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China's Stance
◆China is committed to a peaceful resolution of the South China Sea issue through bilateral dialogues and consultations with related parties. We will not resort to the use of force or the threat of force. China is safeguarding its own legitimate rights, not infringing upon others.
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◆China is committed to a peaceful resolution of the South China Sea issue through bilateral dialogues and consultations with related parties. We will not resort to the use of force or the threat of force. China is safeguarding its own legitimate rights, not infringing upon others.
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Thanks India! Well without the support of the international community, the Philippines does not have the military capability to stop China from aggressively turning the West Philippine Sea into a maritime Tibet. China will succumb to international pressure. This matter is for international tribunal to settle. China is afraid to submit herself to this venue because she has no ammunition to use there. 
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‘PH To Defend National Interests’
By ELLSON A. QUISMORIO
November 19, 2012, 7:05pm
PHNOM PENH, Cambodia — President Benigno S. Aquino III on Monday said the Philippines would defend its national interests as it disagreed with the notion of 2012 Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) Chair Cambodia that a “consensus” had been reached as to the issue of the South China Sea.
Presidential Communications Operations Office (PCOO) Secretary Herminio Coloma, Jr., in a press briefing with Filipino journalists at the Landscape Hotel here, said Aquino made the statement just as Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, acting as the chair, was about to adjourn the ASEAN-Japan Summit on Monday morning.
“President Aquino raised his hand and he was acknowledged and he made a significant intervention,” Coloma said.
“There were several views expressed yesterday on ASEAN unity which we did not realize would be translated into an ASEAN consensus. For the record, this was not our understanding. The ASEAN route is not the only route for us. As a sovereign state, it is our right to defend our national interests,” the Malacañang official quoted Aquino as saying.
According to Coloma, Hun Sen responded by duly acknowledging the statement of Aquino, saying it would be reflected in the record of the meeting.
Coloma said the President’s intervention came during the Chair’s closing remarks in the Japan Summit, wherein the latter touched on the subject of the South China Sea.
“He pointed out that ASEAN has a solid document which is the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties (DoC) which was promulgated in 2002 and that there are guidelines to implement which are the six-point principles,” Coloma said of PM Hun Sen.
“And then he mentioned an ASEAN-China framework and it was at this point that I noticed the President raise his hand to make the intervention. So that is the context of what happened.”
Philippine Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said Hun Sen came up with contentious “ASEAN consensus” during Sunday’s ASEAN retreat session.
“At the ASEAN retreat yesterday, various views were expressed on ASEAN unity, which were translated by the Chair into an ASEAN consensus. This was not the understanding of the Philippines and at least one other country,” Del Rosario said in a text message to Coloma that was passed on to the media present at the briefing.
“When the Chair in the ASEAN-Japan meeting alluded to this, the President indicated that the Philippines was not in accord; That, while the Philippines was for ASEAN unity, it has the inherent right to defend its national interest when deemed necessary.”
Del Rosario also confirmed that the Philippine position was reflected in a formal letter to the Chair, with copies furnished to all foreign ministers in the regional grouping.
“The contents of the letter and what the President said were practically the same,” Coloma said, adding that the letter was dated November 18.
Coloma believes that the mention of an “ASEAN-China framework” by Chair and 21st ASEAN Summit host Cambodia implies doing away with the other options that countries with maritime disputes in the region would normally have at their disposal.
“When you say ASEAN-China, the immediate implication is you are excluding the other options or avenues for resolution that is available to a state like ours,” the Palace official said.
The Philippines, which is embroiled in a territorial row with China over several resource-rich islands in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), has been seeking to resolve the issue using principles of international law, particularly those under the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), in the continued absence of a Code of Conduct (CoC).
Last Saturday, Cambodian Minister of Foreign Affairs Kao Kim Hourn said there is no time frame for the completion of the CoC, which the 10-member ASEAN must draft with its dialogue partner China.
Coloma bared that Vietnam Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung and Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda also batted for the early formulation of the CoC, the peaceful resolution of disputes, freedom of navigation and the 1982 UNCLOS during the meetings.
Asked if the Philippines was somehow deviating from the ASEAN Summit’s overall theme of centrality and unity with what Aquino spoke about, Coloma said that the President was still being consistent.
