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The Japanese are fooling around with history
They are using dirty double standard tactics trying to climb onto the bed where Amercans sleep

Abe's Apology: For Americans, Not for Asians
Why did Abe offer apologies specifically to Americans, but not to Japan’s Asian neighbors? In a word: national interest.

By David Eunpyoung Jee
May 05, 2015

In the heart of Washington D.C., trees along Massachusetts Avenue, where Embassy of Japan is located, were decorated with three flags: the District of Columbia, the United States, and Japan. Anyone could literally see that Washington was prepared to welcome Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. Numerous standing ovations during his speech before the U.S. Congress demonstrated how close the United States and Japan are each other.

In addition to the celebration of friendship between the United States and Japan, another remarkable point of Abe’s visit came when he officially conveyed his “eternal condolences to the souls of all American people that were lost during World War II.” In contrast, during a speech in Harvard University, Abe chose not to acknowledge Japanese involvement in the sexual slavery of Asian women during the Pacific War. Why is Japan so two-faced? What makes Japan apologize to Americans but remains reluctant to admit its past wrongdoings despite constant demands from Asian countries? In a word — national interest.

What does Japan gain from a robust alliance with the United States? Japan is expected to gain from building better relations with United States in two aspects: economy and defense. On the economic front, Japan is expected to gain from the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). Japan’s GDP per capita is estimated to grow by 1.5 percent as TPP enhances Japanese trade volume and boosts foreign direct investment. Second, a good relationship with United States provides Japan with defense benefits. The recently revised U.S.-Japan Defense Guidelines allow Japan to play a more active military role hand-in-hand with the United States. The new defense guidelines give Japan more freedom of military action, which had been restricted by San Francisco Peace Treaty. Since the benefits from the alliance with United States outweigh the sentimental costs to Japanese people of conveying apologies for American casualties, Japan has no reason to hesitate in expressing condolences and delivering apologies to the Americans.

In the same way, as long as the benefits of fixing relations with Asian countries do not outweigh the sentimental costs of conveying apologies, which would require the Japanese people’s acknowledgement of what their grandfathers have done wrong, Japan will have no reason to extend clear apologies. Currently, it seems that Japan chooses not to apologize and acknowledge sexual slavery and massacres during World War II because the benefits from Asian countries are not considered significant enough.

According to the World Trade Organization (WTO), Japanese exports to China and the Republic of Korea account for approximately 25 percent of its total exports, but it could be considered negligible compared to the costs for the Japanese to admit what their grandfathers have done. It seems Japan is unlikely to apologize until Japan’s ties with Asian countries provide as many or more benefits than Japan gets from the U.S.-Japan alliance.

Abe’s U.S. visit shows that national interests can induce official apologies from Japan for its past wrongdoings. Many Asian countries, China and the Republic of Korea in particular, are not satisfied with Japanese apologies for their military actions during World War II and demand a more wholehearted apology from Japan via official channels. Unfortunately, it is unlikely that the Japanese will admit to the shameful deeds of their ancestors unless they get something in return, such as economic and defense benefits.

Therefore, there is a lesson that we can derive from U.S.-Japan relations. Appealing to sentiment has not been working, and it will not work in the future, but appealing to national interest will absolutely work. Asian countries should understand that emphasizing how useful and lucrative they could be to Japanese national interest, is the only way to gain official apologies from Japan. In the international arena, relationships are not about who is good and who is bad — it is all about give and take.

David Eunpyoung Jee is a Korea Foundation Associate Researcher of the Asia-Pacific Security Program at the Center for a New American Security. He previously served as a military officer at the operation center of Republic of Korea Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Abe’s Apology: For Americans, Not for Asians | The Diplomat


it's very simple logic. For Japanese and SE Asians you have to beat them badly than they will apologize to you and thank you for beating them because they were wrong for being the aggressor in the first place.

I don't understand why Chinese and Koreans do not understand the Japanese mentality?
 
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Singapore at first should make itself as a significant country in world politics before jumping the guns on advising states much stronger and powerful than itself.
 
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Considering the poor ranking of the Turks in the Olympics i don't see how some of them can mock Chinese as being short.
Apparently they are quite big, when it comes to verbal bravado & self praise.
 
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Actually absolute power at world stage doesn't necessarily mean influence. Singapore has almost always been very significant. Lee Kuan Yew was a very trusted advisor to many many many People. Far more influential than any Japanese politician can ever dream to be.
 
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Here comes another one of the scrawny and mangy pack members of Atatwolf.

