Secularism is a disease. If Pakistan becomes secular, I hope to god Indian jets bomb us to death. We are the sons Sindhava and we are muslim. Secularism is just making the state religion Atheism.
So brother Turkey is a disease? And Ironclad China is worse than disease?
Pakistanis love for Turks and Turkey is very "superficial" its not a true love or brotherhood when Erdogan leaves power at some point Pakistanis will find another country to fan boy for which is quite sad
Why the fcuk are you living "incorrectly" in the USA. Fill this in [was born here, for education, chasing dollars/dames, other].
Depends on how you pursue "secularism". If it is Indian style cow cola "secularism" then yes it is deadly.
Turkey is not getting rid of its secularist system it's in fact going through a transition from the military being the guarantee of Kemalism to civil society and the general populace. Throughout the 20th century, the Turkish Armed Forces guaranteed the Kemalist reforms as civil society and the populace was generally illiterate and timid and could easily be used by foreign forces a century after reforms Turks were finally given a chance to elect a non-military linked leader that was Erdogan in 2002 Turkish Armed Forces could have got rid of Erdogan in 2016 but chose not to as it would have made him a martyr in the eyes of the populace so its better to work with him and besides Erdogan has gotten into trouble from his own party for trying to change the basic sets of "Kemalist reforms"
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Yet a new survey by an Istanbul-based polling company suggests that Turkish youth have become considerably more secular under Erdogan's rule, with more modern outlooks on life and better education.
I could say the same about you.
I said secularism is a disease not Turkey.
they are.
Great post. AKP is like right of centre party with a nod to religion like Christian Democrats in Europe and Republicans in USA.Turkey is not getting rid of its secularist system it's in fact going through a transition from the military being the guarantee of Kemalism to civil society and the general populace. Throughout the 20th century, the Turkish Armed Forces guaranteed the Kemalist reforms as civil society and the populace was generally illiterate and timid and could easily be used by foreign forces a century after reforms Turks were finally given a chance to elect a non-military linked leader that was Erdogan in 2002 Turkish Armed Forces could have got rid of Erdogan in 2016 but chose not to as it would have made him a martyr in the eyes of the populace so its better to work with him and besides Erdogan has gotten into trouble from his own party for trying to change the basic sets of "Kemalist reforms"
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Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday called on Egyptians to adopt a secular constitution, noting that secularism does not mean renouncing religion.
A secular state respects all religions, Erdogan said in an interview with the private satellite TV channel Dream before heading to Egypt for a two-day visit.
"Do not be wary of secularism. I hope there will be a secular state in Egypt," Erdogan said.
He stressed that people have the right to choose whether or not to be religious, adding that he is a Muslim prime minister for a secular state.
Erdogan said Egypt needs to meet some requirements for establishing a modern state, including better management of human resources, more attention to education, improved management of financial resources and
Erdogan calls for a secular Egypt - Egypt Independent
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday called on Egyptians to adopt a secular constitution, noting that secularism does not mean renouncing religion. A secular state respects all religions, Erdogan said in an interview with the private satellite TV channel Dream before heading to...Islamists Criticize Turkish Premier's 'Secular' Remarks
The Muslim Brotherhood objected to statements by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan telling Egyptians not to fear building a secular state.
Turkish youth increasingly secular and modern under Erdogan, poll finds
Survey shows young people in Turkey have also become better educated and more tolerant in past decade
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan once declared that raising a pious generation was among his duties as the head of government.
His ruling Justice and Development Party, which describes itself as conservative democrat, has bolstered religious studies in public schools and opened hundreds of Imam-Hatip schools which offer religious education for middle and high school students throughout the country.
Yet a new survey by an Istanbul-based polling company suggests that Turkish youth have become considerably more secular under Erdogan's rule, with more modern outlooks on life and better education.
In the survey released on Monday, the Konda polling company compared the opinions of Turkish citizens between the ages of 15 to 29 from 2008 to data taken last year. Over 1,700 people were interviewed.
According to the survey, the number of Turkish youth who consider themselves to be religious has dropped from by 7 percent to 15 percent overall. Young people who describe themselves as “modern” also increased to 43 percent from 34 percent in 2008.
Volkan Ertit, a scholar at Aksaray University who researches secularization in Turkey, told Middle East Eye that the survey only confirms other recent academic work that have shown similar trends, including studies on the increase in sex before marriage.
