Singapore Tops Latest OECD PISA Global Education Survey

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Whats the average iq of india?

Btw, i was atually taking your post very seriously, taking time to read its contents as the enviromental factor in IQ grading was enlightening to me- that is until i came to your last 2 paragraphs that suddenly transforms into the all familiar, unproven, racialistic and self-theorised rhetoric on self-asserted bharati IQ 'superiority'.

Thus reveals your true intention of attempting to downplay PISA results and asserting that indian iq is 'superior' by inventing one whole lot of causative factors n theories, arguing heaven and hell that PISA test results are inaccurate/unreliable- as proven by the contents of your subsequent posts in this thread- along the lines of:

'If i had xxxx, i would be yyyy like them'
'aaaa caused me not to be bbbb'

So the end statement after setting yourself up nicely by pretending to be constructive about IQ calculations is:

'Indian IQ is higher then most people- even those that are at the top of PISA scores!'

Interesting.

If you could edit this post, and add in all the source links on the racial % and their scores for both Malaysia and SG to prove the accuracy of your rationale, that could be very helpful indeed. Thank you!

Interesting.

If you could edit this post, and add in all the source links on the racial % and their scores for both Malaysia and SG to prove the accuracy of your rationale, that could be very helpful indeed. Thank you!

He cant anyway, as those statements are merely his own theories and assertions

 

[AndrewJin]

Whats the average iq of india?

Btw, i was atually taking your post very seriously, taking time to read its contents as the enviromental factor in IQ grading was enlightening to me- that is until i came to your last 2 paragraphs that suddenly transforms into the all familiar, unproven, racialistic and self-theorised rhetoric on self-asserted bharati IQ 'superiority'.

Thus reveals your true intention of attempting to downplay PISA results and asserting that indian iq is 'superior' by inventing one whole lot of causative factors n theories, arguing heaven and hell that PISA test results are inaccurate/unreliable- as proven by the contents of your subsequent posts in this thread- along the lines of:

'If i had xxxx, i would be yyyy like them'
'aaaa caused me not to be bbbb'

So the end statement after setting yourself up nicely by pretending to be constructive about IQ calculations is:

'Indian IQ is higher then most people- even those that are at the top of PISA scores!'



He cant anyway, as those statements are merely his own theories and assertions

It's weird a new member's first comments in a forum are in a thread about PISA, from which India has chickened out for years.

I would suggest people provide with scientific facts and researches to counter the previous survey which shows a country's average IQ is 82-85 as opposed to some assertions on immigration without scientific facts.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Well. Justify the performance of Chinese in India if your iq rates above chart. I don't need to justify low scores in pisa as this is what it is. India's TIMSS shows much higher IQ and young lives survey shows even higher.

And Indians have mapped IQ by province which will put average Indian in-between Orissa and Andhra pradesh, whether you like it or not. And above Tamil Nadu. Go and search on ASER state wise reading and maths scores. And verify my calculations.

Rather, looking at china's pisa 2015 which is same as white Americans (not USA) at 100 IQ and probably stuffed with Shanghai and Beijing high scores of 115 IQ as in previous rounds of PISA. I can deduce PISA scores in China's provinces which is obviously below 90. And if you read any china's IQ map made by chinese, Jiangsu is one of the highest and Guangdong is above average state.
So, I can deduce china's average IQ which is not very great as well.
Obviously as you have failed to carry a decent discussion like rest of Chinese who stupidly brag about their IQ which is sufficient to be shoe makers in India, I would stop discussion with you here.
As for someone asking percentile, read PISA volume 1 of 2012. But here is the data:-
Singapore is 74 pc Chinese, 13 pc Malays, 9 pc Indians.
Malaysia is 28 pc Chinese, 7 pc Indians, 60 pc Malays.
0.9 pc Malaysia made it to level 5 and 6. How many pc of Chinese can it be as they supposedly score higher than all races as they claim which does not hold in national school exams and is only limited to internet trolling by chinese themselves ?

The feeling is mutual. I cant carry on a convo with a some1 who doesnt have any evidence or results to back up what he claims and is adeptive at creatively transforming white into black, black into white; cat becomes a dog, dog becomes a cat.

On my side, the PISA test results does all the talking for me- vs your heaven n hell, self-pat-in-the-back arguements on your side.

Haha.

 

[Speeder 2]

Any leaked info from Chinese websphere on the breakup scores of these provinces? pls keep me posted if anyone gets some detail. Thanks!

 

[AndrewJin]

Province-wise iq studies has already done by China, anyone who knows Chinese can google that.

As for indians, the problem lie in their gene pool, I dont want to go further about that, in terms of genetics, the gene background of indians are almost as the same as native australians, both come from a very early branch of human being that out of africa, and this particular bunch of humans are not known to be good at intelligence-rated stuff, anywhere in the world, comparing to the latter branch.

