Singapore Tops Latest OECD PISA Global Education Survey

[Solomon2]

Not surprised. Some schools in America have adopted Singapore's education curriculum and materials in math and science. I've seen one or two of the textbooks, they are well-written and the exercises are good.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Asian countries on top
Asian education systems dominate the upper reaches of the these results tables - accounting for the top seven places for maths, with Singapore followed by Hong Kong, Macao, Taiwan, Japan, China and South Korea.

Yes. In combined scores of 2015 PISA, 7 out of top 10 are East Asian countries, and also congrats to Estonia, Canada and Finland!

 

[Shotgunner51]

This 2015 PISA (Age 15; Maths, Science and Reading; 70 entities) results show similar pattern as in 2015 TIMSS (Age 9-14; Maths, Science; 56 entities; China Mainland didn't participate). Interesting comparison.

https://defence.pk/threads/revealed...ience-and-maths-timss-results-in-full.464038/

 

[powastick]

I don't know why Malaysia withdraw from PISA. Result not good?

 

[LeGenD]

What is the criteria of this ranking?

 

[Shotgunner51]

While TIMSS and PISA scores (Maths, Science) are for students in school, there is another interesting comparison - patent filings per capita - which is more for the world of grown-up people (R&D houses, tech corporations). Interesting to see relationship between Maths/Science education vs R&D results of a nation.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/world-in...-2016-global-ranking-of-171-countries.462744/

 

[Jlaw]

UK sucked again as well as murica. It's better that muricans follow sports hero and get ripped off by Kanye West.

I don't know why Malaysia withdraw from PISA. Result not good?

Local malay are not good in school. Only Malaysian-Chinese are good in school.

 

[RPK]

91% for Chinese, 82% Indians, 60% Malays. Language: 92% Indians, 85% Chinese, 80% Malays.

Indian Tamils

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Malaysia scored 415 in PISA 2012 with a standard deviation of 85 points. With 0.9% students achieving level 5 and level 6.
Malaysia is 26% Chinese.

So if I assume that each and every person classified as Chinese as per Malaysian government outscored each and every person classified as Malay or Bumiputras by Malaysian government; then average Chinese score in Malaysia would be 495 with 2.5% achieving above level 5 and level 6. That's the highest possible score for Chinese in Malaysia.

Singapore scored 575 in PISA 2012 with a standard deviation of 95. 40% students reached level 5 and 6.
Singapore is 74% Chinese and 13% Malay.
20 percentile score of Singapore is 490. And PISA scores of bottom 13 percent population will be 458.

So, indeed there is a jump of PISA scores from Malaysia to Singapore for all races. And the gap on Malaysia and Singapore PISA score is not caused by demographic change that is moving from a Chinese majority to Malay majority society.

0.9% students reached level 5 and 6 in Malaysia on PISA. If I assume that all top scorers are Chinese (which is not as top scorers in Malaysia SPM are 72 Chinese, 11 Indians and 3 Malays), only 2.5% Chinese in Malaysia scored in level 5 and 6, vs 40% of Singaporean population.

And Malays in Singapore scored at par or higher than Chinese in Malaysia. Even if assume that all ethnic Chinese outscored all kids of ethnic Malay race in Singapore and Malaysia, that would still put "Malays in Singapore at a comparable score level to Chinese in Malaysia". That's enough evidence to reject "racial PISA score theory".

There is no overlap of scores in Singapore and Malaysia.

If you look at the pass rate by race in Singapore O-levels,
it is Maths: 91% for Chinese, 82% Indians, 60% Malays. Language/English: 92% Indians, 85% Chinese, 80% Malays.

I don't really think that Malay/Chinese score in Singapore can differ by more than 50 points. As the gaps in Singapore O-level suggests 8 IQ point gap between Chinese and Malays.
Vs 24 IQ gap in Singapore and Malaysia PISA scores.

Genetics is only part of the IQ equation. Education itself plays a nurturing part too. So does socialcultural principles like Meritocracy.

Meritocracy culture(and the Chinese are the 1s that established the nationwide-norm of meritocracy in Singapore) in Singapore is what drives up the scores immensely. Everyone is compelled to strive for the best if he/she wants to live the best. Those who do not possess that piece of paper are always living at the lower strata of society. Your education cert is worth more than gold in Singapore.

Education is many times, the only realistic way to move up the social ladder. Even signing up as a regular in the Army requires a minimum entry education qualification of O levels certification with 3 passes!

1)Meritocracy- one msut be compelled to study first, whether one like it or not- if one desires to obtain a better job and thus, live a better life. As one can see in the picture above ( https://www.mindef.gov.sg/arc/ ), one's salary is directly propotionate to one's educational qualifications- even in the military!(not to mention the private sector)
2)Education policies- a nation must favor education policies and devote related investments to its population
3)Genetics - I won't go into this - but it says something when so may countries/regions with East Asian populations top the list every year. One is self-denying this fact if you say 'race does not matter'.

= IQ

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Let me expose Indian Tamils then.

Agreed and in Malaysia, you have the opposite. Bumiputras are favored for admission in local universities.