“In all honesty, this is not about Erdogan," said Ertit. "If you had Turkish opposition leader Kemal Kilicdaroglu or late Islamic-oriented leader Necmettin Erbakan as the president, the results would have been the same.
"You cannot control the trajectory of society. You get secularization if you have these three components: urbanisation, capitalism and science. We have them.”
The poll found significant shifts in how young people practice their religion with the number of those who fast dropping 16 percent to 58 percent total. There was also a three percent fall among those who pray daily to 24 percent.
Ertit said it's now clear that opening Imam-Hatip schools has not helped the government deliver the pious generation Erdogan spoke about.
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“Different studies show students at those schools increasingly having the same lifestyle [as] non-religious school students. It changes everything if you have smartphones, and the internet. Talk to a Imam-Hatip student. They would tell you that they have flirting in their school," he said.
Erdogan last year was taped as he reprimanded then-minister of education, Ismet Yilmaz, about a survey conducted by the ministry’s local branch in the city of Konya, which showed that many Imam-Hatip students believed in God but had a disdain for established religion
“It can’t be!” Erdogan told the minister in comments captured by an open mic.
The poll also indicates that young people are becoming more tolerant. The respondents who say they can have a son-in-law or daughter-in-law with different religious beliefs increased by 17 percent to 64 percent. Interviewees who said they would be okay if their children had different sexual orientations than them rose 9 percent to 21 percent.
The research shows that young Turks are also more educated and more hopeful about the future than their peers a decade ago. Forty five percent of the respondents said conditions in their lives changed for the better in the past five years and 46 percent said they believe the next five years will be better than now.
Here is a view from Turkish-American Journalist who lived in Turkey much of his life describes Turkish "populism" that predates Trump and Brexit
@CatSultan Turkey is not a Iran or Saudi Arabia its politics mirrors of that of hybrid-regimes similar to Russia,Hungary, Poland,Indonesia and countries that border Turkey basically have one dominant political party that is center right-wing appeals to religion in case of Erdogan its with Islam Putin with Orthodox Christianity but its just mere populism get mainly non-city or urbanized folk get riled up about the "west" and culture was bs to get to the polls otherwise its a political rouse Trump is similar to them as he appeals mostly to Evangelical Protestant Christians in the Midwest and South but is a typcial NYC real estate developer slicker who had three wives and is shady asf
Main reason why Turkey is much more independent is the geo-political shift in world politics the United States is much more weaker in power projection than it was a decade ago easy for regional powers to stake claims when Uncle Sam can only bark and do nothing nothing to do with domestic politics be it religion or secularism
But I worship secularism, West, Kemalist Turkey and athiest China.
Pakistanis have weird fetish on one hand the seem to want to act like the "policeman of the Islamic world" "lecture others for being less Islamic" while their country is thrid world super corrupt and is allies with China a Communist Party led state and Turkey a Secular mainly Islamic populated state
Hasan Piker is Cenk Uygur's nephew btw, if you follow American Progressive media outlets.Turkey is not getting rid of its secularist system it's in fact going through a transition from the military being the guarantee of Kemalism to civil society and the general populace. Throughout the 20th century, the Turkish Armed Forces guaranteed the Kemalist reforms as civil society and the populace was generally illiterate and timid and could easily be used by foreign forces a century after reforms Turks were finally given a chance to elect a non-military linked leader that was Erdogan in 2002 Turkish Armed Forces could have got rid of Erdogan in 2016 but chose not to as it would have made him a martyr in the eyes of the populace so its better to work with him and besides Erdogan has gotten into trouble from his own party for trying to change the basic sets of "Kemalist reforms"
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Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday called on Egyptians to adopt a secular constitution, noting that secularism does not mean renouncing religion.
A secular state respects all religions, Erdogan said in an interview with the private satellite TV channel Dream before heading to Egypt for a two-day visit.
"Do not be wary of secularism. I hope there will be a secular state in Egypt," Erdogan said.
He stressed that people have the right to choose whether or not to be religious, adding that he is a Muslim prime minister for a secular state.
