Solve the Ukraine crisis

[MarkusS]

What do you think would be the best solution for this? Some analysts already explained in magazines here what would be a deal.

We basicly conquered all of ukraine and made it part of the west. Western Ukraine and the capital Kiev is 100% pro EU and NATO. The hate against Russia and Putin is so gigantic there that russia would never be able to get it back into its influence. Eastern Ukraine is still in big trouble. But the separatists are basicly finished. After MH17 they are no partner for anyone. Even Putin basicly dropepd them. Their leaders are caleld back to moscow. The negotiations are held in Minsk and no separatists participate.

Russia cares for the crimea and the acess to the black sea there. I understand this. The occupation of the crimean is not accepted from anyone in the world. Not even China sides with russia in that aspect.

So what could a solution look like?

One one side Putin gives up his support for trouble against western Ukraine. Western Ukraine will be part of our sphere of influence. In Eastern Ukraine Peace talks are hold and it become an autonomous region in Ukraine.

On the other side the EU accepts that crimean is part of russia and lifts the sanctions.

This would be a face saving solution for both sides. And i think all agree a solution must be found where all sides can live with.

 

[Superboy]

This war is all about revenge now. With every death, 10 of his / her family member join the fight to seek revenge. Ukraine has turned into another Syria, another Iraq, another Libya. Sad. Let's say there are now 20,000 Russians fighting in Donbas. Next year this number could easily grow to 100,000 or more. The Pandora's box has been opened with the toppling of President Viktor Yanukovych, who by the way is the legal president of Ukraine.

Ukraine does its part to make the situation worse. Having put the Russian defense minister Shoigu, the Communist party leader Zyuganov, the LDPR leader Zhirinovsky, the A Just Russia leader Mironov on Ukraine's wanted list, Ukraine has forever alienated the Russian people.

Back in 2009 some 50% of Russians held negative view of Ukraine. In 2012 when Yanukovych was in power some 25% of Russians held negative view of Ukraine. Now over 90% of Russians hold negative view of Ukraine.

Well over 400 Ukrainian soldiers have already been killed in Donbas. Next year this number could easily rise to at least 4,000 as the war escalates. Ukraine's air power is already wiped out. Hundreds out of some 2,000 of Ukraine's armored fighting vehicles at the beginning of the war have already been destroyed.

The end of the beginning has come. Russians can forget about having Russian being a state language in Ukraine. From now on, Russians and Ukrainians will be enemies till the end of time.

 

[jammersat]

you gotta conquer it fast if you gotta do it , time is on russia's side , muhahahahahaha

 

[Superboy]

you gotta conquer it fast if you gotta do it , time is on russia's side , muhahahahahaha

This is correct. Every day the Ukrainian army loses several armored fighting vehicles to anti tank missiles. At this rate, the Ukrainian army would have no more armored fighting vehicles left by the end of this year.

 

[Gazprom]

This war is all about revenge now. With every death, 10 of his / her family member join the fight to seek revenge. Ukraine has turned into another Syria, another Iraq, another Libya. Sad. Let's say there are now 20,000 Russians fighting in Donbas. Next year this number could easily grow to 100,000 or more. The Pandora's box has been opened with the toppling of President Viktor Yanukovych, who by the way is the legal president of Ukraine.

Ukraine does its part to make the situation worse. Having put the Russian defense minister Shoigu, the Communist party leader Zyuganov, the LDPR leader Zhirinovsky, the A Just Russia leader Mironov on Ukraine's wanted list, Ukraine has forever alienated the Russian people.

Back in 2009 some 50% of Russians held negative view of Ukraine. In 2012 when Yanukovych was in power some 25% of Russians held negative view of Ukraine. Now over 90% of Russians hold negative view of Ukraine.

Well over 400 Ukrainian soldiers have already been killed in Donbas. Next year this number could easily rise to at least 4,000 as the war escalates. Ukraine's air power is already wiped out. Hundreds out of some 2,000 of Ukraine's armored fighting vehicles at the beginning of the war have already been destroyed.

The end of the beginning has come. Russians can forget about having Russian being a state language in Ukraine. From now on, Russians and Ukrainians will be enemies till the end of time.

10,000-12000 ukrainian soldiers are dead.30,000 civilians in donbass. The Donetsk militia casualties are minimal. I think the neo nazi in kiev need removal. as for west ukraine and central ukraine ,eu can take it. they don't like russia at all.

What do you think would be the best solution for this? Some analysts already explained in magazines here what would be a deal.

We basicly conquered all of ukraine and made it part of the west. Western Ukraine and the capital Kiev is 100% pro EU and NATO. The hate against Russia and Putin is so gigantic there that russia would never be able to get it back into its influence. Eastern Ukraine is still in big trouble. But the separatists are basicly finished. After MH17 they are no partner for anyone. Even Putin basicly dropepd them. Their leaders are caleld back to moscow. The negotiations are held in Minsk and no separatists participate.

Russia cares for the crimea and the acess to the black sea there. I understand this. The occupation of the crimean is not accepted from anyone in the world. Not even China sides with russia in that aspect.

So what could a solution look like?

One one side Putin gives up his support for trouble against western Ukraine. Western Ukraine will be part of our sphere of influence. In Eastern Ukraine Peace talks are hold and it become an autonomous region in Ukraine.

On the other side the EU accepts that crimean is part of russia and lifts the sanctions.

This would be a face saving solution for both sides. And i think all agree a solution must be found where all sides can live with.

separtists are winning in east ukraine . western and central ukraine always hated russia as majority people are uniate followers there. so russia won't mind eu having it. east ukraine is different issue.

 

[jammersat]

This is correct. Every day the Ukrainian army loses several armored fighting vehicles to anti tank missiles. At this rate, the Ukrainian army would have no more armored fighting vehicles left by the end of this year.