“ASEAN centrality is a general principle that has broad applications. That cannot be construed to apply only to a single issue. So maybe there’s no inconsistently in affirming ASEAN centrality while at the same time asserting that, as a sovereign state, we have the inherent right to defend our national interests in a way that is appropriate or that the leader of the country would deem to be appropriate.”
By ELLSON A. QUISMORIO
November 19, 2012, 7:05pm
PHNOM PENH, Cambodia — President Benigno S. Aquino III on Monday said the Philippines would defend its national interests as it disagreed with the notion of 2012 Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) Chair Cambodia that a “consensus” had been reached as to the issue of the South China Sea.
Presidential Communications Operations Office (PCOO) Secretary Herminio Coloma, Jr., in a press briefing with Filipino journalists at the Landscape Hotel here, said Aquino made the statement just as Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, acting as the chair, was about to adjourn the ASEAN-Japan Summit on Monday morning.
“President Aquino raised his hand and he was acknowledged and he made a significant intervention,” Coloma said.
“There were several views expressed yesterday on ASEAN unity which we did not realize would be translated into an ASEAN consensus. For the record, this was not our understanding. The ASEAN route is not the only route for us. As a sovereign state, it is our right to defend our national interests,” the Malacañang official quoted Aquino as saying.
According to Coloma, Hun Sen responded by duly acknowledging the statement of Aquino, saying it would be reflected in the record of the meeting.
Coloma said the President’s intervention came during the Chair’s closing remarks in the Japan Summit, wherein the latter touched on the subject of the South China Sea.
“He pointed out that ASEAN has a solid document which is the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties (DoC) which was promulgated in 2002 and that there are guidelines to implement which are the six-point principles,” Coloma said of PM Hun Sen.
“And then he mentioned an ASEAN-China framework and it was at this point that I noticed the President raise his hand to make the intervention. So that is the context of what happened.”
Philippine Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said Hun Sen came up with contentious “ASEAN consensus” during Sunday’s ASEAN retreat session.
“At the ASEAN retreat yesterday, various views were expressed on ASEAN unity, which were translated by the Chair into an ASEAN consensus. This was not the understanding of the Philippines and at least one other country,” Del Rosario said in a text message to Coloma that was passed on to the media present at the briefing.
“When the Chair in the ASEAN-Japan meeting alluded to this, the President indicated that the Philippines was not in accord; That, while the Philippines was for ASEAN unity, it has the inherent right to defend its national interest when deemed necessary.”
Del Rosario also confirmed that the Philippine position was reflected in a formal letter to the Chair, with copies furnished to all foreign ministers in the regional grouping.
“The contents of the letter and what the President said were practically the same,” Coloma said, adding that the letter was dated November 18.
Coloma believes that the mention of an “ASEAN-China framework” by Chair and 21st ASEAN Summit host Cambodia implies doing away with the other options that countries with maritime disputes in the region would normally have at their disposal.
“When you say ASEAN-China, the immediate implication is you are excluding the other options or avenues for resolution that is available to a state like ours,” the Palace official said.
The Philippines, which is embroiled in a territorial row with China over several resource-rich islands in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), has been seeking to resolve the issue using principles of international law, particularly those under the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), in the continued absence of a Code of Conduct (CoC).
Last Saturday, Cambodian Minister of Foreign Affairs Kao Kim Hourn said there is no time frame for the completion of the CoC, which the 10-member ASEAN must draft with its dialogue partner China.
Coloma bared that Vietnam Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung and Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda also batted for the early formulation of the CoC, the peaceful resolution of disputes, freedom of navigation and the 1982 UNCLOS during the meetings.
Asked if the Philippines was somehow deviating from the ASEAN Summit’s overall theme of centrality and unity with what Aquino spoke about, Coloma said that the President was still being consistent.
“ASEAN centrality is a general principle that has broad applications. That cannot be construed to apply only to a single issue. So maybe there’s no inconsistently in affirming ASEAN centrality while at the same time asserting that, as a sovereign state, we have the inherent right to defend our national interests in a way that is appropriate or that the leader of the country would deem to be appropriate.”