Erdogan said Egypt needs to meet some requirements for establishing a modern state, including better management of human resources, more attention to education, improved management of financial resources and
Erdogan calls for a secular Egypt - Egypt Independent
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday called on Egyptians to adopt a secular constitution, noting that secularism does not mean renouncing religion. A secular state respects all religions, Erdogan said in an interview with the private satellite TV channel Dream before heading to...Islamists Criticize Turkish Premier's 'Secular' Remarks
The Muslim Brotherhood objected to statements by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan telling Egyptians not to fear building a secular state.
Turkish youth increasingly secular and modern under Erdogan, poll finds
Survey shows young people in Turkey have also become better educated and more tolerant in past decade
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan once declared that raising a pious generation was among his duties as the head of government.
His ruling Justice and Development Party, which describes itself as conservative democrat, has bolstered religious studies in public schools and opened hundreds of Imam-Hatip schools which offer religious education for middle and high school students throughout the country.
Yet a new survey by an Istanbul-based polling company suggests that Turkish youth have become considerably more secular under Erdogan's rule, with more modern outlooks on life and better education.
In the survey released on Monday, the Konda polling company compared the opinions of Turkish citizens between the ages of 15 to 29 from 2008 to data taken last year. Over 1,700 people were interviewed.
According to the survey, the number of Turkish youth who consider themselves to be religious has dropped from by 7 percent to 15 percent overall. Young people who describe themselves as “modern” also increased to 43 percent from 34 percent in 2008.
Volkan Ertit, a scholar at Aksaray University who researches secularization in Turkey, told Middle East Eye that the survey only confirms other recent academic work that have shown similar trends, including studies on the increase in sex before marriage.
“In all honesty, this is not about Erdogan," said Ertit. "If you had Turkish opposition leader Kemal Kilicdaroglu or late Islamic-oriented leader Necmettin Erbakan as the president, the results would have been the same.
"You cannot control the trajectory of society. You get secularization if you have these three components: urbanisation, capitalism and science. We have them.”
The poll found significant shifts in how young people practice their religion with the number of those who fast dropping 16 percent to 58 percent total. There was also a three percent fall among those who pray daily to 24 percent.
Ertit said it's now clear that opening Imam-Hatip schools has not helped the government deliver the pious generation Erdogan spoke about.
The land of lost languages: Turkish minorities struggle to keep their voices alive
Read More »
“Different studies show students at those schools increasingly having the same lifestyle [as] non-religious school students. It changes everything if you have smartphones, and the internet. Talk to a Imam-Hatip student. They would tell you that they have flirting in their school," he said.
Erdogan last year was taped as he reprimanded then-minister of education, Ismet Yilmaz, about a survey conducted by the ministry’s local branch in the city of Konya, which showed that many Imam-Hatip students believed in God but had a disdain for established religion
“It can’t be!” Erdogan told the minister in comments captured by an open mic.
The poll also indicates that young people are becoming more tolerant. The respondents who say they can have a son-in-law or daughter-in-law with different religious beliefs increased by 17 percent to 64 percent. Interviewees who said they would be okay if their children had different sexual orientations than them rose 9 percent to 21 percent.
The research shows that young Turks are also more educated and more hopeful about the future than their peers a decade ago. Forty five percent of the respondents said conditions in their lives changed for the better in the past five years and 46 percent said they believe the next five years will be better than now.
Here is a view from Turkish-American Journalist who lived in Turkey much of his life describes Turkish "populism" that predates Trump and Brexit
@CatSultan Turkey is not a Iran or Saudi Arabia its politics mirrors of that of hybrid-regimes similar to Russia,Hungary, Poland,Indonesia and countries that border Turkey basically have one dominant political party that is center right-wing appeals to religion in case of Erdogan its with Islam Putin with Orthodox Christianity but its just mere populism get mainly non-city or urbanized folk get riled up about the "west" and culture war bs to get to the polls otherwise its a political rouse Trump is similar to them as he appeals mostly to Evangelical Protestant Christians in the Midwest and South but is a typcial NYC real estate developer slicker who had three wives and is shady asf
Main reason why Turkey is much more independent is the geo-political shift in world politics the United States is much more weaker in power projection than it was a decade ago easy for regional powers to stake claims when Uncle Sam can only bark and do nothing nothing to do with domestic politics be it religion or secularism
Bangladesh — the overcrowded, overpopulated flood-prone state that, founded in 1971, is barely older than the internet — is now one of the richest countries in South Asia. The region was rocked by this week’s data that Bangladesh’s GDP per capita will exceed India’s this year, despite India having a 25 percent lead just five years ago.
