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In ancient time, chinese recognized there is Jiao Zhi Sea, the Sea of Jiao Zhi people (Vietnamese).

 

[EastSea]

Hoang Sa Truong Sa belong to Vietnam.

Vietnam has sufficient historical and legal evidence to prove its sovereignty over the Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) Islands, which the country occupied peacefully in the 17th century and has since exercised its jurisdiction over them.

Monument for Hoang Sa naval fleet. The Fleet established by Nguyen Dynasty Vietnam.

Prior to the 17th century, the two archipelagos belonged to no other nation in the region or from other parts of the world.
After political and historical changes in Vietnam, the region as well as the world in the 20th century, the Hoang Sa islands and part of the Truong Sa archipelago were illegally occupied by many different countries. However, the Vietnamese nation, no matter what regime is in power, has never renounced its sovereignty over both archipelagos and has always asserted they are an inseparable part of Vietnam.
Protecting sovereignty over Hoang Sa and Truong Sa is an important, long-term national cause for Vietnam.
In the island district of Ly Son, Quang Ngai province, there is the historic Am Linh Tu pagoda dedicated to the Hoang Sa naval heroes who sacrificed their lives to assert and protect Vietnam’s sovereignty over the Hoang Sa islands nearly 300 years ago. Ly Son Island also has a museum and monument for the Hoang Sa naval fleet.
Inside the royal citadel in Hue, there are nine bronze urns cast under the Nguyen Dynasty in the 19th century which are considered Vietnam’s pictorial encyclopedia. The largest urn, Cao dinh, bears the image of the East Sea with the short, clear caption: Dong Hai (East Sea).
A gallery of Hoang Sa-related documents is located at the Department of Home Affairs of Danang city, where the Hoang Sa island district People’s Committee is headquartered.
In July 2010, Danang named its two longest and most beautiful roads after the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa islands. Ho Chi Minh City also has Hoang Sa and Truong Sa Roads along Nhieu Loc Canal in Tan Binh District and District 3.

 

[Eliter]

In ancient time, chinese recognized there is Jiao Zhi Sea, the Sea of Jiao Zhi people (Vietnamese).

Jiao Zhi Sea=Jiao Zhi people (Vietnamese)?!

Sea of Japan=?
South China Sea=?
Indian Ocean=?

 

[Eliter]

Nansha Qundao, Nansha Islands, Spratly Islands 南沙群岛

Nanzi Dao, South-west cay 南子岛
2950X1825

 

[Eliter]

Nansha Qundao, Nansha Islands, Spratly Islands 南沙群岛

Shuangzi Qunjiao, the Two Islands, North Danger Reef or N. Danger Cay 双子群礁

 

[EastSea]

Jiao Zhi Sea=Jiao Zhi people (Vietnamese)?!

Sea of Japan=?
South China Sea=?
Indian Ocean=?

Vietnam controlled Islands from ancient time, with out any trouble with Man Quing dynasty China. So chinese called it be course they recognizet that Vietnamese controlled Islands.
Idiot chinese a robbed our Islands with force illegally some of them in 1956, 1974, 1984, 1988 recently.

 

[EastSea]

1904 China map admits Paracel, Spratly not Chinese territory

A Chinese language expert in Vietnam has an official map of China from 1904 that does not show Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) islands as belonging to that country.

The map possessed by Mai Hong, former head of the archive at the Han Nom Institute that studies ancient Vietnamese language and its influence by Chinese, for more than 30 years shows Hainan Island as China’s southernmost tip.

The two archipelagoes off Vietnam’s central coast are not shown in the map.

But now China claims the islands despite lots of historical evidence showing Vietnam’s existence on the islands before anyone else.

A Vietnamese map from 1834 includes the two islands.

Hong said the colored-paper map was made during the Qing Dynasty era and published by the Shanghai Publishing House.

Hong said the Chinese descriptions on the map indicate it took from 1708 to 1904, from the time of Emperor Guangxi to that of Guangxu, to complete it.

The kings sent scholars and experts, including Westerners such as Johann Adam Schall von Bell and Ferdinand Verbiest, to all of China's then 13 provinces for the task, he said.

The foreword was written by the then director of an observatory.

Hong had bought the map from a familiar book seller for his institute. “He showed me the map and suggested that I should buy it. It cost more than my one month salary.”

On July 4 he handed over the well-preserved, 115 cm x 140 cm map to the Vietnam National History Museum in Hanoi. A handover ceremony is being held Tuesday with several historians attending.

“I think this map can provide some very good information for Vietnam’s defense at international negotiations. A proof from China themselves will save us from (verbal) attacks.”

Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily | 1904 China map admits Paracel, Spratly not Chinese territory

With narrow-minded nationalism, deception, aggression..., Chinese hope continue to deception international community. action that is trampling on international law of the chinese.

 

[Eliter]

Nansha Qundao, Nansha Islands, Spratly Islands 南沙群岛

Chigua Jiao, Johnson Reef 赤瓜礁
Guihan Jiao, Collins Reef 鬼喊礁
2980X2718

 

[EastSea]

Old western maps: Hoang Sa, Truong Sa belong to Vietnam



VietNamNet Bridge – Many old western maps show that Vietnam has established its sovereignty over the Truong Sa (Spratly) and Hoang Sa (Paracel) archipelagos for over five centuries, said a local researcher.

A map made by Jodocus Hondius in 1613.