You wanna talk big about Turkey but in reality, you are a tiny insubstantial player in a much larger world. Tiny in that your country is a fragment of a remnant of the Ottoman empire.

Smashed to bits. Such tiny bits. Oh, the humanity! To look upon the territories of the Ottoman and to see tiny tiny Turkey, I can see why you are a sour loser bunch. And to say that you havent been defeated in a millenia!

And there are some 30 million Kurds who want to further carve out land from Turkey. I do not wish separatism on sovereign nations, including Turkey, but they are going to hold elections in a week or so, as far as I know, and the outcome will likely be the make or break point for the country.

Are they going to elect the ISIS-friendly terrorist regime (not the country, and not at least half of the population, clearly) that was just recently caught red handed supplying weapons covered with medicine in boxes to Al Nusra and ISIS. They spin the story by claiming that the weapons hidden under medicine boxes were being sent to Turkomans, but, you know, everybody knows how Turkey regime is hand in hand with Jabhat al Nusra and ISIS terrorists with their Muslim Brotherhood buddy, Qatar.

And this guy speaks of the foreign policy of a secular and rational country like China.

That's one thing we Turks and Japanese have in common. Our 'immediate' neighbors seem to hate us, but you know what, who gives a cahoots what they think? As if geopolitics is some kind of friendship palace. LOL!

You do not have one thing in common: Japan gets its citizens beheaded by ISIS while Turkey supports and supplies them.
 
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That's one thing we Turks and Japanese have in common. Our 'immediate' neighbors seem to hate us, but you know what, who gives a cahoots what they think? As if geopolitics is some kind of friendship palace. LOL!

You are using the same nasty trick again: trying to establish a common enemy in China so as to cement the bond between Japan and Turkey
The same thing that you are displaying on the forum with the Indians, Viets, Pinoys
Here is one example
Japan gets contract to build strategeic roads on Indo-China border


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That's one thing we Turks and Japanese have in common. Our 'immediate' neighbors seem to hate us, but you know what, who gives a cahoots what they think? As if geopolitics is some kind of friendship palace. LOL!

Who gives a cahoot?

Public opinion becomes foreign policy. Friendship or not, it is important to be civil and well behaved.

The unresolved issues in East Asia is for Asians to settle. Insignificant Turks carry no weight here. In fact they carry no weight anywhere.

If you truly believe that people should stfu about the war, you are seriously mistaken and my opinion of you has fallen several notches.
 
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Public opinion becomes foreign policy. Friendship or not, it is important to be civil and well behaved.
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Exactly.

And this is exactly the advice that I give to my Chinese friends here. Public Opinion is very very important for a lasting relationship between countries, no matter what the political system.
 
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That's one thing we Turks and Japanese have in common. Our 'immediate' neighbors seem to hate us, but you know what, who gives a cahoots what they think? As if geopolitics is some kind of friendship palace. LOL!

Actually, you may have one thing, sadly, in common: Your immediate neighborhood carries the brunt of your actions. Ottomans were genocidal maniacs hated by the entire Balkans and Arabs. With this sort of rhetoric, you and your government is receiving no lesser bad feeling in your immediate neighborhood.
 
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Exactly.

And this is exactly the advice that I give to my Chinese friends here. Public Opinion is very very important for a lasting relationship between countries, no matter what the political system.

The relation between China and India at a people to people level is actually quite good. In this forum we belittle each other but in reality, no one in China or India truly wants a war with each other. There is no historical enmity or any issues large enough to start any enmity.
 
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A most grievous error my friend.

The crimes of the Imperial Japanese army is not to be shrugged and mocked. This is no laughing issue, no smiles in this thread.

That Turkish wolf pup have no place here and his opinion is simply callous ignorance.

Sinan actually hit on a very accurate point in regards to the demeanor of Japanese people based on our etiquette.

As to your conjecture about the unfortunate episode(s) in the China theater, yes they are. You know at first hen i read about the Nanjing Massacre and made historical analysis as well as appreciating its significance to present day Sino Japanese, Sino and Japanese relations to this present epoch, I was always pessimistic on part of inter-state recuperative processes due to the deep psychological hurt this incident will always evoke within the Chinese psyche as well as lead to a defensive response on the Japanese people.

