Singapore voices concern over naming of Indonesian Navy ship

[Reashot Xigwin]

In a month no one will ever remember this ever happens. Absolutely no one.

 

[nufix]

Indonesia should be worried about these reclamations as its concerns territorial encroachment

Singaporean fighters suspected of breaching RI airspace | The Jakarta Post

The head of the airport’s flight safety division, Indah Irwansyah, said that on Friday an F-16 or F-4 fighter allegedly belonging to the Singaporean military was detected over Batam. It headed from Singapore to airspace over Sekupang district and then moved on to Nipah Island.

“It moved very quickly, so it was difficult to detect as we don’t have radar here at Hang Nadim,” Indah said on Saturday.

According to Indah, the aircraft was monitoring Nipah Island, which borders Batam and Singapore.

“Singapore is very interested in Nipah while Indonesia continues to maintain it. The fighter was flying low,” she said.

The possibility of Singaporean fighter jets using Indonesian airspace without permission could add to existing tensions between the countries.

Probably they tried to monitor Nipah island, which is still being reclamed and transformed into forward naval base.

 

[airpower183]

How long does it take for Sri Lanka to annex India? Answer this first, you may find your answer

2 hours.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Surely, it was your government idea of soft aggression no less no more and we bear it with dignity and compassion. And Usman Harun is one of our government idea, no more no less.

You showed your stupidity in flaming about us encroaching your EEZ or soft aggression which is piece of BS. We have reclaim ourselves for so long and we did not advance an inch into Indonesia and Malaysia, and no one has brought up this disgusting EEZ and aggression other than you and some other nut head.

The earlier demarcation is fix, not affect by any reclamation.

Not a single reputable leader of Malaysia and Indonesia talk about such nonsense because they are clearly piece of shitt.

 

[Anonymous user]

Exactly, so why unearth somethings that's buried and forgotten, if not for an ulterior motive.

I'll say for the record IMO Singapore cannot afford to do without resources from Indonesia or Malaysia, Indonesia supplies many things including Natural Gas which powers the country, food like pork and what not list goes on. Singapore does not dictate what Indonesia does or say but we have to express our opinion, simply keeping mum will just invite more such episodes. And if you think about it its only the masses of poor who are really swayed but such things.

Small little Singapore tells us what to do, no way I tell them to shaddup VOTE ME BABY!

And when you mention things like Sand and Granite those are purchased from the your government which is fair game, We don't get them free and I believe the price we pay is not cheap either. Willing seller willing buyer.

The success of our country is not only built by the success of our government but the inefficiencies of yours, lets say Singapore didn't exist today would that make Indonesia stronger? Bearing in mind the boom in Batam shipbuilding was possible by Singapore not to mention scores of mega MNC who invest in Indonesia but based in Singapore. Jakarata in today's current state is unable to provide the infrastructure to attract them to base the hub there. If Singapore belonged to Malaysia would that improve the situation? Indonesia and Malaysia hand in hand?

Money laundering, that is something Singapore seems to by synonymous with when it comes to Indonesia. Say if Singapore wasn't such an efficient financial hub all that means is the money from corruption will just end up in Switzerland. Money is electronic these days, it has no frontier or boundary. Would you be more comfortable to know your money is Switzerland than Singapore?

Unfortunately Indonesia population is too large and the nation too widespread to control effectively even by the men of best intentions and hence inequalities are bound to come about which create corruption. Of course If the day came whereby all countries in Asean namely Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia & Philippines came together and were equal in terms of economic wealth that would be a great day for everyone. But with such bickering between nations I doubt that day would ever come for such a co-operation to happen.

But I hear more educated Indonesians are returning from abroad so maybe the change will be from within?

Personally I feel what Sg govt did with the airshow was not the best, we should know where we stand and register our displeasure and leave it at that instead of fanning the fun-fare

But hey what do I know I'm just another citizen.

Singapore cannot dictate Indonesia and the Singapore PM in 1973 placing flowers o the graves of the 2 marines is a sign of reconciliation, so why these mix signal now ?

In times of war and crisis, Singaporeans may just flee or migrate. We have a shitt country who abuse citizen. The citizen conscripts are mock and despise like an idiot. The peasants no matter how honorable or how well they perform in the army have no chance to go OCS.

Whats the point of posting all these irrelevant crap?

