Sikhs Returning To Orakzai Agency

[Hyde]

He and the rest of us have the same problem that you have whenever something even accidentally goes wrong against Muslim community in non-Muslim countries. Expressing solidarity is not wrong at all. What wrong did Sidhu say? He said to invite those Hindus/Sikhs from Pakistan here who're not sure of their safety and grant them Indian nationality and I do agree with him.

If their lives are not safe just because they're not Muslims, then they're welcome to come here anytime. We already have received a lot of Hindu/Sikh refugees in 2008 via goods trains who came in illegally pleading for asylum. What's so wrong in what Sidhu expressed?

But this Sikh has to say something else,

YouTube - Treatment of Non Muslim Sikhs in Pakistan. Are Sikh IDPs treated equally? English Subtitles

 

[Tshering22]

But this Sikh has to say something else,

YouTube - Treatment of Non Muslim Sikhs in Pakistan. Are Sikh IDPs treated equally? English Subtitles

Buddy, videos are simply individual cases. I am not generalizing mistreatment in Pakistan at all since they're all remote and bear no connections. It is just that in case that those families don't really feel so, they can move in here. Nothing personal against Pakistan at all.

Even in the most lawful of countries, things like what happened to those poor innocent people, happens. It is simply unavoidable with humans being the main reason.

 

[Karachiite]

Sikhs are loved in Pakistan because they are die hard loyal.

 

[Areesh]

He and the rest of us have the same problem that you have whenever something even accidentally goes wrong against Muslim community in non-Muslim countries.

Don't you accuse us of Muslims ummah. According to some Indians their is no such thing as Hindu Ummah or Sikh Ummah.

Expressing solidarity is not wrong at all

You should tell this to Indians rather than conveying it to Pakistanis.

What wrong did Sidhu say?

He poked his nose in Pakistan's internal matter. That's what wrong he did.Infact he proved himself to be a loud mouth.

He said to invite those Hindus/Sikhs from Pakistan here who're not sure of their safety and grant them Indian nationality and I do agree with him.

And when did India become the leader and protector of sikhs all over the world.

Ok going by your logic are you ready to send all the affected chiristians of Orissa to be relocated in Vatican or any other Chirstian majority country. Or are you ready to send all the affected Muslims of Gujrat to Pakistan or any other Muslims state. Your answer would be obvious.

If their lives are not safe just because they're not Muslims, then they're welcome to come here anytime.

I again ask when did you become the guardian of the sikhs all over the world.

We already have received a lot of Hindu/Sikh refugees in 2008 via goods trains who came in illegally pleading for asylum.

A case of illegal migrants just like illegal migrants from Bangladesh.

What's so wrong in what Sidhu expressed?

Everything is wrong with what he said. Nobody wanted his opinion. The issue is about Pakistan and Pakistani Sikhs. He has nothing to do with it. Being a loud mouth doesn't mean he can interfere in Pakistan's internal matters.

If he had shown the same concerns about what happened to sikhs in India Mr P. Chidambaram wouldn't have join the shoe club.

Shoe attack on Indian minister

I will say again, those sikhs are Pakistanis and Sidhu or any other Indian has no right to interfere about Pakistan's internal matters.

 

[Tshering22]

Don't you accuse us of Muslims ummah. According to some Indians their is no such thing as Hindu Ummah or Sikh Ummah.

Certainly there isn't. And don't read too much between the lines. I am not accusing Muslims about anything. I am just saying that feeling of concern towards people of similar branches of faith just as you have a structured Ummah and worry about Muslims all over the world. And BTW, mainstream Hinduism, Sikhism and Buddhism share the core of faith which is difficult for Abrahamic faiths to understand. Unlike a specific structure, we can worship in each other's places and this common bond naturally will cause a concern to us Indians. I cannot elaborate this because it will digress the thread and take up lot of bandwidth.

You should tell this to Indians rather than conveying it to Pakistanis.

