South China Sea Forum

[alwaysfair]

Seems like the Chinese will return the drone within a week.
If its violated their 12 nm zone then it should be a permanent seizure . Chinese should show some backbone and follow their countries laws.

 

[sweetgrape]

Seems like the Chinese will return the drone within a week.
If its violated their 12 nm zone then it should be a permanent seizure . Chinese should show some backbone and follow their countries laws.

It is besiness between China and USA, you indian better take care of your "india ocean", don't rush to kiss American ***, you are nobody here, better to sit down quietly and see the good show between China and USA.

We have ball to grab it this time, also have ball to grab it next time if they dare to come with it again, including Indian things.

SCS is not china's territorial waters. Any navy has a right to be present there.

Does earth belong to your American？ any Navy have right to present on it including USA? don’t misguide people, I know that's you like and good at that.

I don't argue with you whether military force is applied to UNCLOS, but you are not signatory of UNCLOS, even we are, but don't apply to you, so you American never talk about so-called international law, because you are the one violating it most frequently.

 

[Zhu Rong Zheng Yang]

1*) This USN underwater drone is the latest generation and usa most advanced underwater drone.

2*) The USN underwater drones were launched from USN virginia sub torpedo tubes from a spot approx. 200 km away from PRC SCS island

3*) After lurking and trespassing inside 12 nm PRC SCS islands for many days -- these drones sailed back towards the usn surface ( pretend to be civilian ) ship, so they can be retrieved.

Super Dumb Dumb and Super Dimwit USN think they can fool Chinese PLAN.

 

[sweetgrape]

Best post i have seen in my 1 week here. You are an example to all of us.
What is a senior member ? No.of posts or quality of posts ?

So, what kind of post should be labeled as good quality of post in you eyes? show it to me, hehe.

 

[alwaysfair]

Let me Apologize to You @alwaysfair.



I am sorry. I have to defend @alwaysfair publicly.
We have to be fair and be very careful brother.
Please do not be careless and we have to defend all those posters who help PRC, and we shall properly THANK them instead.

Remember, ... ... PRC and Chinese soft power reputation globally everywhere are at stake.
Our PRC soft power is declining week by week because of some careless posting like the above.

@alwaysfair is defending CHINA -- why are U attacking him ?

This is not fair -- and we are sabotaging ourselves.
Too many softies weak Chinese in MOFA are already treacherously siding with americese usa in BeiJing.
While at the same time, .... ... Some careless Chinese attack Pro China poster such as @alwaysfair.

Why are we stabbing ourselves in our chests ??

No apology needed. Its the internet.
But i was not defending China.
We have faced similar situations in India where western countries commit crimes here and are let off with a rap on the knuckles.
If we have laws we should enforce them equally for all. But maintain impartiality .

 

[xunzi]

A big deal out of nothing.

 

[艹艹艹]

 

[Zhu Rong Zheng Yang]

@sweetgrape

Please forgive me first. -- I did not mean to offend you at all.
Thanks so much brother for your reply.

I totally agree, cultivating ( strong soft power ) in western Anti--CHINA nations are absolutely useless
and just wasting precious resources.
Instead, .... ...
We shall strive to CULTIVATE ( strong soft power ) in ( well known and proven ) Pro--CHINA nations such as
( RUSSIA, PAKISTAN, IRAN, CAMBODIA, LAOS, THAILAND, PHILIPPINE, SERBIA, BELARUS, CUBA,
all Central Asia nations, IRAQ, SYRIA, and so on ... ... )

I happen to travel extensively in many nations from 3 different continents.
It was obvious to me that while PRC hard power is rising dramatically, ... ...
but the PRC soft power is declining rapidly too.

===

( let's assume >> PRC GDP is = 75+ % of Global GDP, and americese usa has imploded and gone.
usa has been fractured as many little tiny states ), ... ...

IMHO, no matter how strong PRC economically and militarily
PRC and Chinese can NOT prosper and thrive alone globally.
PRC can NOT have military presents on every nation guarding PRC citizens wellbeing on other nations.

If PRC and Chinese soft power is low, then PRC and Chinese will eventually suffer repeated terrorists attacks
backed and sponsored by by PRC previous enemies ( the remnants of usa neocons ).

Then, we PRC will become the new Hegemonic Evil americese.
I am certain 98+ % Chinese hate to become the new Hegemonic Evil americese.

Even if we concentrate on commercial activities alone,
then we will become the hated FERENGI ( money driven Star Trek race ) in the universe.


Hated FERENGI ( money driven Star Trek race )

Thus, ... ...
Roughly speaking, ( PRC soft power ) need to be at least equal to ( 75+ % of our PRC hard power ).

===

My method of differentiating who is Pro China poster or Hidden Anti-China poster is very simple and quick.
If taken ( at Face value ), their content is beneficial to PRC, then I THANK their post.
If taken ( at Face value ), their content is damaging to PRC, then I attacked them.