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Well the problem of that is its trick a plot to overwhelm the countries with disputes with china so its no different from a military solution ! only a stupid country would agree on that term
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Aquino asks China to pull out ships from Scarborough - DFA chief
By: Veronica Uy, InterAksyon.com
November 21, 2012 4:18 PM
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MANILA, Philippines - President Benigno Aquino III has asked China to pull out its three ships from Scarborough Shoal, Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) Secretary Albert del Rosario told reporters Wednesday.
Asked if the President explicitly asked this of China, Del Rosario said: “In accordance with UNCLOS (United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea) and the DOC (Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea), the President called on all parties to respect the EEZ (Exclusive Economic Zone) and the continental shelf of all coastal states irrespective of their size or naval power.
“That said, the President called on our northern neighbor to respect our EEZ and withdraw their vessels which remain in Bajo de Masinloc.”
Earlier, the DFA chief said three Chinese government vessels remained in the rock formations that form part of the territory of Masinloc town in Zambales.
Aquino asks China to pull out ships from Scarborough - DFA chief - InterAksyon.com
By: Veronica Uy, InterAksyon.com
November 21, 2012 4:18 PM
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MANILA, Philippines - President Benigno Aquino III has asked China to pull out its three ships from Scarborough Shoal, Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) Secretary Albert del Rosario told reporters Wednesday.
Asked if the President explicitly asked this of China, Del Rosario said: “In accordance with UNCLOS (United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea) and the DOC (Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea), the President called on all parties to respect the EEZ (Exclusive Economic Zone) and the continental shelf of all coastal states irrespective of their size or naval power.
“That said, the President called on our northern neighbor to respect our EEZ and withdraw their vessels which remain in Bajo de Masinloc.”
Earlier, the DFA chief said three Chinese government vessels remained in the rock formations that form part of the territory of Masinloc town in Zambales.
Aquino asks China to pull out ships from Scarborough - DFA chief - InterAksyon.com
I actually welcome the US presence in the SCS. Peace right now is essential to progress. What china needs now isn't war, but peace to continue to develop.
Let the Americans pay for the peace. It's actually to China's benefit that they're there. It will keep the extremists and the lunatics in line.
Let the Americans pay for the peace. It's actually to China's benefit that they're there. It will keep the extremists and the lunatics in line.
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Even China is not under rule of CCP, we Chinese also will take those Islands. WTF it does with communist regime?
International tribunal? In your dreamThanks India! Well without the support of the international community, the Philippines does not have the military capability to stop China from aggressively turning the West Philippine Sea into a maritime Tibet. China will succumb to international pressure. This matter is for international tribunal to settle. China is afraid to submit herself to this venue because she has no ammunition to use there.
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China don't have right to take Islands which belong to others. So China is fear to go to International Arbitration, very clear.
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PHL protests China's stamping of its e-passports with West PHL Sea map
MICHAELA DEL CALLAR November 22, 2012 3:38pm
The Philippines on Thursday protested China’s inclusion of a map of the entire West Philippine Sea (also called South China Sea) in its new electronic passports, calling it “unacceptable” and an infringement on the country's sovereignty.
In its boldest assertion to date, Beijing released a new batch of e-passports bearing the map of the disputed area, where the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan have overlapping claims on several territories but is being owned by China in its entirety.
“The Philippines strongly protests the inclusion of the nine-dash lines in the e-passport as such image covers an area that is clearly part of the Philippines’ territory and maritime domain,” said Manila’s note verbale or diplomatic note to China which was read by Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario to the media.
Claimants have been locked in decades of disputes over mostly barren but potentially resource-rich waters in the West Philippine Sea.
China, Vietnam and the Philippines have particularly figured in separate fresh altercations last year and this year that have sparked Asian and international concerns over a possible major armed clash that could threaten access to and the passage of commercial and cargo ships in the busy waters.
“The Philippines does not accept the validity of the nine-dash lines that amount to an excessive declaration of maritime space in violation of international law,” Del Rosario continued, referring to China’s U-shaped nine-dotted line claim that covers most of the sea.
Philippine officials transmitted its protest to the Chinese Embassy in Manila on Wednesday.
“We are expecting a reply soon,” said Foreign Affairs spokesman Raul Hernandez when asked if Manila would ask Beijing to recall the passports.