Yes, indians do carry some Iranian/middle asians' gene, but thats much sparse comparing to their native background gene.

Anyone can do a google on human halogroup DNA research and know that.

Yes.
There are sufficient studies to support it.

Reading some of the comments of pure assertions makes me laugh.

I guess there are some false flaggers who intentionally create some accounts and mention a country that has nothing to do with this thread and PISA2015 (they chicken out because humiliation) and brag about some imaginary theory that is completely opposite to the previous study.

I don't think any real Indian member would step into this thread and make bold assertions to make India look even worse.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

This guy came into the china n far section n PISA thread to merely do some chest thumping, rant n vent his bharati frustration(that india scored low in PISA in previous tests n even abstained from it altogether in 2015)

His motive is to convince everyone that PISA results r bogus n to get every1 to acknowledge that indians habve high IQ.

Ya so every1 has to be educated the Indian way in order to have high IQ.

Like i said, i have the PISA results on my side.

This dude has only truckloads of assertions and self-theories on his. He can attribute blame to heaven n hell y indians score low in PISA tests n have low average iq.

Every1 take your pick.

 

[AndrewJin]

This guy came into the china n far section n PISA thread to merely do some chest thumping, rant n vent his bharati frustration(that india scored low in PISA in previous tests n even abstained from it altogether in 2015)

His motive is to convince everyone that PISA results r bogus n to get every1 to acknowledge that indians habve high IQ.

Ya so every1 has to be educated the Indian way in order to have high IQ.

Like i said, i have the PISA results on my side.

This dude has only truckloads of assertions and self-theories on his. He can attribute blame to heaven n hell y indians score low in PISA tests n have low average iq.

Every1 take your pick.

I suggest, if he has the integrity, he should use his main account to make comments about IQ. One does not create a new account and makes very first comments in a thread which has nothing to do with his own nation to brag about imaginary IQ supported by zero scientific proof.

This thread is not about IQ, but about PISA.
And it is not a thread to talk about a country that has chickened out from this test because of abysmal performances.
So, I would suggest mods take action to de-derail the topics from IQ back to PISA.
We should talk about education and its implication on PISA and global competitiveness.
It is not a proper place to talk about a country's average IQ is 82-85 or not.
Instead, we should focus on all the countries involved and make some healthy discussions on innovation, technology, human capitals, etc, that could be drawn upon education.
@Shotgunner51 @ahojunk

 

[AndrewJin]

Yes. In combined scores of 2015 PISA, 7 out of top 10 are East Asian countries, and also congrats to Estonia, Canada and Finland!

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From the last WIPO thread, we have learnt some interesting trends and phenomenon in the global patent trend. I do think there is some extent of correlation between WIPO and PISA.
Probably, PISA could suggest the future WIPO trend.

I do think, at least, current PISA results could lay some sort of foundation of future patent filing.
One country could have good PISA scores, but not good WIPO rank because of lack of industrial and innovative efforts made upon a good education system.
But no country could do very well with abysmal performances in PISA.

 

[Shotgunner51]

From the last WIPO thread, we have learnt some interesting trends and phenomenon in the global patent trend. I do think there is some extent of correlation between WIPO and PISA.
Probably, PISA could suggest the future WIPO trend.

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I do think, at least, current PISA results could lay some sort of foundation of future patent filing.
One country could have good PISA scores, but not good WIPO rank because of lack of industrial and innovative efforts made upon a good education system.
But no country could do very well with abysmal performances in PISA.

Yes, socio-demographic "pipeline".

Today's scientists/technicians are yesterday's kids, today's kids are tomorrow's scientists/technicians.

 

[52051]

So self proclaimed geniuses are out again.

Anyways here are Chinese province scores:-

China's overall score is 493 reading, 531 maths.

Shanghai scored as previous rounds of PISA. Same with all other nations. Beijing scored at par with Shanghai. At 598 maths, 560 reading.

Jiangsu and Guangdong average was 475 maths, 435 reading.

With Guangdong scoring lower than Jiangsu.

Having said that, there is no difference in international scores between Jiangsu and Guangdong (#3 and #7 scoring states of China as per China's IQ map) and Arabs, Truks, Iranians and many other Indian states tested at international level tests like TIMSS on Orissa and Rajasthan.

TIMSS 2003 on Orissa: 405, TIMSS 2003 Rajasthan: 385. That's 110 and 90 points behind whites.

Jiangsu and Guangdong 2015 PISA scores is also 70 odd points behind whites.

Of-course China chickened out in 2009 and didn't allow PISA to publish data for any region other than Shanghai. And now is trying it's best to show high scores as B-J-S-G, stuffing highest IQ cities in China (as per their own IQ map, not my claims) with high IQ states (as per their own IQ map, not my claims).

