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I wonder if China has a contingency plan and prepared equipment to arm these vessels, in case Vietnamese or other rogue ships get more aggressive and lethal than they have been in recent months, when trying to violate and undermine Chinese sovereignty and open attacks on Chinese ships.

Immediately sending military into action will attrack violent rogue regimes from overseas with an open invitation to fuel the destabilization of the South China Sea.
enough to deter other coast guard ships and small vessels, not enough for a corvette and up.

Though that's what the 50 planned Type 56 is for, some speculate the number can and will reach 100. It will reach I think 19 or 18 or 20 this year, and about 30 next year.
 
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Vietnam is facing enormous historic responsibility
VietNamNet Bridge - Vietnam is facing major responsibility that history has entrusted: It is to use international law to maintain peace in a vital area of the world.

n recent years, countries in the region such as the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam have seen important changes related to the disputes in the East Sea (South China Sea).

With the Philippines, after conducting peaceful dialogue to resolve the dispute, as China’s stance did not change, at the end of January 2013, the Philippines took its case against China to the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea under Annex VII of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

In late February, Francis Jardeleza, the lawyer in charge of the lawsuit of the Filipino Government, urged Vietnam and Malaysia to participate in the lawsuit. One month after the call, the Philippines submitted legal files of nearly 4,000 pages to the International Tribunal in accordance with the process.

In Malaysia, in March 2013, Chinese warships appeared for the first time in James Shoals, deep into the exclusive economic zone (EEZ) of Malaysia, just 43 nautical miles from the Sarawak coast. This is the southernmost point in the "cow tongue" of China.

For approximately six months later, Malaysia implemented a plan to establish a new naval base in the largest town of Sarawak to deal with China's threats.

Since the early 1990s, Indonesia has not had a marine dispute with China. Indonesia holds a neutral position and plays an intermediary role in reconciliation between the parties. After the signing of the "Declaration on the Conduct of the Parties in the East Sea" (DOC) in 2002, for nearly a decade, Indonesia and other ASEAN countries drafted the "Code of Conduct on the East Sea" (COC) which is more binding than the DOC. This effort did not receive a positive response from China.

In mid-April 2014, Indonesia changed its neutral position when it announced it would to strengthen military forces in the Natuna Islands as the "cow tongue" of China covers Indonesia's territorial waters.

On the Vietnam side, from the early 2000s, China blatantly announced an annual fishing ban on the waters of Vietnam. Moreover, China constantly caused damage to property and lives of Vietnamese fishermen.

At the beginning of October 2011, in the presence of the two party leaders, China and Vietnam signed an agreement to resolve maritime issues "through negotiations and friendly consultations". [5]

At the end of November 2011, the Vietnamese government for the first time mentioned the event in which China used force to conquer the entire Paracel Islands in 1974.

Prior to the escalation of aggression, provocation and serious violations of international laws of China, in late April 2013, Vietnam's leaders also for the first time mentioned international law as a tool to resolve disputes with China.

In early May 2014, when it blatantly deployed its oil rig deep into in Vietnam's EEZ, seriously violating the sovereignty of Vietnam, China officially showed Vietnam and the international community that China’s commitments to Vietnam, including an agreement signed in 2011 on resolve marine disputes in the East Sea by "peaceful dialogue", absolutely has no value.

For the past nearly 40 years, Vietnam has constantly urged China to resolve disputes over Hoang Sa and Truong Sa (Paracel-Spratly) Islands by peaceful dialogue.

According to a Chinese scholar Hanling Wang, China's view is: "There is nothing to negotiate. China's sovereignty over the Paracel Islands has never been the subject of dispute and Vietnam acknowledged this in the past. Discussing collaborative efforts to protect natural resources, search and rescue and other things is one thing, China's sovereignty is a different thing."

China's stance on the Paracel Islands is clear: the Paracel belongs to China. They also falsely suggested that Vietnam "set aside dispute and pursue joint development" on the Spratly Islands, in the waters of Vietnam.