I'm not an expert , and i'm not at the scene of the fighting , but to me when i watch it on the news , with all those russian tanks coming in in groups of 5-10 , seems like russia knows what they've been doing , true mr. putin is a slav but you have to take into consideration obama is black !

but again the whole thing is so stupid ! a group of russian nationalists hyped up by internet racial theories , take up arms and waste all the credit russian foreign policy has compiled since the fall of USSR , with this conflict russia has their hands tied for a long time to come ! i'm warning russia , they'll end up as a close ally to us again , lol

 

[Superboy]

10,000-12000 ukrainian soldiers are dead.30,000 civilians in donbass. The Donetsk militia casualties are minimal. I think the neo nazi in kiev need removal. as for west ukraine and central ukraine ,eu can take it. they don't like russia at all.

The US government actively backs the fascist Right Sector, and seen from the US's intention to train and arm Ukraine's National Guard who are mainly drawn from the Euro Maidan activists. However this will backfire as the US ultimately gets dragged into a conflict it has no business in.

 

[jammersat]

On the other side the EU accepts that crimean is part of russia and lifts the sanctions.

This would be a face saving solution for both sides. And i think all agree a solution must be found where all sides can live with.

But you never know what obama is gonna do next ! his russo-phobic actions have won him some praise from the classical anti-socialist redneck sects of america and so he might step up his efforts ! although most likely he will continue this path of sanctions and rhetoric and hand it all to the next president ...

 

[Superboy]

Ultimately, Ukraine turns into another Moldova, another Georgia, having a big chunk of disputed territory with Russia. The EU and NATO will never take a country that has disputed territory.

In Ukraine's case, it's going to be hella worse than Moldova and Georgia. War will never stop in the east which borders Russia. LDPR will keep sending anti tank missiles and other weapons to massacre the Ukrainian people, who can only blame themselves for illegally and violently topping Yanukovych who, by the way, is the legal democratically elected president of Ukraine.

 

[Gazprom]

I'm not an expert , and i'm not at the scene of the fighting , but to me when i watch it on the news , with all those russian tanks coming in in groups of 5-10 , seems like russia knows what they've been doing , true mr. putin is a slav but you have to take into consideration obama is black !

but again the whole thing is so stupid ! a group of russian nationalists hyped up by internet racial theories , take up arms and waste all the credit russian foreign policy has compiled since the fall of USSR , with this conflict russia has their hands tied for a long time to come ! i'm warning russia , they'll end up as a close ally to us again , lol

Russia is superpower in its own right. Its creating an alternative financial system under BRICS bank. That is comparable to the Bretton Woods agreement and creation of IMF.

But you never know what obama is gonna do next ! his russo-phobic actions have won him some praise from the classical anti-socialist redneck sects of america and so he might step up his efforts ! although most likely he will continue this path of sanctions and rhetoric and hand it all to the next president ...

Funny thing . Many Rednecks of USA are supporting Putin for his pro-christian ,pro-church and anti-gay policies. Obama is doing everything to start a war in Europe.

 

[Superboy]

I was one of the very few who predicted Assad cannot be toppled due to Russian backing. I am now telling you, the war in Ukraine will not end even 100 years from now. The hatred has become too much between the Russian nation, which also includes half of the population of Ukraine, and the Ukrainian nation.

 

[jammersat]

Russia is superpower in its own right. Its creating an alternative financial system under BRICS bank. That is comparable to the Bretton Woods agreement and creation of IMF.

Again , i'm not an expert , but when i watch the news i get the impression that the BRICS are gonna inject all their money into places in europe like greece , maybe not germany , but all other places in europe ; unless this conflict really intensfies and they decide to dismantle the BRICS , remember the BRICS was a party for the post 2005 russian economy boom , it's nothing like the IMF

 

[Gazprom]

I was one of the very few who predicted Assad cannot be toppled due to Russian backing. I am now telling you, the war in Ukraine will not end 100 years from now. The hatred has become too much between the Russian nation, which also includes half of the population of Ukraine, and the Ukrainian nation.

To be more accurate .Hatred is great b/w Uniate and independent kyiv churches that follow Uniate vs the orthodox churches under Moscow Patriachate . Their hate goes to the people also. Especially uniate church is comparable to wahabbis in many ways.

Again , i'm not an expert , but when i watch the news i get the impression that the BRICS are gonna inject all their money into places in europe like greece , maybe not germany , but all other places in europe ; unless this conflict really intensfies and they decide to dismantle the BRICS , remember the BRICS was a party for the post 2005 russian economy boom , it's nothing like the IMF

Contact Paul Craig Roberts ,former Assistant secretary to US treasury. He will explain you the implications of BRICS bank.

 

[jammersat]

I was one of the very few who predicted Assad cannot be toppled due to Russian backing. I am now telling you, the war in Ukraine will not end even 100 years from now. The hatred has become too much between the Russian nation, which also includes half of the population of Ukraine, and the Ukrainian nation.

although , all depends on mr. putin , if something happens to him then all the non-slavic population of russia are gonna come to the streets and then it would be russia turning into one big ukraine

 

[Superboy]

although , all depends on mr. putin , if something happens to him then all the non-slavic population of russia are gonna come to the streets and then it would be russia turning into one big ukraine

Nunavut has a better chance of independence than any minority region of Russia does. Russians overwhelmingly dominate Russia. Over 80% of the Russian population are ethnic Russians, and they have absolutely horrifying weapons that minorities don't have. Plus, many minorities like the Chechens are pro Russia.

Putin, being from the United Russia party, is a centrist. He has to cater to the majority of Russians. Considering over 90% of Russians now hold negative view of Ukraine, Putin must also do the same.