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Whats the point of posting all these irrelevant crap?

We served the army. You know and I know what is going on. We all know what the army boys are talking about. WTF are we defending?

2-2.5 years-- everyone of us. We sacrifice and we deserve the shitt?.... Even if I am comfortable now, I am seeing so many boys got shitt because of army liability.

I feel angry.

 

[nufix]

2 hours.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

The below is something went viral and you can see how Indian nationals behave. There are many companies in Singapore hated by us, even the local Indians hate them, reason being, these companies are cesspool of Indian caste system.

No doubt there are resentment against PRC, and pinoy. As I have said, Indian nationals are being hated most nowadays, not that other groups are not resented.

From: xxxx
Date: Wed, Nov 2, 2011
Subject: A step in the right direction: discriminatory practices against Singaporeans
To: TANCHUANJIN@mom.gov.sg
Cc: query@fairemployment.sg

Dear Mr. Minister:
I just read the article entitled ‘Don’t hire, promote own kind at expense of S’poreans‘. I cannot begin to say just how thrilled I am to see that the government is FINALLY stepping up to the plate in trying to curb this problem. I have been ranting and raving about this issue ever since I joined the workforce in 2004. I have worked at Hewlett Packard and Frost & Sullivan in Singapore, and both these companies are unabashedly guilty of such hiring practices.

I was a Director at Frost & Sullivan (Singapore) Pte Ltd. and I am well aware of our internal slant towards hiring MBAs from India. There was one time when we made 12 offers in one fell swoop to SP Jain (Singapore campus) and IIM MBA graduates. NOT A SINGLE Singaporean was offered a position. It wasn’t for lack of qualified Singaporean candidates either. Even our campus recruitment was geared towards hiring from Indian universities, instead of NUS, SMU and NTU. Cost was not the factor. We offered many of these graduates between SGD6,000 to SGD10,000 a month.

I can’t help but recall a situation of such irony that to this day, it pains me to have had experienced it at all. At Frost & Sullivan, one of our largest client sectors was the Government sector in Singapore. We brought in well over USD2 million a year in consulting engagements from the Government sector alone – both stat boards and ministries. When we staffed our projects, we would be lucky if we had even 20% of Singaporeans being utilized in the project team.

The entire management team at Frost & Sullivan are foreigners (with the exception of one). We have also helped many of our foreign hires to become Singaporean citizens during the period of their employment. While I am not against using foreign talent, the unfortunate reality is that many of these decently paying positions could have very easily been filled by Singaporeans.

Having done Manpower planning studies for two stat boards in Singapore, the facts and figures are quite startling, to say the least.

During my tenure at Hewlett Packard, I was on several government IT projects. Over 90% of my 100+ person team were foreigners. Like many other companies, how HP cleverly circumvented being “obvious” was to use “contractors”. Our contract was with the employment agencies who, in turn hire almost only foreigners. Hence, the headcount was never really seen. Of the 100+ person who was staffed on this one particular government IT engagement, less than 10% were full-time employees hired directly by HP.

In addition to my own personal experience, I know with absolute certainty that many of my close non-Singaporean friends who head up IT divisions within the banking sector have similar preferences of hiring foreigners over Singaporeans. While I cannot condone such practices, the system makes it far too easy for this to happen. They claim that it is better to hire foreigners because these foreign workers are more than likely to stay as almost all of them want to ultimately obtain Singapore citizenship.

Rather than formulating workable incentives to keep Singaporeans at their jobs, management takes the easy way out. Is this how a country takes care of its own?

As citizens, we give our country two and a half years of our life by going through national service. In that time, our foreign compatriots gain experience in the work force and we, as loyal citizens are penalized. Where is the logic behind this? I strongly believe that our government has a primary and inalienable duty and dedication to its citizens.

The vicious cycle is well engrained in every level of employment. Senior Management positions are given to foreign nationals. They then are inclined to hire their own kind, cutting people like myself completely out in the cold with no options but to seek higher-salaried employment elsewhere.

I am now a foreigner working in China because of the simple fact that many of the high-paying jobs in Singapore have been taken by my foreign friends. I would return to Singapore in a heartbeat if I could make the same sort of salary as I do here.

I have never felt more slighted being a Singaporean than I have during my career in Singapore.

Warmest Regards,
xxxxx

No PRC would conduct themselves like Indian nationals. The silicon valley engineers and colleagues told me same stories about Indians.