Presently, IMHO, ... ...
PRC so many problems with americese usa is because we PRC have to many ( soft weak HanJian in MOFA ) and ( soft weak HanJian in PRC Central Propaganda department ), and we have been wasting precious resources cultivating PRC soft power in the wrong place ( western Anti-China nations, such as usa, uk, aussie, france, Israel, Turkey, and so on )

If we can eliminate or squeeze all these HanJian, we can start to be proactive and attack americese usa -- globally from economic front all the way to the military front. -- We do NOT have to be passive and always reactive when facing americese usa. -- Thus, we PRC need to have a reasonably ( strong soft power ) in true Pro CHINA nations to achieve this proactive goal.

 

[sweetgrape]

@sweetgrape

Please forgive me first. -- I did not mean to offend you at all.
Thanks so much brother for your reply.

I totally agree, cultivating ( strong soft power ) in western Anti--CHINA nations are absolutely useless
and just wasting precious resources.
Instead, .... ...
We shall strive to CULTIVATE ( strong soft power ) in ( well known and proven ) Pro--CHINA nations such as
( RUSSIA, PAKISTAN, IRAN, CAMBODIA, LAOS, THAILAND, PHILIPPINE, SERBIA, BELARUS, CUBA,
all Central Asia nations, IRAQ, SYRIA, and so on ... ... )

I happen to travel extensively in many nations from 3 different continents.
It was obvious to me that while PRC hard power is rising dramatically, ... ...
but the PRC soft power is declining rapidly too.

===

( let's assume >> PRC GDP is = 75+ % of Global GDP, and americese usa has imploded and gone.
usa has been fractured as many little tiny states ), ... ...

IMHO, no matter how strong PRC economically and militarily
PRC and Chinese can NOT prosper and thrive alone globally.
PRC can NOT have military presents on every nation guarding PRC citizens wellbeing on other nations.

If PRC and Chinese soft power is low, then PRC and Chinese will eventually suffer repeated terrorists attacks
backed and sponsored by by PRC previous enemies ( the remnants of usa neocons ).

Then, we PRC will become the new Hegemonic Evil americese.
I am certain 98+ % Chinese hate to become the new Hegemonic Evil americese.

Even if we concentrate on commercial activities alone,
then we will become the hated FERENGI ( money driven Star Trek race ) in the universe.

Thus, ... ...
Roughly speaking, ( PRC soft power ) need to be at least equal to ( 75+ % of our PRC hard power ).

===

My method of differentiating who is Pro China poster or Hidden Anti-China poster is very simple and quick.
If taken ( at Face value ), their content is beneficial to PRC, then I THANK their post.
If taken ( at Face value ), their content is damaging to PRC, then I attacked them.

Presently, IMHO, ... ...
PRC so many problems with americese usa is because we PRC have to many ( soft weak HanJian in MOFA ) and ( soft weak HanJian in PRC Central Propaganda department ), and we have been wasting precious resources cultivating PRC soft power in the wrong place ( western Anti-China nations, such as usa, uk, aussie, france, Israel, Turkey, and so on )

If we can eliminate or squeeze all these HanJian, we can start to be proactive and attack americese usa -- globally from economic front all the way to the military front. -- We do NOT have to be passive and always reactive when facing americese usa. -- Thus, we PRC need to have a reasonably ( strong soft power ) in true Pro CHINA nations to achieve this proactive goal.

Now we are developing country, hard power first, Chinese culture is different from western, don't think much about soft power in the western dominated world, western media will keep attacking and defaming Chinese untill their hard power down and can't support their softe power.

I now give up on soft power of China, I had thought like you, but feel that it don't work, even the estern countries like Korean and Japanese influenced by us, so-called soft power are much anti-China, how do you think the else? this is jungle world, only respect fist, pity weak one, if the weak one become strong, expecially stronger than them, they will be jealous, and follow the powerful state that they have got used to, attack the rising one, this is real world.

How to develop our soft power? developing economy and industry, the only way, for hard power and soft power both, soft power can goes far without hard power, the case that soft power goes further than hard power only apply to weak and small country, and it is very weak and fragile.

Soft power come out of hard power, you should know that, don't think Russia, Iran and other so-called friendly country will help you when you are weak with powerful soft power, they need protect their people first, and they can go with you, because you have strong hard power which can give them tangible help and benefits, then you soft power comes.

So-called pro China and anti China, even a Japanese perform he is pro-China, I will not thank him, I more like generous enemy than hypocritic friend in disguise, of course you can keep your view.

As to Hanjian, every countries has, for every country, the biggest threat to ourself is the internal enemy, but what is the real reason that make them choose to be a traitor, the real casue is still weak hard power, and the so-called internal traitor of China is exaggerated, and as we becoming stronger, less chinese will choose to traitor, who want to be slave of foreigner if there are much choices?

Our prior mission is building capability that sinking American 11 carriers and destroying all the USA base around us, then made more and better movies that can compete with Hollywood, We Chinese are too humble, but don't work, we should be a little aggressive if you don't want to be bullied.

