Slavyansk has fallen to the neo-nazi junta

[Lonely Hermit]

I just don't get it; what the hell is Putin waiting for??

Why is he not asking Russian military to blast their way into Ukraine,? Dozens of people are being killed here and he is doing nothing despite being the only country capable of stopping this.

He may withdrew the resolution that entitles Russian army to storm into Ukraine. Was Crimea his only objective because of the Russian naval fleet there?

Probably for winters to begin and a full blown insurgency in Ukraine.
He will get his excuse to attack Ukraine & dismember it, even the EU will not do anything and watch in sidelines since you badly need gas during winters.
Exactly the way we dismembered Pakistan during Indo Pak 1971 war and Bangladesh was created though some of the circumstances where different.
My sympathies to Ukraine though they got played into geopolitic game of great powers and will be the worst sufferers .
The die has been cast and crisis has reached to a point of no return.

 

[Declein]

Probably for winters to begin and a full blown insurgency in Ukraine.
He will get his excuse to attack Ukraine & dismember it, even the EU will not do anything and watch in sidelines since you badly need gas during winters.
Exactly the way we dismembered Pakistan during Indo Pak 1971 war and Bangladesh was created though some of the circumstances where different.
My sympathies to Ukraine though they got played into geopolitic game of great powers and will be the worst sufferers .
The die has been cast and crisis has reached to a point of no return.

What are you, 12 ? How do you envision that happening - the mighty Russian army walks in and Ukrainians just go belly up ? While at the same time EU and USA cry in a corner, hugging a gas bill?

Use your head and think about it for 5 minutes..

 

[Superboy]

What are you, 12 ? How do you envision that happening - the mighty Russian army walks in and Ukrainians just go belly up ? While at the same time EU and USA cry in a corner, hugging a gas bill?

Use your head and think about it for 5 minutes..

What exactly does the Ukrainian military have? Its air power has already been decimated by Novorossiyan air defense. Russian air power would blast away Ukrainian army units from the air. Not many Ukrainian soldiers are willing to die for nothing. Russia invading Ukraine would be like the US invading Saddam era Iraq. Piece of cake.

It is true that this is a tactical retreat to reduce civilian casualties. As a matter of fact, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have already fled to Russia, where many of them are being trained in Rostov so that one day soon they be fighting their way back to Ukraine

Novorossiyan strategy is to use mobile guerilla warfare and hit and run attacks rather than trying to hold onto specific city buildings or street crossroads. The idea is to use attrition to wear down the Ukrainian army. How many Ukrainian soldiers already killed? Hundreds at least.

 

[Declein]

What exactly does the Ukrainian military have? Its air power has already been decimated by Novorossiyan air defense. Russian air power would blast away Ukrainian army units from the air. Not many Ukrainian soldiers are willing to die for nothing. Russia invading Ukraine would be like the US invading Saddam era Iraq. Piece of cake.

Except Ukraine ain't Iraq and Russia ain't USA. Imagine this, after the Uk army gets defeated (and I agree that it probably will), what will those 30 something million Ukrainians do:

1- go home and learn Russian
2- raise a chicken
3- get western arms & advisers and start blowing up Russian tanks?

 

[Superboy]

Except Ukraine ain't Iraq and Russia ain't USA. Imagine this, after the Uk army gets defeated (and I agree that it probably will), what will those 30 something million Ukrainians do:

1- go home and learn Russian
2- raise a chicken
3- get western arms & advisers and start blowing up Russian tanks?

Do you have any idea how terrifying Su-35 jets are to ground units? The US never employed anything like these when it blasted away Iraqi ground targets.

Half of Ukrainians speak Russian as native language. They can easily be integrated into Russian society.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Half of Ukrainians speak Russian as native language. They can easily be integrated into Russian society.

Russia doesnt have abilitiy to feed and develop Ukraine.

 

[Superboy]

Russia doesnt have abilitiy to feed and develop Ukraine.

Don't be silly. A country can never run out of money. Hence the US sends millions of TOW missiles to Syria and Ukraine and Syria can have war for decades with no problem at all.

 

[Lonely Hermit]

What are you, 12 ? How do you envision that happening - the mighty Russian army walks in and Ukrainians just go belly up ? While at the same time EU and USA cry in a corner, hugging a gas bill?

