Just saw this thread while browsing and thought I would add a few points.
We banned Indian social topics long time ago, don't post them and no one will comment on it. Stop poking your damn nose in our internal affairs.
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Aeronaut but this is an issue we must fix. Personally I believe they shouldn't be raising it but us but the issue with us Pakistanis is we don't feel the pain as much pain for another Pakistani if he belongs to another sect or ethnicity. I have seen it and the ethnic polarization proves it here in Karachi (MQM, ANP, PPP)... its the same with religion. Maybe either we should start raising the issue or we should let the Indians do it. Quaid E Azam gave us a responsibility before he left. He explicitly expostulated us to protect minorities:
Muslims! Protect your Hindu Neighbours. Cooperate with the Government and the officials in protecting your Hindu Neighbours against these lawless elements, fifth columnists and cliques. Pakistan must be governed through the properly constituted Government and not by cliques or fifth columnists or Mobs.
I believe this applies to Sikhs as well. This shouldn't even be raised by them but we should be fixing it.
WebMaster has stated Indians can not make a single thread on any issue relating to the internal matters of Pakistan which okay is fair enough I accept that afterall this is a Pakistani forum not a Indian one. On the other hand you have senior members like Windjammer making countless threads on the internal matters of India not to mention I have seen 3 threads just today on SRK.
I remember a time when negative threads were being posted left and right (about 2-3 months ago) about Pakistan and it was allowed. No such thread would find its way in the Indian forums. The issue with both of us is we don't want to see the ugly and negative sides of religious dogma that pervades our countries. We seek to deflect matters of minority rights pertaining to our own country and focus specially on the other. In this it is a good rule-but the thing is again Pakistanis refuse to talk of minorities in their land and Indians in theirs. Both seek to falsely promote minorities in each land are living perfect lives.
Yeti also do note the issue is 13-14 Million people in Pakistan have very strong links to parts which are now in India, the younger generation in most cases not as many but in my case this is different. I have been to Lucknow and other cities now in India more than a dozen times. The link exists. So I feel I have a right to do so though I am trying to tone down on it to merge in the Pakistani fabric within one of the ethnic groups as a separate identity has been a cause of some issues. Many of us have ancestral homes in what is now India. So it can often be hard to stay disengaged with certain issues concerning a certain minority group left there. We have also seen things, especially those immigrants who came after Babri and Gujarat or from Kashmir. They feel inclined to explain their difficulties, a lot of them in the sincere hope that things may be solved.
Is this not a tad bit hypocritical in your view? and why is it always left to me to point out issues to do with minorities in Pakistan? I would love it if Pakistanis would do it so I do not have to.
I believe this is not the case that only you are to point out these issues. I was visiting less often in those days but I posted articles on the Rinkle Kumari and a number of other cases. Jogindar Nath Mandal is my personal hero. I support Raja Dahir as a Pakistani Nationalist in support of Hindus of Sindh.
I believe you think it is beneficial for the Hindus of Pakistan for you to raise issues pertaining to this. That is an incorrect assessment. I often wondered why even the people I know in Hyderabad, Deccan where there were killings wish to maintain no real contact with us. It can be named as a cause for what people call my identity crisis.
Born to a family that calls itself Muhajir for no reason, maintaining links to Firangi Mahal of Lucknow (being Lucknowites) and merged as a Pashtun. Some people think I am crazy including family members. But you have to understand the link.
However even you may have noticed if you have relatives left here that they refuse to maintain a solid link to India. In India the muslims who are closet supporters of Pakistan like my mami and lots of other people I know do the same. Even these people eventually began refusing our moral support and good wishes. The issue in both nations is that being seen to be close to a perceived enemy nation is a crime. For example even top fashion designer Deepak Perwani too was refused entry to a hotel because he was talking on the phone to an Indian client and mentioned India a few times... (i am not sure about this but this was how it was reported) so having a link to one of these nations in either Pakistan or India makes a person's position tenuous.
Therefore when I talked about the petition earlier I said it might be better if Pakistanis signed it rather than Indians but that is a decision I might have to leave to the Hindu community of Pakistan.
So really in my view the Mods need to get together and come to a consensus where we stand is it going to be one rule for all or we going to nitpick here that is where the confusion is for myself.
The mods are just following the rules, they cannot make exceptions. The issue is our denial of issues in our land and focus on the other. It is a characteristic of both Indians and Pakistanis.
Here it was Quaid E Azam who specifically is demanding us to protect our minorities so I don't think any true Pakistani would warrant or support any of this. We will fight the militants and eliminate them. Furthermore during a time of terror when no one else is safe and there is no law, at such times minorities do bear the brunt of all attacks and brutality. This is a sad truth but when the rest aren't safe people do not feel they can or have the power to protect minorities. You will see the same claim made by some Hindus who say that Muslims are unable to ensure their protection today on account of worsening situation as since 47 areas like Ranchor lines and other places in Karachi have existed as Hindu colonies-the story being that Muslim neighbours protected them from mobs.
Also do note that I found 18-24 kidnapping cases in Peshawar in December 2012 (24 because they are unproven)... all of them were Muslims. So you see media is playing its role in specifically highlighting abuse to minorities which is a good thing. Hopefully some generous individual can offer a donation or offer to pay the ransom amount. People blame us journalists and media for pointing out wrong but wrong is there to be pointed out so action is taken against it. But sometimes they may be right when they say you didn't point out the kidnapping of 24 muslims but singled out 1 sikh and did so. So understand the situation we face.
Also people look at this from a very communal worldview. They have a problem with such threads on India but love this one don't they? So both countries have a fair share of hypocrites when it comes to minorities.
Its difficult to read the unwritten rules.