Why? What did we say to you? It was your friend who was saying that Siddhu is wrong, which he isn't. He's a Sikh and has every right to get livid at what's happened in Pakistan. Don't change the rules when it comes to others.

He poked his nose in Pakistan's internal matter. That's what wrong he did.Infact he proved himself to be a loud mouth.

You guys poke nose in EVERYONE's matter from USA's and Canada's Muslims, to Europe, Russia, India, China and Australian Muslims. Why are you now complaining when reverse case is happening to you? And this is with meddling in India's affairs big time tangibly. Siddhu simply said a few words; you're talking as if he's started terror camps lobbing grenades at your troops and people.

And when did India become the leader and protector of sikhs all over the world.

Man, seriously... Sikh Dharm is present in India maximum; this is the land where the sect originated and naturally being the birth country it would cause apprehensions to us all Indians of different branches. You're talking as if we took some action for it; he expressed his anger in words. Why the over reaction?

Ok going by your logic are you ready to send all the affected chiristians of Orissa to be relocated in Vatican or any other Chirstian majority country. Or are you ready to send all the affected Muslims of Gujrat to Pakistan or any other Muslims state. Your answer would be obvious.

We're a country that's not bound by any political ideology and those who feel that are not sufficiently provided justice can re-appeal and if they don't find satisfaction, they have all the right and freedom to leave. We can request them to stay and give it further try but if they really are determined and don't wish to reside here anymore; they can leave and we cannot stop them. Just like millions of Indians of all categories are free to move for commercial purposes like better living standards to West and other countries, those who feel that they need more can leave to the countries of their choice. No one is banishing them or stopping them with force.

For example, in the last 15 years, a lot of Indian Jews migrated to Israel and became Israeli citizens. We never stopped them and simply presented an option for them to stay or if they wanted, become Israelis. Choices are entirely upto people in India; it is not run by specific demographic regulations.

You won't understand it; we don't have rigid structured thinking like you guys. It is the simple ideological difference with which you were created separate from us. I am not insulting or being rude, but simply highlighting facts.

You're making the riots sound too one-sided despite knowing reality heart in heart.

I again ask when did you become the guardian of the sikhs all over the world.

Again you don't understand our mindset. I am merely saying that this being their land of faith, IF they feel they're not safe in their current place of living, they're welcome anytime. This "guardian" word is more popular among you guys who generally yell about Muslim citizens of other countries that even Saudi and Iran, the two main custodians of your faith don't bother.

This is an option; not a guardianism as you're indicating.

A case of illegal migrants just like illegal migrants from Bangladesh.

Agreed, but this case is quite different since they're being persecuted for their faith. Bangladeshi immigration is a problem because most of the illegal migrants being not literate or aware enough, are spreading radical fundamentalism in the east here which is a problem for us Buddhists and Hindus. Communal radicalism is becoming a problem in adjoining villages and needless violence is happening.

We didn't get that with the Sikhs and mainstream Hindus who escaped from Pakistan.

Everything is wrong with what he said. Nobody wanted his opinion. The issue is about Pakistan and Pakistani Sikhs. He has nothing to do with it. Being a loud mouth doesn't mean he can interfere in Pakistan's internal matters.

Sidhu has every right to express his opinion in India as he likes where he likes. And if you watch the video, the anger was not just from him but thousands of Hindus, Sikhs and even from us Buddhists (not in video but solidarity-wise). This is not a loony dictatorship where he cannot express his concern.

As for highlighted part, you of all the countries around the world should be last to complain about meddling in internal matters, after the ruckus that your groups caused in our territory and challenged our national sovereignty in our state.

If he had shown the same concerns about what happened to sikhs in India Mr P. Chidambaram wouldn't have join the shoe club.

What tragedy happened to Sikh community in the past is not the viewpoint of entire India and we hold it as deepest regret. It was orchestrated by secular-fascist Congress activists who have no religion but money and power. Don't associate entire country with them.

I will say again, those sikhs are Pakistanis and Sidhu or any other Indian has no right to interfere about Pakistan's internal matters.