Tran Duc Anh Son, Deputy Director of the Danang Institute for Socio-economic Development, said he has collected 56 western maps including one made by Livro da Marinjaria FM Pinnto in 1560, one by Gerard Mercetor in the late 16th century, and another made by Stielers Handatla in 1891.
All the maps, drawn in pictographs or scripts, show that both the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa are part of Vietnam, named Cauchi, Cochi, Cochinchina, or Cochinnhine by Western countries.
In the map made by Jodocus Hondius in 1613, the Frael (Hoang Sa) archipelago includes all the islands from the Tonkin Gulf to Vietnam’s southern sea, except for Condor (Con Dao) and Pulo Cici (Phu Quoc), which were drawn separately.

In another map drawn by W. Blaeu in 1645, the Frael (Hoang Sa) archipelago is connected with Pulo Secca de Mare (Phu Quy island), Pulo Cambir (Cu Lao Xanh), and Cullo Canton (Ly Son island), creating a group of islands belonging to Dang Trong (Vietnam’s Southern region).
Especially, the caption Paracel seu Cat Vang (Paracel or Cat Vang) in a map made by Bishop Jean-Louis Taberd, which was written in Han (Chinese), Quoc Ngu (standard Vietnamese) and Latin languages, means that Hoang Sa islands belong to Vietnam.
This means, Son said, many Western cartographers, experts and discoverers have recognized the Hoang Sa archipelago as part of Vietnam, which they called Cochinchine, Cochinchina, or Annam.
These maps are precious documents which confirm Vietnam has long exercised its sovereignty over the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa archipelagos.
VietNamNet/VOV

 

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[Eliter]

Old western maps: Hoang Sa, Truong Sa belong to Vietnam



VietNamNet Bridge – Many old western maps show that Vietnam has established its sovereignty over the Truong Sa (Spratly) and Hoang Sa (Paracel) archipelagos for over five centuries, said a local researcher.

A map made by Jodocus Hondius in 1613.


Tran Duc Anh Son, Deputy Director of the Danang Institute for Socio-economic Development, said he has collected 56 western maps including one made by Livro da Marinjaria FM Pinnto in 1560, one by Gerard Mercetor in the late 16th century, and another made by Stielers Handatla in 1891.
All the maps, drawn in pictographs or scripts, show that both the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa are part of Vietnam, named Cauchi, Cochi, Cochinchina, or Cochinnhine by Western countries.
In the map made by Jodocus Hondius in 1613, the Frael (Hoang Sa) archipelago includes all the islands from the Tonkin Gulf to Vietnam’s southern sea, except for Condor (Con Dao) and Pulo Cici (Phu Quoc), which were drawn separately.

In another map drawn by W. Blaeu in 1645, the Frael (Hoang Sa) archipelago is connected with Pulo Secca de Mare (Phu Quy island), Pulo Cambir (Cu Lao Xanh), and Cullo Canton (Ly Son island), creating a group of islands belonging to Dang Trong (Vietnam’s Southern region).
Especially, the caption Paracel seu Cat Vang (Paracel or Cat Vang) in a map made by Bishop Jean-Louis Taberd, which was written in Han (Chinese), Quoc Ngu (standard Vietnamese) and Latin languages, means that Hoang Sa islands belong to Vietnam.
This means, Son said, many Western cartographers, experts and discoverers have recognized the Hoang Sa archipelago as part of Vietnam, which they called Cochinchine, Cochinchina, or Annam.
These maps are precious documents which confirm Vietnam has long exercised its sovereignty over the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa archipelagos.
VietNamNet/VOV

HERE！ Vietnam Trường Sa Hoàng Sa

 

[EastSea]

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In old time there is deviation is aceptable, in any case Vietnamese drawn up the Islands closer to main land is to demostration that all the Island in East sea of Vietnam is our territory.

Look here this map made by westerner is not so correct in distance from Main land Vietnam to the Islands. But westerner understood that the Islands belong to Vietnam. Understand idiot Chinese boy ?

Danvilleen's Indochina map in 1735 also demonstrated that Paracel and Spratly Island belong to Vietnam,

 

[Eliter]

In old time there is deviation is aceptable, in any case Vietnamese drawn up the Islands closer to main land is to demostration that all the Island in East sea of Vietnam is our territory.

Look here this map made by westerner is not so correct in distance from Main land Vietnam to the Islands. But westerner understood that the Islands belong to Vietnam. Understand idiot Chinese boy ?

Danvilleen's Indochina map in 1735 also demonstrated that Paracel and Spratly Island belong to Vietnam,

This map isn't Vietnamese map.Ancient Vietnamese was idiot thief.

 

[EastSea]

This map isn't Vietnamese map.Ancient Vietnamese was idiot thief.

Chinese are idiot sea pirates. Look here, in time of Man Quing Dynasty the "full map" of China with last point is Hainan Island, who is the thief here ? China is the thief, understand ?. Idiot robber, but big mouth.

(I think you can read chinese title of the map)

 

[xuxu1457]

Chinese are idiot sea pirates. Look here, in time of Man Quing Dynasty the "full map" of China with last point is Hainan Island, who is the thief here ? China is the thief, understand ?. Idiot robber, but big mouth.

(I think you can read chinese title of the map)

The map is "Dynasty Directly controled area map", 200years ago, useless, at that time Russia is still at EU, US hadn't reach west sea line; In history, VN has been a part of China four times, do you really want back as history???