/annualreport/default.aspx

State Legislature Websites - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Are you really living in the US??

No point arguing if you can't understand the distinction

I give up. The monkey wins, because he can't tell the difference between sovereign U.S soil and a self-governing territory.

lol. So you are saying US territories is not part of the US, then how come almost all Federal Governmental website says otherwise??

If I have to choice between Federal US government information and yours' info, I will choose the US Government anyday.

Admit it, you lose, the moment you say Puerto is not Part of US

Who say US do not have Sovereign right on US territories even if that mean they are unincorped territories to the US? You obviously do not understand the word "Sovereignty" and the word "Territories"

If you live in any US states (Lower 48 states) go to any federal plaza and ask "If US have Sovereign right to Puerto Rico" to any of your federal official, and see what they tell you? No point arguing with monkey who only insult other when they are losing.

You lose, I win, and it will always be like this

 

[Martian2]

If you can't vote for an U.S. President, you're not American

Self-governing territories are not part of the United States until they are annexed by Congress and approved by the self-governing population.

Can Puerto Ricans vote for an American president? No.

Why not? Because Puerto Ricans are not full American citizens.

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When does Puerto Rico become part of the United States? When Congress votes to admit Puerto Rico and Puerto Ricans vote to accept. Until that time, Puerto Rico has not been annexed by the United States.

Are we in agreement now?