These make people lazy and dis-allow them to work. If you are born as a Malay in Malaysia, you don't have to work at all as there will be a university waiting to hire you despite your low scores.

I would change your equation

Meritocracy + Education policies + Genetics + Environment

= IQ.

elaborate on the enviroment part

BTW, here's an interesting infomation and most people do not know this(even most Singaporeans):

Free education up to secondary school is provided for all ethnic Malays(only) in Singapore.

 

[AViet]

Yes. In combined scores of 2015 PISA, 7 out of top 10 are East Asian countries, and also congrats to Estonia, Canada and Finland!

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Is it a coincidence that unlike other European people who speak Indo-European languages, Estonian and Finnish both are Finno-Ugric languages, which are closely related to Mansi and Khanty languages in the Ural area (to be exact, Khanty Mansia in Central Russia) and to a lesser extent, Samoyedic languages.

The Sami people , who also speak a Finno-Ugric language, living in North Finland were once considered Mongoloid and Asian by so-called European social scientists because they were (and still are) nomadic

The Mansi and Khanty people are basically Mongoloid with European admixtures, while Samoyedic people, who live in an area from Finland to Mongolia, are nearly 100% Mongoloid (East Asian phenotype with blonde hair)

 

[Shotgunner51]

Is it a coincidence that unlike other European people who speak Indo-European languages, Estonian and Finnish both are Finno-Ugric languages, which are closely related to Mansi and Khanty languages in the Ural area (to be exact, Khanty Mansia in Central Russia) and to a lesser extent, Samoyedic languages.

The Sami people , who also speak a Finno-Ugric language, living in North Finland were once considered Mongoloid and Asian by so-called European social scientists because they were (and still are) nomadic

The Mansi and Khanty people are basically Mongoloid with European admixtures, while Samoyedic people, who live in an area from Finland to Mongolia, are nearly 100% Mongoloid (East Asian phenotype with blonde hair)

Interesting.

I have zero knowledge on this, let's see if other members can comment.

Let me expose Indian Tamils then.

Once go to ASER
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ANNUAL STATUS OF EDUCATION REPORT
"
Tamil Nadu is among the worst performing Indian state on ASER (which is like local TIMSS conducted by NGOs in India), may even be the lowest.

ASER on Tamil Nadu for 2006-2013 (source: ASER website)

Sample size:-
Year.........#Districts.....#Villages......#Households.......#kids(3-5)......#kids(6-14)....#kids(15-16)
2006........29................... 830............... 17274................4389............. 21166............4443
2007........29................... 796............... 16129................4374............ 22727............3632
2008........29................... 809................ 17196................4377............ 20997............3943
2009........29.................... 842............... 16530................3971........... 18720.............3884
2010........29.....................830.................17130...............4210 .......... 17906.............3511
2011.........29.................... 840................ 17271..............4116........... 18231.............3856
2012.........29.................... 841................. 17277.............3823.......... 16687..............3031
2013..........25................... 704................. 14860.............3274............ 14030............2567


Percentage of Class 3 kids that can read a given class 1 text:-
2006:-TN: 24.9, India(avg): 48.1
2007:-TN: 28.4, India(avg): 49.2
2008:-TN: 23.9, India(avg): 50.6
2009:-TN: 28.8, India(avg): 46.6
2010:-TN: 27.2, India(avg): 45.7
2011:-TN: 27.5, India(avg): 40.4
2012:-TN: 30.6, India(avg): 38.8
2013:-TN: 29.0, India(avg): 40.2

Percentage of Class 5 kids that can read a given class 2 text:-
2006:-TN: 24.9, India(avg): 53.1
2007:-TN: 28.4, India(avg): 58.9
2008:-TN: 23.9, India(avg): 56.3
2009:-TN: 28.8, India(avg): 52.9
2010:-TN: 30.5, India(avg): 53.7
2011:-TN: 32.3, India(avg): 48.3
2012:-TN: 30.3, India(avg): 46.9
2013:-TN: 31.9, India(avg): 47.0

Percentage of Class 3 kids that can subtract a given question:-
2007:-TN: 23.1, India(avg): 42.4
2008:-TN: 17.9, India(avg): 38.9
2009:-TN: 19.3, India(avg): 39.1
2010:-TN: 20.5, India(avg): 36.3
2011:-TN: 22.0, India(avg): 30.0
2012:-TN: 17.6, India(avg): 26.4
2013:-TN: 18.5, India(avg): 26.1

Percentage of Class 5 kids that can divide a given question:-
2007:-TN: 17.5, India(avg): 42.5
2008:-TN: 12.1, India(avg): 37.1
2009:-TN: 13.9, India(avg): 38.1
2010:-TN: 15.0, India(avg): 36.2
2011:-TN: 14.3, India(avg): 27.6
2012:-TN: 13.1, India(avg): 24.9
2013:-TN: 14.0, India(avg): 25.6

There is a huge gap between average for Tamil Nadu and average for India in all editions of ASER on reading and maths. Similar to the gap between Chinese and Malays in Singapore.





Agreed and in Malaysia, you have the opposite. Bumiputras are favored for admission in local universities.