There is no doubt about what has tipped the balance: COVID-19. While India has struggled to bring the virus under control, Bangladesh’s data-led innovative public health approach and rapidly improving digital infrastructure has allowed the economy to continue growing. But will the world take note, and realize that there are newer (and more stable) South Asian partners beyond the traditional ones? Will the new “Global Britain” prioritize the Bengal Tiger for a trade deal? And will the U.S. president (whether that’s Donald Trump or Joe Biden, come January 2021) consider Bangladesh a priority in South Asia, or stick with familiar partners?
Certainly this news will change the calculus by which an economy — and a nation state’s — strength is judged. Rather than just looking at a country’s currency, exports, and governance, its biosecurity capacity will now be seen as something as pivotal as national security — an area of policy that can make or break everything else.
It is not just Bangladesh’s growth that has contributed to this result, but India’s decline after severely mismanaging both the health and economic fallout of the pandemic.
China is the best example of how swift and effective pandemic management can support continued economic growth (consumer spending there has already returned to pre-pandemic levels and its GDP grew 5 percent in the last quarter).
But China is an extreme case — there will be many winners across the world. And there will inevitably be some who can learn a great deal from those winners, and avoid further blunders.
This change in South Asia’s economic pecking order, combined with improving social indicators and rapid digitalization, could mean that many global powers will pivot more of their attention toward Dhaka.
The shift is overdue. Since India’s independence, it has understandably been the focus of the region’s economic and political activity. The region itself is often referred to as the Indian Subcontinent, perhaps a colonial hangover based on generations of Brits who interacted with an India that was essentially the only significant state in the region (not only modern day Pakistan and Bangladesh, but also Burmese territory was part of Colonial India).
But now things have changed, most notably in Bangladesh. Avoiding the tribal or sectarian divisions that have plagued Pakistan and increasingly blighted India, Dhaka has created a resilient economy and society, and maintained a diplomatic strategy that allows strategic partnerships with a range of competing world powers.
Economically, it would be unfair to describe its GDP per capita eclipsing India’s as a pandemic-related fluke: Bangladesh has long been one of the fastest-growing economies in the world and has recently entered the ranks of middle income countries, with the aim of becoming a developed country by 2041.
Its society has developed almost as quickly as its economy. Gender equality and women’s rights are on the march, with the death penalty recently being implemented for rapists, in a sign that the female-led country will not tolerate the violence against women that is so systemic in other parts of the region.
All this is underpinned by an ambitious digitization strategy led by a2i, a tech and digital transformation department founded by the Prime Minister’s Office. As digital economic inclusion is rolled out across the country, expect to see more tech startups like ShopUp, which this week raised $22.5 million from leading Venture Capital firm Sequioa. Free Economic Zones, like the one set up in conjunction with Japan’s government last month (Tokyo’s biggest investment in South Asia), will speed up the process.
Beyond economic growth, the realignment of power across South Asia raises important diplomatic opportunities. As the United States attempts to maintain its role in the region, Bangladesh may be a crucial partner, particularly given Dhaka’s strategic partnership with Beijing.
Similarly for the U.K., perhaps London will follow in Tokyo’s footsteps and prioritize the relationship with Bangladesh. A U.K.-Bangladesh trade deal would be a strong start to Britain’s post-EU strategy, with a significant portion of Bangladesh’s garment sector being dependent on U.K. consumers.
It has become common for political leaders to claim that they will “build back better” after COVID-19, with the slogan appearing across the world and capturing many people’s hopes. As we build back better, we should remember that the building blocks are not the same as they were before the pandemic. Nowhere is that truer than in South Asia.
South Asia Has a New Economic Leader. Will the World Take Note?
COVID-19 has made Bangladesh richer per capita than India. Will diplomatic partners shift their strategies as a result?thediplomat.com
Then you are a cuck for westerners. Secularism causes degeneracy. Liberals want to hold gay pride parades in Pakistan make it degenerate just like the west and I can say US is degenerate cause I live here. I don't understand how anyone can be Muslim and secular. You can't cherry pick your religion.