Stop meddling in J&K before saying that again and again. Don't throw stones at others when you live in glasshouses.

And FYI, the mainstream Hindu and Sikh refugees who escaped massacres in Pakistan and came to India didn't come on our invitation; it is because they felt that India is the safest place for them not to be religiously persecuted.

 

[Tshering22]

But this Sikh has to say something else,

YouTube - Treatment of Non Muslim Sikhs in Pakistan. Are Sikh IDPs treated equally? English Subtitles

There are thousands of such videos. Please read my just-previous comment for further details.

 

[Karachiite]

YouTube - Sohna Pakistan - Jassi Lailpuria

 

[Gentle Typhoon]

^ bro no doubt Sikhs are patriotic to Pakistan, I have met few. No need to prove to me or other Indians. Have confidence.

Its all Political Mileage, MMS our PM is Sikh, has he interfered in your internal matters? Punjab CM has asked anything? Sidhu or anyone else if media asks response will remain same on humanitarian grounds, we are aware that everyone regardless of religion suffered due to terrorism.

 

[Hulk]

Why special emphasis on Sikhs?

 

[TaimiKhan]

Why special emphasis on Sikhs?

Becoz they were a victim of the Taliban idiotic rules and were forced out of their homes and their homes taken over by the Taliban.

And now, they have returned back and hopefully in future won't have to face the Taliban rules again.

They were harassed by the taliban, since they were Sikhs, may be that is why its significant or special emphasis being given on them.

Same special emphasis was given to the hundred thousands of IDPs dislodged from their homes during the other military operations, dozens of reports came about their suffering, hopes, aspirations for future, thus its not a new thing that emphasis is being given to someone who were driven out of their homes and now they have been returned.

It may be looking odd, or in reality rather Indian members trying to make an issue out of it since there are Sikhs involved, but they have not been alone in this ordeal, millions more suffered at the hands of the Taliban, and all got due attention from the media. So, its not new.

 

[Spring Onion]

Why special emphasis on Sikhs?

Because earlier when they were targeted by Taliban (though these Taliban target Muslims more than Sikhs/hindu/christian Pakistanis) India started propaganda worldwide trying to cling to this opportunity.

Its time to show the world the other side of the story.

When thousands of tribesmen are still living in IDP camps and outside their areas due to militancy the return of Sikh Pakistanis is significant

 

[Prometheus]

I think .....Internal security issues of Pakistan is no more internal.............other countries are getting effected by it............and other countries are helping Pakistan to over come this thing........So if Sidhu talks about Attacks on Sikhs in Pakistan.........He is not the only talking to internal issues of Pakistan......well whole world is taking about that

 

[Prometheus]

Because earlier when they were targeted by Taliban (though these Taliban target Muslims more than Sikhs/hindu/christian Pakistanis) India started propaganda worldwide trying to cling to this opportunity.

:

Evil Bharatis...........what can be expected from them............they always try to take advantage

 

[Areesh]

Certainly there isn't. [/B]

Obviously their isn't.

I am just saying that feeling of concern towards people of similar branches of faith just as you have a structured Ummah and worry about Muslims all over the world.

When their isn't a sikh ummah. Self Contradiction or what.

Unlike a specific structure, we can worship in each other's places and this common bond naturally will cause a concern to us Indians.

Irrelevant.

I cannot elaborate this because it will digress the thread and take up lot of bandwidth.

Good.

Why? What did we say to you?

Search the forum and see how many Bharatis try to ridicule the Islamic Ummah concept.

It was your friend who was saying that Siddhu is wrong

Yeah I know. And he was right by calling Siddhu a loud mouth.

He's a Sikh and has every right to get livid at what's happened in Pakistan.

He is a loud mouth and shouldn't poke his nose in our affairs.

Don't change the rules when it comes to others.

I am applying your rules to you.

You guys poke nose in EVERYONE's matter from USA's and Canada's Muslims, to Europe, Russia, India, China and Australian Muslims.