The only difference between Chinese and Arabs is that "both have same PISA scores and only one suffers from Dunning Kruger's effect and brag about it."

Lol, some user shared O-level maths score of Chinese/Indian in SGP. Bother sharing A-level maths score or language scores in SGP by race ? Or even household incomes ?

I already shared the academic and economic status of Chinese in India (60 million South West Chinese and Cantonese Chinese). Low IQ races suffer in high IQ society and high IQ races thrive in low IQ nations. Indians in SGP/HKG and Chinese in India seals the story and is a better proof given by human nature. Rather than your cherry picked IQ data.

For low IQ data on China and high IQ data on India, you can go to a question on quora "why china has a higher average iq than india" and see an answer by Walter. All low scoring IQ research papers on China (numbering 28) with downloadable links are put there.

And that's sufficient to throw away your high average IQ myth. Same with PISA 2015 which tells you the real IQ of China (and not Shanghai and Beijing out of which all your IQ data in China vs India map made by dull whites is taken from)..

Next time,we don't want China to chicken out by not allowing PISA to publish the results (other than Shanghai) or stuffing high scoring cities with real China.

Even Argentina is able to show 475 PISA by allowing CABA (City of Buino Aires) to participate instead of entire Argentina (which scored 388 PISA last time).

India participated in young lives survey and you can check the results.

Where is your source? I checked PISA website, and cannot find the numbers in your post, are you a typical indian, making up numbers out of thin air?

http://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA-2015-china.pdf

This is a typical behavior of indian's lowly IQ.

And you even cite a random quora reply whatever bullshit as your source? it seems that on quora nobody believe that.

If you check any of the links there are specially mentioned the IQ is tested on speical rural regions with controlled rural enviorments of health and industrial pollutions, thats not even satisfy national-wide IQ test's sampling standards.

Talking about national-wide IQ, based on standard RPM test, the latest national wide IQ studies are conducted by ministry of health in China in 2005:

With a national-wide mean of 103.4 and standard devitiion of 17.7, thats in 2005, I am sure nowdays the score will be even higher:

Thats the national-wide IQ study in 2005, with all 32 province's IQ listed above, with a sample size of 38,500 overall, on childern between 8-10 year old, combining both rural and urban population.

And thats what we called scientific national IQ study, funded by minstry of health of China (before you dismiss this, the quora illness/pollution studies you linked are almost all funded by ministry of health of China as well).

Indians are just pathetic.

 

[chauism]

Where is your source? I checked PISA website, and cannot find the numbers in your post, are you a typical indian, making up numbers out of thin air?

This is a typical behavior of indian's lowly IQ.

And you even cite a random quora reply whatever bullshit as your source? it seems that on quora nobody believe that.

If you check any of the links there are specially mentioned the IQ is tested on speical rural regions with controlled rural enviorments of health and industrial pollutions, thats not even satisfy national-wide IQ test's sampling standards.

Here is a website for PISA results, you can find all the data on it.
http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/

What he did was using 2012's Pisa data to deduce the scores for Guangdong and Jiangsu which is totally misleading, since the tests themselves are different. For example in 2012 HK scored 561 in math, but in 2015 it only scored 548. Also he is pitting Shanghai and Beijing with population around 45,000,000 against Jiangsu and Guangdong with combined population of more than 175,000,000, so any advantage of Beijing and Shanghai has in those test will be marginalized.

 

[52051]

Exactly, when there is a low IQ data; it must be environment, rural or sampling standards deficit. Keep dreaming.

Is Baotou a rural area of China ? Lol.

The papers mention "control environment" which means that environment tested is controlled for any deficit.
Ask Jason Malloy, a top notch IQ researcher and he will tell you that rural areas of China all score below 80. Or go to his site "humanvarieties".

Nobody believes China's IQ anymore.

Where did he say that? you try to put your words into his mouth? hehe.

This is what Jason Malloy said in his blog:

Since that time, Chuck has questioned whether Thailand’s IQ has risen to 98 and Heiner Rindermann found an IQ of 99 in Vietnam.

Meanwhile, in their latest IQ dataset, Lynn and Vanhanen (2012) give China an IQ of 105.5, Hong Kong an IQ of 108, and Singapore an IQ of 108.5. Even assuming that Thailand’s IQ is 88, as it is reported in the latest update, Burma shares a longer border with China than it does with India, which should put its regionally estimated IQ at 97.

My suspicion is that this number veers a lot closer to the truth of the matter, but only future research will give us a more reliable picture. I don’t give too much weight to a single small study, but one study is still more informative than no study. I trust that Lynn will add this reference to future updates of his dataset, and not ignore it simply because it will lower the correlation between national IQ and developmental indices.

http://humanvarieties.org/2014/06/06/hvgiq-burma/

 

[Offshore]

Where is your source? I checked PISA website, and cannot find the numbers in your post, are you a typical indian, making up numbers out of thin air?