I think we are off topic, but on topic, very glad that the case make American and its follower angry.

 

[Zhu Rong Zheng Yang]

@sweetgrape

South Korean and Japanese are not and will probably never be PROVEN to become the ( Pro CHINA nations ).
South Korea and Japan and those Barbaric western Anti-China nations -- will only understand PRC Hard Power.

But, ( RUSSIA, PAKISTAN, IRAN, CAMBODIA, THAILAND, SERBIA, BELARUS, CUBA,
all Central Asia nations, IRAQ, and SYRIA ) are ALREADY PROVEN over the last 25 years to be the ( Pro CHINA nations ).

Too many influential Chinese are dismissing and overlooking these PROVEN to be the ( Pro CHINA nations ) just because they are a bit weak economically. -- IMHO, ... ... this is totally unwise and very short sighted.
PRC shall assist these ( Pro CHINA nations ) to acquire Long Term Prosperity as much as possible and
as soon as possible.

===

STOP and Freeze all investment flows towards the western Anti-China nations immediately.

Too many influential Chinese are acting and behaving like the Hated FERENGI in Star Trek.
PROFIT justify everything.
Vuck ETHICS and vuck everything in the name of PROFIT.


I will stop here in order not to derail this thread.
Back to the ( USN Trespassing PRC 12 nm drones ) topic.

 

[nadeemkhan110]

USNS Bowditch CREDIT: CHINFO NAVY VISUAL NEWS SERVICE/AP
Donald Trump has said the US should let the Chinese keep the underwater drone they seized off the coast of the Philippines last week.

The president-elect, who used Twitter to condemn the Chinese for seizing the drone in the first place, used the same platform to re-enter the fray later in the day.


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Donald J. Trump

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We should tell China that we don't want the drone they stole back.- let them keep it!

5:59 AM - 18 Dec 2016

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His latest intervention came after the Chinese authorities agreed to return the equipment which the Americans said was being used for navigational work.


The incident was triggered when a Chinese naval ship, which had been shadowing the USNS Bowditch took one of the drones.

According to the Pentagon the drone, known as an unmanned underwater vehicle (UUV), was operating legally in international waters - even though Beijing has claimed the South China Seas in its entirety.

News of the seizure incensed Mr Tump. "China steals United States Navy research drone in international waters - rips it out of water and takes it to China in unprecedented act," he tweeted .

Beijing, which initially accused the US of "hyping up" the incident agreed to return it following negotiations.


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Donald J. Trump

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China steals United States Navy research drone in international waters - rips it out of water and takes it to China in unprecedented act.

6:57 PM - 17 Dec 2016

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"Through direct engagement with Chinese authorities, we have secured an understanding that the Chinese will return the UUV to the United States," Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook said in a statement.

However Mr Trump was unimpressed by the gesture, tweeting on Saturday evening: "We should tell China that we don't want the drone they stole back.- let them keep it!".

His intervention will do little to ease relations with Beijing, with the authorities incensed by Mr Trump's willingness to hold a telephone call with the Taiwanese leader Tsai Ing-wen.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-us-should-let-chinese-keep-underwater-drone/

 

[Jlaw]

the funny thing is american media keep mentioning that china stole their drone outside the 9-dash line..

what does this sound like to you?

Crying. Like a bully in school crying to the teacher

 

[TaiShang]

China should give the credit to Trump's misspelled Tweet for the eventual diplomatic argument to further polish his ego. This will make Obama and his party, which is half of the country, weak and pathetic.

Although Trump may not have good English skills to express himself in written form, he can still grab Obama and his party supporters by the 'you know where.'

Polishing up Trump ego is a good tactic to employ against him to ensure his friendship. Look how Putin grabbed him by the 'you know where.' Now Trump is more pro_Putin than most Russians.

Trump is easy to play with and manipulate. This seizure of illegal US assets in China's sovereign peripheries is a very well planned trick.

In fact, it is a text book example for multilateral strategy.

 

[Dungeness]

China should give the credit to Trump's misspelled Tweet for the eventual diplomatic argument to further polish his ego. This will make Obama and his party, which is half of the country, weak and pathetic.

Although Trump may not have good English skills to express himself in written form, he can still grab Obama and his party supporters by the 'you know where.'

Polishing up Trump ego is a good tactic to employ against him to ensure his friendship. Look how Putin grabbed him by the 'you know where.' Now Trump is more pro_Putin than most Russians.

Trump is easy to play with and manipulate. This seizure of illegal US assets in China's sovereign peripheries is a very well planned trick.

In fact, it is a text book example for multilateral strategy.

Now this "you know where" grabber sounds more like G. W. Bush than a legitimate president elect. Is he really the best Americans can come up with and deserve?

 

[WaLeEdK2]

@Chinese-Dragon @Beast LOL this guy is all talk. So much for the tough stance. I think china will have it a little too easy