Solution for Karachi's Endless and Mindless Violence!

[Mech]

Its the gun culture that thrives in a lot of provinces in Pakistan especially the North West. A lot of weapons came to Pakistan after the soviet war in Afghanistan. Karachi was never a city where guns thrived but unfortunately migrants that were coming from Afghanistan and FATA brought their much loved gun culture with them. Back in the 60s if even someone fired a gun in the air in Karachi it would become the headline news all over Karachi.

Thank you for enlightening me. This is all rather shocking. This is a classic case of benevolent acts backfiring. In my opinion, the afghan refugee immigration ought to have been restricted.

 

[American Pakistani]

mqm is equally criminal in the equation.

anyways good suggestions.

Look, i'am not saying MQM is angel's party, they maybe responsible some how but just tell me how will you guys feel if MQM goes to Lahore & do same thing what ANP & PPP are doing in Karachi. MQM is just defending people of Karachi who vote them, MQM is voted by masses of Karachi. Go to any house in Karachi and ask it's people who they support & answere will be MQM, Why? because Karachities knows the ground realities, it is PPP waderas who use others for their own purposes. They have used army in 71, Lyari Baloch gangs in 2000's & now they using ANP.

 

[muse]

.... so the weapons can also move from section to section, staying one step ahead?

Yes, that is so, however, clearing it section by section and securing each section will mean that you will either run them off or kill them off.

 

[American Pakistani]

Is there any chance of ANP-MQM power sharing ( if both parties demilitarize ) ?

It will keep on happining until PPP govt is gone, ANP is just small level of thugs PPP is main thugs party they think Sindh is theirs & Muhajirs or MQM had occupy it. Just look at interior Sindh how poor it is, compare Larkana(strong hold of PPP) with (forget about Karachi) Hyderabad(2nd strong hold of MQM), Larkana can't even stand infront of it. If Karachi & Hyderabad is made other provence Sindh economy will be less than Balochistan, because PPP waderas eats all money.

 

[VCheng]

Yes, that is so, however, clearing it section by section and securing each section will mean that you will either run them off or kill them off.

Therein lies the problem: "securing each section" after it has been cleared. I don't see a realistic way to implement that, given the logistical and resource constraints that are applicable.

 

[Leader]

A reality check question, if I may:

Just HOW does one "de-weaponize" a city of 18 million with no effective civil government, or any other semblance of a functional governance structure?

to have a complete de-weaponization is not possible, but somewhat 60-80 % would do equally from all groups, it maybe through holding the strings of those commanding the murderers, you know exactly who commands, and you know exactly who are the operational level management, cutting the hand giving the gun is more important than cutting the hand holding the gun, the other way around is through intelligence gathering, and conduct a military operation. and I would recommend to bombard these slum places like Orangi etc, IDP's maybe scrutinized easily.

the second step should be to establish gradual Elite force consisting of stickly non Karachitte.

if not this then declare Karachi a non political area. no more politics for them !

 

[Leader]

Look, i'am not saying MQM is angel's party, they maybe responsible some how but just tell me how will you guys feel if MQM goes to Lahore & do same thing what ANP & PPP are doing in Karachi. MQM is just defending people of Karachi who vote them, MQM is voted by masses of Karachi. Go to any house in Karachi and ask it's people who they support & answere will be MQM, Why? because Karachities knows the ground realities, it is PPP waderas who use others for their own purposes. They have used army in 71, Lyari Baloch gangs in 2000's & now they using ANP.

violence to be revenged with violence will lead to no solution, whether it is started by ANP, PPPP or MQM, the result is same, Civil War, that Karachitte are suffering from and will continue to.... !!

 

[Leader]

Therein lies the problem: "securing each section" after it has been cleared. I don't see a realistic way to implement that, given the logistical and resource constraints that are applicable.

its no Waziristan hills, bombard the ghetto...and have some IDPs for sometime...

 

[Mech]

to have a complete de-weaponization is not possible, but somewhat 60-80 % would do equally from all groups, it maybe through holding the strings of those commanding the murderers, you know exactly who commands, and you know exactly who are the operational level management, cutting the hand giving the gun is more important than cutting the hand holding the gun, the other way around is through intelligence gathering, and conduct a military operation. and I would recommend to bombard these slum places like Orangi etc, IDP's maybe scrutinized easily.

the second step should be to establish gradual Elite force consisting of stickly non Karachitte.

if not this then declare Karachi a non political area. no more politics for them !

Sir, if the central government adopts your suggestion, it will only further alienate their society. Especially, if you employ non-karaciites to suppress the Karachi residents. It will end up becoming a " Us versus them" scenario. Last thing Pakistan needs is more separatist movements. However, i agree with your suggestion that the area needs to be de-weaponized

 

[Karachiite]

Best solution is to make Karachi a separate province. Sindh government filled with jaagirdars don' know jacksht about Karachi and don't care about it.

 

[Leader]

Best solution is to make Karachi a separate province. Sindh government filled with jaagirdars don' know jacksht about Karachi and don't care about it.

its not going to be practical, since MQM wouldnot want to lose Hyderabad, moreover, Karachitte cannot be left alone to one political party, its the financial hub of Pakistan, which makes it essentially a city for every community of Pakistan.

 

[Karachiite]

its not going to be practical, since MQM wouldnot want to lose Hyderabad, moreover, Karachitte cannot be left alone to one political party, its the financial hub of Pakistan, which makes it essentially a city for every community of Pakistan.

This economic hub is being destroyed by the federal and provincial government. In the last budget Karachi was allocated only 2 billion rupees the same amount was allocated to some shith*les like Larkana and Nawabshah.
Making Karachi its own province will ensure growth, majority of Karachi pays taxes what do we get in return? Nothing, zilch.

 

[VCheng]

its no Waziristan hills, bombard the ghetto...and have some IDPs for sometime...

So you want the military to bomb their own largest city responsible for over half the economic output of the country? With plans like these, who needs enemies?

 

[Leader]

how about giving Karachiite to some external force that is peace keeping force like the UN has, for example ask Turkey or China police/security forces to take control of Karachi and do the mission clean sweep or whatever bombardment is required to do on Karachi, be done... no blame on anyone in the Capital... ?

 

[Leader]

So you want the military to bomb their own largest city responsible for over half the economic output of the country? With plans like these, who needs enemies?

no its not to bombard the city, the idea is to bombard the ghettos and strong holds of weaponized areas, arrange the place for IDPs and scrutinise the IDPs with already gathered information about their past record.