Use your head and think about it for 5 minutes..

Though your optimism is quiet heart warming, you are to gullible dear sir. The attack will come and no one will try to stop the big bear apart from few diplomatic posturing. East Ukraine is extremly important for Russia for which they are willing to make great sacrifice but I doubt NATO is willing to do the same. It is dog eat dog world nations only care about their own interest .

 

[Declein]

Though your optimism is quiet heart warming, you are to gullible dear sir. The attack will come and no one will try to stop the big bear apart from few diplomatic posturing. East Ukraine is extremly important for Russia for which they are willing to make great sacrifice but I doubt NATO is willing to do the same. It is dog eat dog world nations only care about their own interest .

Why would they try to stop it? Read the news, the rebels are abandoned, shells are landing in Russia and nothing is happening.
Many wouldn't really mind seeing the Russian army bleed dry in Ukraine and the dissolution of any EU/Russia relations

 

[Superboy]

The tactic has changed. Before it was holding onto specific city buildings and street checkpoints. Now it's full blown mobile guerilla war and hit and run attacks. This way Ukrainian artillery would be useless. Expect Ukrainian casualties to mount to unprecedented levels.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Maybe it is best that Ukraine remains United instead of breaking into two separate Countries.

 

[Lonely Hermit]

What are you, 12 ? How do you envision that happening - the mighty Russian army walks in and Ukrainians just go belly up ?

Read about Bangladesh Liberation war although great atrocity where being committed on Bangladeshis India did not intervene immediately. You can not attack another country now days with out diplomatic backing. You have to build diplomatic support and also wait for the right moment to strike so that your opponents will do least damage.
During 1971 war also there was an insurgency going on pakistan had to disperse its troops to fight of an insurgency instead preparing for a war with India. They started committing heavy atrocities on local populace. When India attacked pakistanis where dispersed fighting of the Insurgency, they simply could not put up a good fight 3 Indian corps ended up surrounding Dhaka within 13 days led to surrender of 90,000 Pakistani service men.
If I am not wrong Europe badly needs energy during winters, so why will they support sanction on Russia since it will affect their economies more.
I would be more than be happy that I am wrong and old status quo returns for sake of United Ukraine but looking at history that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Superboy]

Maybe it is best that Ukraine remains United instead of breaking into two separate Countries.

The end goal is this:

1. Crimea part of Russia (already achieved)

2. Donbas as a new country (to be achieved once Ukrainian military is defeated in Donbas)

3. Installment of Russian as a state language of Ukraine (minus Crimea and Donbas), so as to keep Ukraine in Russia's orbit ala Belarus and Kazakhstan where Russian is a state language.

The reason why Donbas and not only Crimea must be out of Ukraine is to severely punish the people of Ukraine for toppling a democratically elected government. Let the lesson be, if you go up against democracy, then you will lose, big time.

Sit back, grab a popcorn, and watch the American war of independence of the 21st century

 

[vK_man]

Russia doesnt have abilitiy to feed and develop Ukraine.

This is the biggest factor. Absorbing Ukraine will be huge financial burden for Russia as Ukraine has been stripped to the bone by the oiligarchs post soviet era . This is why Putin is hesitant to absorb ukraine. Plus combined with western sanctions ,it will be crippling for russian economy.

 

[vostok]

Sit back, grab a popcorn, and watch the American war of independence of the 21st century

This is national-liberation struggle. In 1648, the Cossacks of Little Russia revolted against the Polish king and in 1654 swore allegiance to the Czar of All-Russia. So Little Russia was reunited with the Great Russia.
Currently residents of Novorossia fight for liberation from the power of neo-Nazi illegal junta.
New Russia - is south and east of the former Ukraine. Little Russia - the center and north. It is possible that Little Russia will also fight for independence over time.

This is the biggest factor. Absorbing Ukraine will be huge financial burden for Russia as Ukraine has been stripped to the bone by the oiligarchs post soviet era . This is why Putin is hesitant to absorb ukraine. Plus combined with western sanctions ,it will be crippling for russian economy.

This is at tactical level. At strategic level Eurasian Union needs about 20-30 million population (Slavic, Russian) to become a full-fledged independent market.