Well it is because of the ummah thing. Irrelevant for you because Sikhs don't have ummah concept.

Why are you now complaining when reverse case is happening to you?

Because their isn't a Sikh Ummah.

Siddhu simply said a few words

He should say few words about what happened to Sikhs in India.

Sikh Dharm is present in India maximum

That doesn't make you the guardian or leader of Sikhism. Many sikhs won't agree to it.

this is the land where the sect originated and naturally being the birth country it would cause apprehensions to us all Indians of different branches.

Sikhism was originated in sub continent not present day India. Makes a lot of difference. Anyways it also doesn't make you the guardian of Sikhism. Many sikhs might not agree to this hilarious idea.

You're talking as if we took some action for it;

You lack morality for any action.

We're a country that's not bound by any political ideology and those who feel that are not sufficiently provided justice can re-appeal and if they don't find satisfaction, they have all the right and freedom to leave. We can request them to stay and give it further try but if they really are determined and don't wish to reside here anymore; they can leave and we cannot stop them.

Than giving shelter to citizens of other countries ask your own citizens whether they want to live in India or not. Hopefully answer would be positive.

those who feel that they need more can leave to the countries of their choice.

Only if they have the proper resources. How can they travel to other countries while living in ghettos.

For example, in the last 15 years, a lot of Indian Jews migrated to Israel and became Israeli citizens.

Because they had the resources.

Choices are entirely upto people in India; it is not run by specific demographic regulations.

Do ask the affected Christians or Muslims about their choice? The answer would be obvious.

As I said before giving so called shelter to citizens of other countries first provide satisfaction and justice to your own citizens.

You won't understand it; we don't have rigid structured thinking like you guys.

Oh we know that and many sikhs living in USA or Britain also know that.

You're making the riots sound too one-sided despite knowing reality heart in heart.

The worst affected were the minorities. You also know that in your heart.

Agreed, but this case is quite different since they're being persecuted for their faith.

Faith doesn't make someone legal. It is a case of illegal immigrants.

We didn't get that with the Sikhs and mainstream Hindus who escaped from Pakistan.

Doesn't make illegal immigrants as legal. If Bangladeshi citizens live peacefully than they are also legal citizens of India by your logic.

I am merely saying that this being their land of faith,

No it isn't.

IF they feel they're not safe in their current place of living, they're welcome anytime.

The question is still the same the when did India become the guardian of Sikhs and why they aren't illegal immigrants treaded as illegal immigrants.

Sidhu has every right to express his opinion in India as he likes where he likes

Yup he can express his opinion until he pokes his nose in external affairs.

As for highlighted part, you of all the countries around the world should be last to complain about meddling in internal matters, after the ruckus that your groups caused in our territory and challenged our national sovereignty in our state.

Same goes for you too. Don't support terrorism in your neighbors. We have the past and the present to prove how much you interfere in other country's affairs.

What tragedy happened to Sikh community in the past is not the viewpoint of entire India and we hold it as deepest regret

That happened in India and that too by political, democratic govt of India.

Don't associate entire country with them

So when Mr Siddhu is raising concerns over those incidents?

Stop meddling in J&K before saying that again and again.

You missed the point. IOK is not India's internal matter. Even Indians know that.

Don't throw stones at others when you live in glasshouses.

Same goes for Siddhu and others like him too.

And FYI, the mainstream Hindu and Sikh refugees who escaped massacres in Pakistan and came to India didn't come on our invitation; it is because they felt that India is the safest place for them not to be religiously persecuted.

It was the case of illegal immigrants. Treat them in the same manner.

 

[Spring Onion]

I think .....Internal security issues of Pakistan is no more internal.............other countries are getting effected by it............and other countries are helping Pakistan to over come this thing........So if Sidhu talks about Attacks on Sikhs in Pakistan.........He is not the only talking to internal issues of Pakistan......well whole world is taking about that

Who is Sidhu???


anyway who cares