Vietnam, another claimant, has already complained about the new passports.
The Chinese Embassy in Manila has not yet returned GMA News Online's request for a reaction as of this posting.
In its protest, Manila accused China of violating a non-aggression pact that Beijing signed with the Association of South East Asian Nations which calls on all claimants “to refrain from actions that complicate and escalate the dispute.”
“The Philippines demands that China respect the territory and maritime domain of the Philippines,” the protest letter said.
It also reiterated that the West Philippine Sea including “the waters, islands, rocks and other maritime features in its continental shelf within the 200-nautical mile from the baselines form an integral part of the Philippine territory and maritime jurisdiction.”
Manila has long considered elevating its disputes with China to a mediation body in the United Nations.
The Philippines can not just ignore China's action, Hernandez said, noting that allowing Beijing to continue issuing the said passport with a map that violates the country's sovereignty would mean submission to Beijing’s claim.
“The passport will be used by Chinese nationals and if they carry that kind of map that violates our sovereignty and if we allow that then it would mean acquiescence to their claim of the whole of South China Sea,” Hernandez said.
"Our Constitution says we have to protect our sovereignty and we owe it to our nation to do so," he said. — RSJ/KG, GMA News
PHL protests China's stamping of its e-passports with West PHL Sea map | News | GMA News Online | The Go-To Site for Filipinos Everywhere
MICHAELA DEL CALLAR November 22, 2012 3:38pm
The Philippines on Thursday protested China’s inclusion of a map of the entire West Philippine Sea (also called South China Sea) in its new electronic passports, calling it “unacceptable” and an infringement on the country's sovereignty.
In its boldest assertion to date, Beijing released a new batch of e-passports bearing the map of the disputed area, where the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan have overlapping claims on several territories but is being owned by China in its entirety.
“The Philippines strongly protests the inclusion of the nine-dash lines in the e-passport as such image covers an area that is clearly part of the Philippines’ territory and maritime domain,” said Manila’s note verbale or diplomatic note to China which was read by Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario to the media.
Claimants have been locked in decades of disputes over mostly barren but potentially resource-rich waters in the West Philippine Sea.
China, Vietnam and the Philippines have particularly figured in separate fresh altercations last year and this year that have sparked Asian and international concerns over a possible major armed clash that could threaten access to and the passage of commercial and cargo ships in the busy waters.
“The Philippines does not accept the validity of the nine-dash lines that amount to an excessive declaration of maritime space in violation of international law,” Del Rosario continued, referring to China’s U-shaped nine-dotted line claim that covers most of the sea.
Philippine officials transmitted its protest to the Chinese Embassy in Manila on Wednesday.
“We are expecting a reply soon,” said Foreign Affairs spokesman Raul Hernandez when asked if Manila would ask Beijing to recall the passports.
Vietnam, another claimant, has already complained about the new passports.
The Chinese Embassy in Manila has not yet returned GMA News Online's request for a reaction as of this posting.
In its protest, Manila accused China of violating a non-aggression pact that Beijing signed with the Association of South East Asian Nations which calls on all claimants “to refrain from actions that complicate and escalate the dispute.”
“The Philippines demands that China respect the territory and maritime domain of the Philippines,” the protest letter said.
It also reiterated that the West Philippine Sea including “the waters, islands, rocks and other maritime features in its continental shelf within the 200-nautical mile from the baselines form an integral part of the Philippine territory and maritime jurisdiction.”
Manila has long considered elevating its disputes with China to a mediation body in the United Nations.
The Philippines can not just ignore China's action, Hernandez said, noting that allowing Beijing to continue issuing the said passport with a map that violates the country's sovereignty would mean submission to Beijing’s claim.
“The passport will be used by Chinese nationals and if they carry that kind of map that violates our sovereignty and if we allow that then it would mean acquiescence to their claim of the whole of South China Sea,” Hernandez said.
"Our Constitution says we have to protect our sovereignty and we owe it to our nation to do so," he said. — RSJ/KG, GMA News
PHL protests China's stamping of its e-passports with West PHL Sea map | News | GMA News Online | The Go-To Site for Filipinos Everywhere
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You are a rare exception who sees different from the rest of Chinese members here.
Good to see that.