These make people lazy and dis-allow them to work. If you are born as a Malay in Malaysia, you don't have to work at all as there will be a university waiting to hire you despite your low scores.

I would change your equation

Meritocracy + Education policies + Genetics + Environment

= IQ.

Looks like some very complicated maths to me, very interesting to read.

 

[Keel]

Not surprised. Some schools in America have adopted Singapore's education curriculum and materials in math and science. I've seen one or two of the textbooks, they are well-written and the exercises are good.

India students have been absent since 2009 PISA

Pakistani students participated in 2015
I wonder what their scores are

B-S-J-G has a combined population size of over 250 million
They are the best among all nations/territories which have a population over 100 million
Congrats to Macau for an outstanding advancement and achievement!
HK and Taiwan have performed well

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Environment part includes: Mal-nourishment, fluoride contamination in ground water, iodine deficiency, inbreeding.

If you were to read journals from China and around the world, average IQ of people in fluoride contaminated districts is only 65 all over the world.

Mal-nourishment can drop IQ by 10-15 points. If you are not well fed, you will feel dizzy and lazy throughout the day which can hamper your performance on IQ tests.

Birth weight of Child has a huge effect on IQ. It is well shown that if the mother at time of pregnancy is not well fed, the kid will have an unusual birth weight and will change his IQ.

Lack of iodine in diet can change the IQ by a big margin. It is well shown that the effects can cause 8-12 IQ gap.

Who knows what is the genetic part in East Asian score ?
In Malaysia, only 0.9% students made it to level 5 and level 6 in PISA 2012. Even if all are Chinese, it is still below the reported scores for African Americans.

Similarly, Whites in USA score very high. While Brazil, Argentina, Peru with 50-60 pc white population score way below African Americans. That does not mean that African Americans are more intelligent than whites.

It may even happen that Chinese in Malaysia are also out-performing on genes. And once you move them to Indian education system, they score or perform way below.

Rather, search "North East in IITs" and go to telegraph india link.
People in North East part of India (ethnically South West Chinese) only make up 45/20,000 seats in IIT out of 60 million population size. That's below the worst in India.

Similarly, Cantonese Chinese in India are shoe makers and unable to move up.

"There was a time when Bentinck Street in central Kolkata had rows and rows of Chinese shoemakers."

Source: lonelyplanet dot in "8-unforgettable-experiences-in-indias-only-chinatown".

While Indians in Hong Kong and Singapore are stories of success. Indians in HKG are way above locals on incomes while Indians in SGP are above locals now and even during racist times of LKY, they were 400 SGD below.

How do you explain that ? Smart or dumb Immigration does not explain this as (1) there are 60 million Chinese in India, too big to be generalized. (2) Indians in SGP and HKG migrated as peasants and bodyguards in British Empire. (3) Regression to mean IQ is real and Cantonese Chinese in India should have done better if their IQ is beyond human charts as they claim.

Whats the average iq of india?

 

[Speeder 2]

Malaysia scored 415 in PISA 2012 with a standard deviation of 85 points. With 0.9% students achieving level 5 and level 6.
Malaysia is 26% Chinese.

So if I assume that each and every person classified as Chinese as per Malaysian government outscored each and every person classified as Malay or Bumiputras by Malaysian government; then average Chinese score in Malaysia would be 495 with 2.5% achieving above level 5 and level 6. That's the highest possible score for Chinese in Malaysia.

Singapore scored 575 in PISA 2012 with a standard deviation of 95. 40% students reached level 5 and 6.
Singapore is 74% Chinese and 13% Malay.
20 percentile score of Singapore is 490. And PISA scores of bottom 13 percent population will be 458.

So, indeed there is a jump of PISA scores from Malaysia to Singapore for all races. And the gap on Malaysia and Singapore PISA score is not caused by demographic change that is moving from a Chinese majority to Malay majority society.

0.9% students reached level 5 and 6 in Malaysia on PISA. If I assume that all top scorers are Chinese (which is not as top scorers in Malaysia SPM are 72 Chinese, 11 Indians and 3 Malays), only 2.5% Chinese in Malaysia scored in level 5 and 6, vs 40% of Singaporean population.

And Malays in Singapore scored at par or higher than Chinese in Malaysia. Even if assume that all ethnic Chinese outscored all kids of ethnic Malay race in Singapore and Malaysia, that would still put "Malays in Singapore at a comparable score level to Chinese in Malaysia". That's enough evidence to reject "racial PISA score theory".

There is no overlap of scores in Singapore and Malaysia.

If you look at the pass rate by race in Singapore O-levels,
it is Maths: 91% for Chinese, 82% Indians, 60% Malays. Language/English: 92% Indians, 85% Chinese, 80% Malays.

I don't really think that Malay/Chinese score in Singapore can differ by more than 50 points. As the gaps in Singapore O-level suggests 8 IQ point gap between Chinese and Malays.
Vs 24 IQ gap in Singapore and Malaysia PISA scores.

Interesting.

If you could edit this post, and add in all the source links on the racial % and their scores for both Malaysia and SG to prove the accuracy of your rationale, that could be very helpful indeed. Thank you!