From XXX to some YYY. And this is a credible source
Lemme tell you something. Yu have no idea on caste system and its working. And Indians outside the country, rarely see their brothers in prism of caste dumbo.
What you will expect? Do u expect one caste people to "fill" singapore? This is not possible. So dont post BS and look urself idiotable and stupid.

 

[manlion]

2 hours.

with China's military backing that's viable especially the southern part

 

[Anonymous user]

We served the army. You know and I know what is going on. We all know what the army boys are talking about and what are we defending in the army.

2-2.5 years-- everyone of us. We sacrifice and we deserve the shitt?.... Even if I am comfortable now, I am seeing so many boys got shitt because of army liability.

I feel angry.

Does it matter if we serve the nation or not, everyone's got their own issues so we suck it up and review the issues at hand objectively.

When I was hiking in the Indonesian jungles / volcanoes anyone of the elderly locals could easily kill our NS boys with machete, if you hiked with them you realize that how strong and efficient they were. Our guide literally scaled up 1.5 Km on a volcano face to 4000 meters above sea level some thin clothes. I can guarantee even the fittest NS boys will have issues.

I don't want to disappoint you but if it came to hard jungle warfare on their turf we're all screwed. That's why we invest so much in the air force so least we stand a fighting chance,

Would you rather serve 2.5 years of your life serving the army but at least have a decent chance of being part of a middle class family in a first world country. Or take your chances and be born in Indonesia and maybe end up as a farmers son with limited opportunities due to corruption.

Travel more and realize the fortunes you already have.

 

[manlion]

Probably they tried to monitor Nipah island, which is still being reclamed and transformed into forward naval base.

the Sabdopalon Prophecy waiting to materialize ????????????

 

[Zarvan]

Singapore is welcome to speak out their concern, but the ship has been named and will not be changed.

Salute to the heroes Usman-Harun, Bung Tomo, and John Lie.

So Indonesians officially accept these two carried the bomb blasts ?????????????????

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Does it matter if we serve the nation or not, everyone's got their own issues so we suck it up and review the issues at hand objectively.

When I was hiking in the Indonesian jungles / volcanoes anyone of the elderly locals could easily kill our NS boys with machete, if you hiked with them you realize that how strong and efficient they were. Our guide literally scaled up 1.5 Km on a volcano face to 4000 meters above sea level some thin clothes. I can guarantee even the fittest NS boys will have issues.

I don't want to disappoint you but if it came to hard jungle warfare on their turf we're all screwed. That's why we invest so much in the air force so least we stand a fighting chance,

Would you rather serve 2.5 years of your life serving the army but at least have a decent chance of being part of a middle class family in a first world country. Or take your chances and be born in Indonesia and maybe end up as a farmers son with limited opportunities due to corruption.

Travel more and realize the fortunes you already have.

I traveled more than 99% of Singaporeans especially in Indon where I mentioned I backpack ferry hop from Sumatra to Sulawesi Madano.

Our guys suffered there 2.5 years and got kick out of jobs because we need to go army 3 weeks a year. What I am ranting here is not important, the important thing is now the whole fcuking unit is cursing and swearing they wont defend Singapore.

Do you want to deny?

From XXX to some YYY. And this is a credible source
Lemme tell you something. Yu have no idea on caste system and its working. And Indians outside the country, rarely see their brothers in prism of caste dumbo.
What you will expect? Do u expect one caste people to "fill" singapore? This is not possible. So dont post BS and look urself idiotable and stupid.

A lot of things are viral never mind credible or not.
Go and read SG forums.

 

[nufix]

So Indonesians officially accept these two carried the bomb blasts ?????????????????

Well yes, why do you ask?

the Sabdopalon Prophecy waiting to materialize ????????????

which one? Ratu Adil?

 

[Lux de Veritas]

The first rifle I fired, in 3rd Division.

Assigned as light machine gunner, this is the best SAW in the whole world -- 2 years.

Became a grenader in reserve unit.

Injured myself in training and as I aged, the injury start to hurt more and more.

All Singapore boys other than some of the rich who dodge draft gone though what I have gone through. Singaporean boys are kick out of employment, laid off due to 3 weeks in army for every year.

I am comfortable in my career but I pity the more unfortunate boys.

WTF are we defending?