With over 3.5 million km2, the East Sea is a part of the Pacific Ocean, covering the territorial waters of Vietnam, China, Taiwan, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, and Singapore.

In the era of economic globalization, the East Sea is not only important for these regional countries but also for many other countries in the world.

Every year more than $5.3 trillion of international trade passes through the East Sea, including $1.2 trillion from the US.

Due to the strategic positions of the Paracel and Spratly Islands, they play a key role in China’s "cow tongue" in the East Sea.

When using international law to resolve the East Sea dispute with China, Vietnam not only solves the problem of territorial sovereignty between the two countries, but also can help bring security and stability for all countries, depending on maritime traffic through the East Sea.

It also shows the world that Vietnam is a country that respects law and is accountable to the international community.

To create a breakthrough in the deadlock and to take advantage of the current advantages, considered from the perspective of international law, historical evidence and the regional situation as mentioned in the article, Vietnam should publicly urge China to agree to resolve the East Sea disputes at international courts.

China has its representative judges in the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea and the International Court of Justice; China has always insisted to the world that they had sufficient historical and legal evidence supporting the "cow tongue" claim in general and the Paracel and Spratly Islands in particular.

If China wants to prove that they are also a law-abiding country and responsible to the international community, if China's assertion of sovereignty is based on truth, there is hardly any other plausible reasons for China to deny the role of settling disputes between countries that the International Court has performed effectively in the past 60 years.

Vietnam is facing a major responsibility entrusted by history. It is to use international law to maintain peace in a vital area of the world.

Thai Van Cau

(The author is a space scientist of Vietnamese origin living in the U.S.)
 
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Analysis: ASEAN finds voice over South China Sea dispute
James Hardy, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
14 August 2014


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PLA marines march past a monument in the Chinese base at Fiery Cross Reef in April 2010. Credit: Xinhua

The Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) regional forum that took place in Myanmar over the weekend of 9-10 August was the latest multilateral platform at which officials could address ongoing developments in the South China Sea dispute.

In a surprise move, on 10 August the foreign ministers of the ASEAN member nations issued a joint communiqué that highlighted their "serious concerns" over "recent developments which have increased tensions in the South China Sea". They also "reaffirmed the importance of maintaining peace, stability, maritime security as well as freedom of navigation in and over-flight above the South China Sea". Previous events inevitably ended with anodyne statements tamely reaffirming the parties' commitment to "resolve issues in the South China Sea in a peaceful manner".

This time it was different. "We urged all parties concerned to exercise self-restraint and avoid actions which would complicate the situation and undermine peace, stability, and security in the South China Sea and to settle disputes through peaceful means, without resorting to the threat or use of force", the communiqué added.

This is an unusually forceful language from a body that has previously struggled to find common ground on the South China Sea dispute, most notably at the 2012 ASEAN summit in Phnom Penh, when the Cambodian chairman prevented the Philippine foreign minister from speaking by turning off his microphone.

So what has changed? One school of analysis suggests that more aggressive Chinese rhetoric and activities - adopted by Beijing based on the belief that it deserves the respect that great power status confers - have inspired equally strong reactions from its neighbours.

Another is that the countries most affected by China's activities in the South China Sea - Vietnam and the Philippines - persuaded their ASEAN partners that stronger rhetoric was needed after two changes to the status quo: China's moving of a large oil rig into Vietnam's exclusive economic zone in May and revelations that it is reclaiming land at a number of reefs in the Spratly Islands - in clear defiance of the 2002 Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea.

The Chinese position is that the United States and its regional clients - the Philippines and Japan in particular - are creating a sense of crisis in the South China Sea that is not reflected in reality. This position, articulated in an editorial published by Xinhua news agency, accused US Secretary of State John Kerry of "exaggerating the maritime tensions in the region" with his call ahead of the ASEAN forum to freeze activities in the sea. It added that "Washington is further emboldening countries like the Philippines and Vietnam to take a hardline stance against China, raising suspicion over the real intention of the United States and mak[ing] an amicable solution more difficult to reach."

