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SHANGHAI/HONG KONG (Reuters) - Shares of China's SMIC (0981.HK) fell by over a fifth on Monday after news of potential U.S. sanctions against the chipmaker, wiping about HK$31 billion ($4 billion) off its market value and prompting analysts to predict doom if a ban is implemented.


On Friday, Reuters reported that the U.S. Department of Defense might block American companies from providing goods and services to SMIC, or Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp, China's biggest chipmaker.


That could dash what some view as China's best hope to develop a self-sufficient semiconductor industry via SMIC and further escalate the Sino-U.S. spat that involves trade and technology, analysts said.


"The company could go under within a few years," says Mark Li, who tracks China's chip industry at Bernstein Research.


SMIC did not immediately reply to a request for comment.


Its shares in Hong Kong fell more than 22% to close at HK$18.24. In Shanghai, where SMIC raised $6.6 billion in a secondary listing in July, its shares 688981.SS fell as much as 11%, closing at 58.8 yuan ($8.61).


SMIC trails rival Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co Ltd (TSMC)(2330.TW) in production volume, technology, and efficiency despite state support since it was founded two decades ago. It recently introduced capacity for chips at the 14 nanometre process node, still about two generations behind that of TSMC.


Like TSMC and other fabs, SMIC relies on a number of U.S.-based companies, such as Applied Materials (AMAT.O), to obtain key production equipment. Research firm Jefferies estimates that roughly half of SMIC's suppliers are American.


Sources have said that the United States is investigating alleged ties between SMIC and the People's Liberation Army in China. SMIC says it has no relationship with the Chinese military.


A spokesman for China's foreign ministry Zhao Lijian, at a routine media briefing on Monday, referred to the potential U.S. restrictions as "wanton oppression".


"For some time, the U.S. has been stretching the concept of national security and abusing national powers to take various measures on Chinese companies without any excuse. It is a blatant bullying practice and we firmly oppose it," Zhao added.


The potential sanctions echo those placed by the United States on Huawei Technologies [HWT.UL] that bar U.S. companies from selling products and technology to the Chinese smartphone maker. The restrictions have muzzled Huawei's once-promising chip division and is squeezing its overseas phone sales.




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U.S. sanctions could also impact supplies from non-American vendors, analysts said, as chip equipment vendors from countries such as Japan and the Netherlands, which have friendly ties with the United States, could "shadow follow" the U.S. order.


A precedent for such a possibility exists.


In 2018, the Trump administration prevented Dutch machinery maker ASML (ASML.AS) from shipping to China a $150 million chip-lithography machine that is needed to manufacture advanced microprocessors. ASML did not disclose the identity of the Chinese client, but some media reported it as SMIC.


Analysts said that while SMIC could potentially continue to use its existing line of equipment in the face of a supplier ban, its business would suffer because equipment providers would no longer be able to service its production lines.


Losing this official support service would put SMIC in "serious trouble", said Doug Fuller, who researches China's chip industry at the City University of Hong Kong. "The machines need to be tended to by suppliers every two to three months."


SMIC could potentially look to local companies, unaffiliated with their official suppliers, to service their production lines, he said. "But that will just compound SMIC's well-known operational inefficiency."

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China knows present semiconductor technologies and equipment are controlled by US. All semiconductor producers, SMIC or TSMC, are not reliable in the long run. China's hope is next generation semiconductor material.

No more nonsenses. Just wait and see if China can overcome this hard time and build fully domestic industry chain as fast as possible.
 
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SMIC is state funded. They can ignore the sanction and go with Chinese government order. The most it will lost after sales support for its equipment. The Chinese government will inject more funds to allow it cary out more R&D for future equipment and chips.
 
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Chinese companies needs to learn to avoid US technology.
 
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SMIC is state funded. They can ignore the sanction and go with Chinese government order. The most it will lost after sales support for its equipment. The Chinese government will inject more funds to allow it cary out more R&D for future equipment and chips.
Why does SMIC needs to be bothered by US unilateral order by exec. order?
What SMIC should be worried about is about orders.
China consumes 60% of the world semiconductors and they should be the one calling the shot not Trump, get it.

If I am the investor for those shares, I should have already foreseen it coming.

The shares will soon bounces back.

I will be more concerned about Wall Street bubble created by the Feds and China intention of disposing 20% of US Treasury Bonds. Maybe USA is using SMIC as a leverage against such move but will It works? :coffee:
 
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Why does SMIC needs to be bothered by US unilateral order by exec. order?
What SMIC should be worried about is about orders.
China consumes 60% of the world semiconductors and they should be the one calling the shot not Trump, get it.

If I am the investor for those shares, I should have already foreseen it coming.

The shares will soon bounces back.

I will be more concerned about Wall Street bubble created by the Feds and China intention of disposing 20% of US Treasury Bonds. Maybe USA is using SMIC as a leverage against such move but is It? :coffee:
Becos they are people concern about EUV used by SMIC made by ASML. It is bonded by US law but once the machine is in China. There is virtually nothing much US can do beside stopping after sales service and support of ban further sales of EUV to SMIC.
As I mention, SMIC can continue to use that EUV to make 14 nm chips while China government need to further developed more powerful EUV to make small nm chips.
 
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Becos they are people concern about EUV used by SMIC made by ASML. It is bonded by US law but once the machine is in China. There is virtually nothing much US can do beside stopping after sales service and support of ban further sales of EUV to SMIC.
As I mention, SMIC can continue to use that EUV to make 14 nm chips while China government need to further developed more powerful EUV to make small nm chips.

But the EUV lithography machine was never delivered.
First it was destroyed by a sudden fire then ASML came up with the excuse of wassenaar agreement that requires approval from Netherland Government. :coffee:
 
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But it was never delivered. First it was destroyed by a sudden fire then ASML came up with the excuse of wassenaar agreement that requires approval from Netherland Government. :coffee:
The EUV from ASML for SMIC has already delivered many years ago. If not, how do they make 14nm chips for Huawei?
The one u are talking about is for making 7nm kirin 990 series chips.
SMIC are bond by US law with ASML machine but they can forfeit that with all the unreasonable rules imposed by US. I believe Chinese themselves are capable of service that existing ASML EUV.
 
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China consumes 60% all the global semiconductors produced.
If this number don't matter then what does.
Yes. Trump may have succeeded in staggering the supply network but for how long?
And how long will the other nations tolerate all these US unilateral sanctions and nonsense. The reformation in the global supply network has already set in motion and IMO USA has just shit itself in the foot. :coffee:
USA has breached all international trading rules and now ICCJ as well.
 
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The EUV from ASML for SMIC has already delivered many years ago. If not, how do they make 14nm chips for Huawei?
The one u are talking about is for making 7nm kirin 990 series chips.
SMIC are bond by US law with ASML machine but they can forfeit that with all the unreasonable rules imposed by US. I believe Chinese themselves are capable of service that existing ASML EUV.

14 nm is made by double patterning for 28 nm single exposure tools.
 
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The EUV from ASML for SMIC has already delivered many years ago. If not, how do they make 14nm chips for Huawei?
The one u are talking about is for making 7nm kirin 990 series chips.
SMIC are bond by US law with ASML machine but they can forfeit that with all the unreasonable rules imposed by US. I believe Chinese themselves are capable of service that existing ASML EUV.
DUV lithography equipment.
 
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More pressure. I want cheaper electronics.
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I think most of us saw this coming after the US banned Huawei last year
 
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