Singapore Navy almost the size of Pakistan Navy

[Roybot]

not having a border with Afghanistan- its a good thing isn't it?-
or as in case of you having amrika as the protector?- constant billion dollars military and economical AID can make the GDP do wonders?- isn't it?-

Just being the devil's advocate here, but Pakistan itself is a pretty big American military and economical aid recipient. Not just since WOT, but even before that. Infact most of America's economic and military aid goes to Muslim countries. Ironic eh?

 

[KHIte]

The old question comes up where is the money?? honey??

PN is managing the best it can as in pakistan army always comes into limelight and everything under shadow.

is anybody asking you for money

stop trolling kid

 

[ashok321]

Singapore is surrounded by water from all sides- it naturally needs a bigger navy to maintain its integrity- dont know what the fuss is all about-

And Pakistan was sea blocked during 1971 war.
Nation needs money to spend on thier defense.
Thats the reality.......build schools, Universities, factories or match India pound for pound...
Choice is yours.

 

[Zarvan]

yes I know our economy is in bad conditions but we still need to increase our NAVY because our enemies are increasing and and we need lot more warships to tackle that man at least 24 Frigates and 16 Subs with around 40 Missile boats

 

[RezRoll]

Why you are surprised? Singapore has 25% biger economy, that Pakistan:

GDP, millions of US$:

39 Singapore 222,699
47 Pakistan 176,870

This stats become more amazing when you take into account the population of Singapore and Pakistan. 4.98 million and 170 million. Almost 34 times more.

not having a border with Afghanistan- its a good thing isn't it?-

Nah, it's not about borders or receiving aid. Singapore has their own major disadvantages, among them severe limitation of land and zero natural resources. They even buy drinking water from Malaysia because their country has no dams.

It's about how we make the best of what we have. From what I've read, Singapore has some genius economy planners among their government. And their ultimate priority is always the economy, that's why they succeeded so well.

 

[ashok321]

yes I know our economy is in bad conditions but we still need to increase our NAVY because our enemies are increasing and and we need lot more warships to tackle that man at least 24 Frigates and 16 Subs with around 40 Missile boats

If a country like Pakistan would aspire for 16 submarines, then India should have 100, because its bigger peninsula. Then what Pakistan would do to match it?

 

[Mani2020]

Just being the devil's advocate here, but Pakistan itself is a pretty big American military and economical aid recipient. Not just since WOT, but even before that. Infact most of America's economic and military aid goes to Muslim countries. Ironic eh?

What more ironic is such statement is coming out of a senior members mouth , that having all the experience on his back and i hope is sensible enough to know & understand bit of facts repeatedly mentioned on this forum in various thread but still acting like a typical indian member mouth...

You people live in a world which believes that Pakistan is just alive because of US aid. But if you dust the mud of the facts you will be able to know that US has delivered far less than it has mentioned or promise . In last 8 years US hardly delivered what it promised in the start of the WOT and the bits and pieces US delivered are consumed on the war which has been imposed by them not only that Pakistan has lost atleast 80 times more of itself than what US has offered us in past 8 years collectively. Almost 90 billions have been lost on WOT according to the estimates in 2009/10 and its now 2011 . a year down the road and do your maths again and see how much more has been burned or thrown down the drain

And for you kind information since US embargo on Pakistan from ~1989 to 2001 US had not given a single penny to Pakistan even most of the money paid by Pakistan for 100 F-16s was lost, not entirely but a good chunk of it , US never returned the whole money ...though most may claim it to be the case but never was the case... and the one which was returned was not in the form of hard cash rather in wheat and other commodities .

And if you look prior to that the money US provided to us was for their own purpose and that was to support taliban in afgh so they can make the soviets run.

And other side of the picture if you look is that most of the money they provided us in so called aid notion ended back in their hands by one or the other means . most of the times by buying some pieces of junk ....as that is the only thing US got to offer us with aid .... All the sophisticated equipment bought from US is on hard cash ,solely funded by us on our own like F-16s A/B in 80s, F-16 C/D , Aim-120C. JDAMS , MLU and everything related may it be JHMS. But most of you people are alluded with a lame thing that everything Pakistan buys from US is just funded by US . but in all sophisticated equipment procurement there was not a single penny provided by US ...the cash solely belonged to us


Finally the countries don't run on aids neither they get destroyed without aids ..... with the exception of one and that was mentioned by a member... that too started its way so but now has got enough stakes to fund itself for the years to come

 

[Zabaniyah]

Just being the devil's advocate here, but Pakistan itself is a pretty big American military and economical aid recipient. Not just since WOT, but even before that. Infact most of America's economic and military aid goes to Muslim countries. Ironic eh?

Are you insane?!

Are you saying that Saudi Arabia is one of them? Or that all those oil-rich Arab states are so poor, that they need American military aid to run their entire their respective military? Although, Yemen could be another case.

You do realize that the Middle East is a huge market for US weapons manufacturers? In fact to some extent, they are forced to buy American equipment. The weapons manufacturing sector is one of the few viable export oriented industries in the US. And with today's economic climate, it'll gonna stay that way for a long time. The Americans will push it no matter what. Otherwise, they'll gradually lag behind in technology development. There are many other countries like Russia and increasingly China who make weapons.