This is a typical behavior of indian's lowly IQ.

And you even cite a random quora reply whatever bullshit as your source? it seems that on quora nobody believe that.

If you check any of the links there are specially mentioned the IQ is tested on speical rural regions with controlled rural enviorments of health and industrial pollutions, thats not even satisfy national-wide IQ test's sampling standards.

Talking about national-wide IQ, based on standard RPM test, the latest national wide IQ studies are conducted by ministry of health in China in 2005:

With a national-wide mean of 103.4 and standard devitiion of 17.7, thats in 2005, I am sure nowdays the score will be even higher:

Thats the national-wide IQ study in 2005, with all 32 province's IQ listed above, with a sample size of 38,500 overall, on childern between 8-10 year old, combining both rural and urban population.

And thats what we called scientific national IQ study, funded by minstry of health of China (before you dismiss this, the quora illness/pollution studies you linked are almost all funded by ministry of health of China as well).

Indians are just pathetic.

And this dude claimed he got PhD???



Well, Indian PhD worth as toilet paper... just the same like their currency

 

[chauism]

Exactly, when there is a low IQ data; it must be environment, rural or sampling standards deficit. Keep dreaming.

Is Baotou a rural area of China ? Lol.

The papers mention "control environment" which means that environment tested is controlled for any deficit.
Ask Jason Malloy, a top notch IQ researcher and he will tell you that rural areas of China all score below 80. Or go to his site "humanvarieties".

Nobody believes China's IQ anymore.

Here is where you lost all the credibility.

Human Varieties (HV) is a HBD website that hosts pseudo-science and racist blog-posts]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Human_Varieties

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Of-course China chickened out in 2009 and didn't allow PISA to publish data for any region other than Shanghai. And now is trying it's best to show high scores as B-J-S-G, stuffing highest IQ cities in China (as per their own IQ map, not my claims) with high IQ states (as per their own IQ map, not my claims).

The only difference between Chinese and Arabs is that "both have same PISA scores and only one suffers from Dunning Kruger's effect and brag about it."

Lol, some user shared O-level maths score of Chinese/Indian in SGP. Bother sharing A-level maths score or language scores in SGP by race ? Or even household incomes ?

I already shared the academic and economic status of Chinese in India (60 million South West Chinese and Cantonese Chinese). Low IQ races suffer in high IQ society and high IQ races thrive in low IQ nations. Indians in SGP/HKG and Chinese in India seals the story and is a better proof given by human nature. Rather than your cherry picked IQ data.

For low IQ data on China and high IQ data on India, you can go to a question on quora "why china has a higher average iq than india" and see an answer by Walter. All low scoring IQ research papers on China (numbering 28) with downloadable links are put there.

And that's sufficient to throw away your high average IQ myth. Same with PISA 2015 which tells you the real IQ of China (and not Shanghai and Beijing out of which all your IQ data in China vs India map made by dull whites is taken from)..

hi, my grandma can post an answer on quora too.

hehe.

Just checked the HVIQ Burma (which even you uploaded):-

Jason Malloy said (June 6, 2014 at 3.28 PM):-

"A long time ago I checked through his China references and almost none of them even contained IQ data! It was totally baffling. I have 100s of Chinese studies, many of them in Chinese. I would love to start working on the China post, but it would be a crazy amount of work, and I would probably need a good Chinese collaborator.

You are right, though. I have not carefully examined them, but many studies from rural China report IQ scores in the 90s, 80s and lower."

Several such legitimate IQ studies already uploaded on Quora.

Again, Jason Malloy is the most renowned person in IQ study. And even he does not believe the China's IQ to be above 95. Check the same link which you have posted.

Lastly, if the table shown by you is correct; China wouldn't have scored at par with Canada or white USA for B-J-S-G. And would have scored at 109 IQ.

It is nice that Chinese internet users keep bragging about the few highest IQ scoring studies in China but the reality is quite different and is already on your face in PISA. Even if I assume that "PISA sampled regions in China as per the population size of each region" which puts the weighted factor of Beijing and Shanghai at 0.25 in overall China's score, China's provinces will be in 94-97 IQ range. And that's among the highest scoring areas.

Overall China will be less than the PISA scores of Jiangsu and Guangdong by 5 points. Which will put it at par with Iran, UAE and 4-5 points above Trinidad and Tobago.

is India on the top 20 list of PISA results? Yes or no? dont be evasive and change topic or give tons of grandmother story again. just a simple yes or no.

u have an neverending supply ton's of self-dissected interpretations about various articles.

And once again, my grandma can post an answer on quora about anything u wanna know.