The 2nd Sino-Japanese War, or for that matter the Great Pacific War, was an unpropitious event in Asia and may well always cause a foreordained counterpoise amongst Asian peoples. Be that as it may, this event took place and no amount of weeping and supplication shall reverse the incident(s), as I have now come to realize and accept. The dead are dead. The living are the only ones now able to make changes as well as to implement meta-analytical processes to shape a better present and tomorrow. The unfortunate incidents in the 2nd Sino-Japanese War , as cruel as it was, will forever be used as a model in defining the extreme thresholds of what military commands should never do in warfare in a heavily populated civilian area. The incidents pose a perfect example for case studies in military psychology, as well as the analysis of psychology of chain of command, the effects these have from the officer-strategic chain of command to the soldier-operational chain of command. A present day analyses on the rules of war as well as rules of engagement will forever be shaped by our understanding of what happened in Nanjing and other theatre areas of operation in China and in Southeast Asia.

To end my statement here, I will quote an excerpt from the Book called Huainanzi [ 淮南子 ] as it is pertinent in this meta-analytical approach towards sagacity: 塞翁失马, 焉知非福.
 
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That's the truth. Take it as it is.

No I wont take it
It is not the truth either

There is something fundamentally wrong in the Diplomat's article.

Japan can do both ie they can sincerely apologise to both USA and Asians at the same time
The action is NOT mutually exclusive. Gaining the US market does not mean they will lose the Asian ones or vice versa

The Japanese dont need to appease excessively to the Americans at the expense of the Asian demands


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No I wont take it
It is not the truth either

There is something fundamentally wrong in the Diplomat's article.

Japan can do both ie they can sincerely apologise to both USA and Asians at the same time
The action is NOT mutually exclusive. Gaining the US market does not mean they will lose the Asian ones or vice versa

The Japanese dont need to appease excessively to the Americans at the expense of the Asian demands


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Exactly. These two are not mutually exclusive. By truth, I meant, Japan seemed to apologize in the US to appease them while its approach in the Asian theater is less benign.

Probably, to force Japan into a formal, convincing apology, one needs to achieve an equal national strength as the US. :usflag:
 
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Sinan actually hit on a very accurate point in regards to the demeanor of Japanese people based on our etiquette.

As to your conjecture about the unfortunate episode(s) in the China theater, yes they are. You know at first hen i read about the Nanjing Massacre and made historical analysis as well as appreciating its significance to present day Sino Japanese, Sino and Japanese relations to this present epoch, I was always pessimistic on part of inter-state recuperative processes due to the deep psychological hurt this incident will always evoke within the Chinese psyche as well as lead to a defensive response on the Japanese people.

The 2nd Sino-Japanese War, or for that matter the Great Pacific War, was an unpropitious event in Asia and may well always cause a foreordained counterpoise amongst Asian peoples. Be that as it may, this event took place and no amount of weeping and supplication shall reverse the incident(s), as I have now come to realize and accept. The dead are dead. The living are the only ones now able to make changes as well as to implement meta-analytical processes to shape a better present and tomorrow. The unfortunate incidents in the 2nd Sino-Japanese War , as cruel as it was, will forever be used as a model in defining the extreme thresholds of what military commands should never do in warfare in a heavily populated civilian area. The incidents pose a perfect example for case studies in military psychology, as well as the analysis of psychology of chain of command, the effects these have from the officer-strategic chain of command to the soldier-operational chain of command. A present day analyses on the rules of war as well as rules of engagement will forever be shaped by our understanding of what happened in Nanjing and other theatre areas of operation in China and in Southeast Asia.

To end my statement here, I will quote an excerpt from the Book called Huainanzi [ 淮南子 ] as it is pertinent in this meta-analytical approach towards sagacity: 塞翁失马, 焉知非福.

War is war, people have been doing it since some one learned to use a bone club on some one down the dirt track.

The IJA knew precisely what they were doing.

Loot all
Kill all
Burn all

Very similar to the order issued by Hideyoshi 5 centuries back. Unfortunately the IJA lost the war and modern Japan will have to deal with an East Asia that remembers the brutality and callous cruelty. Nothing was learned, the brutality of war is known by all, the rules of war are as tenuous as fiat currency. What we do know is that:

Japan lacks remorse.
japan did not pay reparations and will never be able to afford to cover the debt of 30 million dead Chinese.
Japan would like to sweep the issue under the carpet because it is too hard and awkward.
Japan does not want to remember so wishes the rest of East Asia to STFU.

Sinan is a worthless mangy dog, his callous comment as worthless as his claims of Turkish grandeur. You belittle yourself greatly by associating with him.

The dead are dead but their decendants remember.

Those who fails to learn from history are doomed to repeat its sorrows. Men are men. The same urges, the same prejudices, the same faults.



 
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