China's position has drawn some support in the United States, where some argue that a misplaced sense of East Asia's value to the US national interest is combining with ideological suspicion of China. Professor Christopher Layne of Texas A&M University wrote in The Financial Times on 13 August that the "liberal assumptions embedded in American foreign policy" have led to a "spiral of animosity that threatens to culminate in a confrontation between the two countries."

Layne and others argue that the United States needs to appease China's claims to Taiwan and in the South and East China seas on purely pragmatic terms; in their argument, giving up both would have no effect on the US's long-term strategic security.

This may be correct, but it is clear that the immediate effect of such moves would be the destruction of the US alliance system and the post-war consensus. A likely consequence would be the procurement of offensive weapons by Japan - possibly including nuclear weapons - which in turn would risk all-out conflict in Northeast Asia. This may not have a direct effect on the security of the continental United States, but would undermine the international order of which the US has been the 'system administrator'.

Given the US's commitment to maintaining the post-war system, such disengagement is unlikely. However, big questions remain over how it is going to convince China to take statements such as the ASEAN communiqué into account.

The most notable change in rhetorical temperature has been the prominence given to the South China Sea in statements by Kerry and President Barack Obama, who in an interview with The Economist published on 2 August said that issues such as "what's happening in the ASEAN countries and their concerns about the Chinese posture on maritime issues is instructive. You've seen many of those countries say, we want great relations with China, we don't want to have to choose between China and the United States; on the other hand, we don't want to be bullied just because we're small."

Noting that when dealing with China "simple appeals to international norms are insufficient," Obama added: "There have to be mechanisms, both to be tough with them when we think that they're breaching international norms, but also to show them the potential benefits over the long term."

However, until the United States can outline what these mechanisms are there is unlikely to be any major change in the US position, and by extension, a reduction in tensions in the South China Sea dispute. The only thing that has changed is that the dispute is front and centre in Sino-US relations, where previously it was an irritant that both sides preferred to leave on the sidelines.

Analysis: ASEAN finds voice over South China Sea dispute - IHS Jane's 360
 
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So what has changed? One school of analysis suggests that more aggressive Chinese rhetoric and activities - adopted by Beijing based on the belief that it deserves the respect that great power status confers - have inspired equally strong reactions from its neighbours.

Source: South China Sea News & Discussions | Page 489
China oil rig parked inside the conflict zone is the turning point that make all ASEAN nations feel want to unite together.

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India is assessing whether to explore oil in five blocks in the South China sea, on the invitation of Vietnam, a crucial and strategically located south east Asian friend, the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) has said.

External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj is on a three-day visit to Vietnam starting today.

China lays claim to most of the South China Sea, but MEA Spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin said Vietnam says these five blocks are in its waters. Hanoi made the offer for exploration to New Delhi in November last year and the latter is assessing data.

Sources said India believes some of these oil wells could be extremely productive and is inclined to take up exploration, though no agreement has been signed yet.

Vietnam is fighting China over maritime boundaries in the South China Sea, which is rich in resources, fishing potential and an extremely busy sea with constant commercial traffic. It looks upon India as a friend and a supporter on disputes with China.

Ms Swaraj's visit is expected to focus on economic and defence ties. In September President Pranab Mukherjee will visit Vietnam and NDTV has learnt that during this visit he will officially extend a 100-million-dollar line of credit in the defence sector.

With that credit Vietnam can buy two or three petrol vessels, though the country has a much longer wishlist. It wants surveillance equipment, unmanned aerial vehicles, tanks, ships and the Brahmos, a cruise missile.

Defence experts believe the 100-million-dollar credit is small, but is a foot in the door and big message to China which is expected to be upset over it. China considers south east Asia to be its area of influence.

India May Explore Oil in South China Sea
 
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Sushma Swaraj in Hanoi, India examining Vietnam’s South China Sea oil blocks offer

HANOI: Vietnam on Monday made a strong pitch for greater Indian involvement in maintaining maritime safety, security and settlement of territorial disputes in the disputed South and East China Seas even as India is preparing to expand its oil and gas exploration in the seas claimed by China.