Pakistan bought much of its F-16s with hard cash. During the sanctions, some were never delivered and the money was never returned. The same thing happened to Iran when it ordered a large number of F-16s before the revolution. Did you know that the F-14 program was partly funded by the Shah of Iran? And they paid for those very F-14s with hard cash.

Hope you understand my point.

 

[Icarus]

In Lay Man's Terms:
Singapore has the all the chances to be attacked(IF EVER) by sea. So it makes sense to have a large navy. Pakistan faces a greater chance of a land-based enemy assault. It makes a lot more sense to spread your attack over our 1600km border than on our small coastline. Thus, our larger military and comparatively smaller Navy.

 

[TOPGUN]

One can compare alot of nations against each other its no use nor needed plzz stop this bs madness . PN is doing its best to catch up to the years lost i suggest most of you relax and don't loose too much sleep.

 

[Roybot]

What more ironic is such statement is coming out of a senior members mouth , that having all the experience on his back and i hope is sensible enough to know & understand bit of facts repeatedly mentioned on this forum in various thread but still acting like a typical indian member mouth...

Mate I never say anything without researching and proper data backing my statement. I only troll when am tipsy and thats once a fortnight.

You people live in a world which believes that Pakistan is just alive because of US aid. But if you dust the mud of the facts you will be able to know that US has delivered far less than it has mentioned or promise . In last 8 years US hardly delivered what it promised in the start of the WOT and the bits and pieces US delivered are consumed on the war which has been imposed by them not only that Pakistan has lost atleast 80 times more of itself than what US has offered us in past 8 years collectively. Almost 90 billions have been lost on WOT according to the estimates in 2009/10 and its now 2011 . a year down the road and do your maths again and see how much more has been burned or thrown down the drain And for you kind information since US embargo on Pakistan from ~1989 to 2001 US had not given a single penny to Pakistan even most of the money paid by Pakistan for 100 F-16s was lost, not entirely but a good chunk of it , US never returned the whole money ...though most may claim it to be the case but never was the case... and the one which was returned was not in the form of hard cash rather in wheat and other commodities .

Now you are accusing me of all sorta of things which I never said, you should go back and read why I made that comment and in what context, not to forget that I was just being the devil's advocate!

Either case about the toll of WOT on Pakistan's economy, according to GOP it was 68 Billion not 90 Billion. source

And I specifically said that I am not just talking about post 9/11 WOT aid that Pakistan received, rather the Aid Pakistan has received from America over the years.

From 1947-2002 Pakistan has received about 30 Billion USD in economical assitance and 7 Billion USD as military aid. So thats 37 Billion dollar, without taking dollar inflation into account.

US Aid to Pakistan and Democracy


Never said that a country runs on aid and will get destroyed without the aid. Not even Israel.

Its funny how you give all sorts of excuse for America giving Pakistan aid, and justification the aid was meant for Americas strategic gains and fighting America's war. But you don't see the same logic in the case of Israel. Israel after all is America's solid ally right in the middle of oil rich hostile territory. So the aid that America gives to Israel is for American benefit and strategic interests after all.


And please don't accuse me of stuffs that I never said

 

[Zarvan]

In Lay Man's Terms:
Singapore has the all the chances to be attacked(IF EVER) by sea. So it makes sense to have a large navy. Pakistan faces a greater chance of a land-based enemy assault. It makes a lot more sense to spread your attack over our 1600km border than on our small coastline. Thus, our larger military and comparatively smaller Navy.

Sir we don't have that smaller seas cost first of all than our enemy India all of its Navy is still main deployed for Pakistan not China so we have to prepare ourselves for and attack from India

 

[Zabaniyah]

Mate I never say anything without researching and proper data backing my statement. I only troll when am tipsy and thats once a fortnight.

Done.........

 

[Zarvan]

Are you insane?!

Are you saying that Saudi Arabia is one of them? Or that all those oil-rich Arab states are so poor, that they need American military aid to run their entire their respective military? Although, Yemen could be another case.

You do realize that the Middle East is a huge market for US weapons manufacturers? In fact to some extent, they are forced to buy American equipment. The weapons manufacturing sector is one of the few viable export oriented industries in the US. And with today's economic climate, it'll gonna stay that way for a long time. The Americans will push it no matter what. Otherwise, they'll gradually lag behind in technology development. There are many other countries like Russia and increasingly China who make weapons.

Pakistan bought much of its F-16s with hard cash. During the sanctions, some were never delivered and the money was never returned. The same thing happened to Iran when it ordered a large number of F-16s before the revolution. Did you know that the F-14 program was partly funded by the Shah of Iran? And they paid for those very F-14s with hard cash.

Hope you understand my point.

Saudi Arabia is buying weapons not getting Aid plus they are now training their military and preparing them for any future wars and they are also making their Saudi Guard force into a proper Army

 

[Zabaniyah]

Saudi Arabia is buying weapons not getting Aid plus they are now training their military and preparing them for any future wars and they are also making their Saudi Guard force into a proper Army

That was my point. I don't know how come people say they rely on aid...lolz...