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Vietnamese deputy prime minister and foreign minister Pham Binh Minh, addressing the Third Round Table on Asean-India Network of Thinktanks, said the cooperation between India and Asean "needs to be more effective and efficient as the security and development landscape is experiencing swift and complex conversions".

He noted that India-Asean's "future development and integration lie in the South China Sea and Indian Ocean" and that both sides should focus "more on maintaining maritime safety and security, freedom of navigation and settling territorial disputes through peaceful means on the basis of international law, including the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982".

Pham Binh Minh had in the morning briefed visiting Indian external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj on the subject. He also briefed the visiting Indian heads of missions from the region who have gathered here for a meeting on the South China Sea developments, said sources.


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Relations between China and Vietnam have been tense since the past few months after Beijing installed a $1 billion oil rig in May in the South China Sea near the Paracel Islands, which is claimed by Hanoi. Both sides were locked in a bitter stand-off for a few months, and though China has withdrawn the oil rig, the tensions continue to simmer.

Sushma Swaraj, who called on Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang and Vice-President Nguyan Tha Doan and held bilateral talks with her counterpart, did not touch on the subject during her address. She said that geographical connectivity with the Asean should be boosted through land, sea and air.

Significantly, Sushma Swaraj's visit is to lay the groundwork for the state visit by President Pranab Mukherjee in mid-September, days before the India visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Ignoring China's opposition, Vietnam has offered India five additional oil and gas blocks in the South China Sea for exploration.

India is "looking at the feasibility" of exploring the five oil and gas blocks, which were offered last year to OVL, the overseas arm of Oil and Natural Gas Corp, said an official source here. These five are in addition to the two blocks offered earlier to India, the source added.

During the visit to India last year by Vietnamese Communist Party's general secretary Nguyen Phu Trong, Hanoi had invited India to hunt for oil and gas in the disputed South China Sea. India had also made Hanoi the offer of $100 million line of credit for the purchase of four offshore patrol vessels.


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The visit of President Mukherjee is likely to see some agreements between the two nations in the field of defence, the source added.

With India and Vietnam strategic partners, talks in defence is an important area of their cooperation. Both sides are reviewing their defence relations "in terms of improving the human resource development" constituent that would work out in terms of training.

On the issue of the South China Sea, India stands for peaceful and negotiated settlement to the issue based on international law, like the UNCLOS. India's stand has been appreciated by Vietnam, the official added.

India's viewpoint is that it is not a party to the dispute in the South China Sea and feels that the dispute should be resolved between those who are parties to this in a peaceful manner, and in accordance with international law. India also has interest in ensuring that there is free right of navigation and access to natural resources in that region, the official added.

India and Vietnam, which already have ties in terms of extradition of prisoners and transfer of sentenced people, are also looking at cooperation in tackling cyber crime, the official added. Bilateral trade ties, which stand at $8 billion, are also sought to be boosted with more interactions between their businesspersons.

In the field of tourism, both countries would look at their Buddhism circuit.

Direct flights between India and Vietnam are set to take off from November with Jet Airways and Vietnam Airlines to fly directly from New Delhi and Mumbai to Hanoi with a stopover at Bangkok.

Both countries are also looking to cooperate in the field of education, especially in the primary classes.
 
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chinese should not complain, they promote a world of being multipolar, aren´t they?

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weak countries such as vietnam and india prefer to complain. Our language is to respose.
really? what response do you gonna do?? there is nothing china can do to stop this. despite india's objection china is doing construction works in Azad Kashmir so india will do oil explorations in SCS, doesn't matter what china would feel.
 
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That was a best move of Vietnam.They know that when we begin the exploration of 7 blocks we will also use our naval support for the security of oil blocks or we can see a comparatively better Indian naval presence in SCS.

We should take our decision based on the maximum national interest.
 
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