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Siachen dispute: Pakistani official blames India for collapse of talks

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ISLAMABAD:
India has turned down a Pakistani proposal seeking the immediate demilitarisation of Siachen, the world’s highest battlefield, at the recently held talks between the senior defence officials of the nuclear-armed neighbours in New Delhi.

The two-day talks between the defence secretaries remained inconclusive after India ‘hardened its position’ preventing the resolution of the 26-year-old dispute, a senior Pakistani defence official, who was part of the negotiations, told The Express Tribune.

Requesting anonymity, the official said Pakistan handed over a ‘non-paper’ to India envisaging a clear roadmap for resolution of the longstanding problem. “We have proposed immediate disengagement as a way forward for resolving the dispute,” he added.

However, the Indian side did not agree due to ‘pressure and intransigence of their Army,’ which was not willing to resolve the Siachen dispute to vacate the conflict zone and go back to previously held position, the official insisted.

“Indians give the impression of being flexible in the media but the fact is that they are not willing to resolve the issue,” he explained.
The Siachen conflict began in 1984 when Indian forces launched a successful operation to force Pakistani troops to retreat west of the Saltoro ridge. Since then the two countries fought intermittently in the region as high as 20,000 ft until they agreed on a ceasefire in 2003.
Over 2,000 troops have died from both sides, a majority due to the harsh weather.

India wants Pakistan to authenticate the 110-km actual ground position line (AGPL) along the Siachen Glacier-Saltoro ridge in Jammu and Kashmir, while Islamabad insists reverting back to the pre-1984 position.

According to the US confidential diplomatic cables released recently, the Indian Army was held responsible for the ongoing deadlock with Pakistan over the Siachen dispute.

“On Siachen, Joint Secretary (Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran) T C A Raghavan (who has also served as the Indian Deputy High

Commissioner in Pakistan) reported that the Indian army has drawn a line with its political leadership. It has told the government of India that withdrawal was tantamount to ceding the area to Pakistan due to the difficulty of retaking it should Pakistan occupy it,” wrote the New Delhi embassy in September 2008.

Pakistani officials say India fears that reverting back to pre-1984 troops’ position in Siachen will set a wrong precedent and put pressure on it to resolve the festering dispute of Jammu and Kashmir.

An agreement on Siachen was almost reached in 1989 between then Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and her Indian counterpart Rajiv Gandhi.

However, it was widely believed that the final deal could not be sealed due to opposition by the Indian army.

The two sides again came close to striking an agreement on Siachen and Sir Creek during former president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf’s regime but political upheaval in Pakistan prevented the historic breakthrough.

Siachen dispute: Pakistani official blames India for collapse of talks – The Express Tribune
 
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Status quo is the best solution..be it Kashmir, Siachen or Sir Creek
 
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But a status quo means that both countries are spending tons of money in maintaining troops at an environmentally sensitive zone. I hope some pragmatism prevails in the next round of talks.

I support demilitarization of Siachen glacier on both sides with active satellite monitoring.
 
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However, the Indian side did not agree due to ‘pressure and intransigence of their Army,’ which was not willing to resolve the Siachen dispute to vacate the conflict zone and go back to previously held position, the official insisted.

Pressure from IA..my foot....With all due respect please remember this is India and Indian Army generals don't enjoy the same powers as their Pakistani counterparts...IA has made is clear to GOI....Demiltarize Siachen but after drawing the lines properly..Don't keep it vague...If PA did Kargil like operation there then it is virtually impossible to re-take them....

India wants Pakistan to authenticate the 110-km actual ground position line (AGPL) along the Siachen Glacier-Saltoro ridge in Jammu and Kashmir, while Islamabad insists reverting back to the pre-1984 position.
So how come Pak is being more flexible than India here????

According to the US confidential diplomatic cables released recently, the Indian Army was held responsible for the ongoing deadlock with Pakistan over the Siachen dispute.“On Siachen, Joint Secretary (Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran) T C A Raghavan (who has also served as the Indian Deputy High
Explained above... IA is just stating the ground reality...it is upto civilian leadership to decide and they are rightly not ignoring IA suggestions...

Commissioner in Pakistan) reported that the Indian army has drawn a line with its political leadership. It has told the government of India that withdrawal was tantamount to ceding the area to Pakistan due to the difficulty of retaking it should Pakistan occupy it,” wrote the New Delhi embassy in September 2008.
Exactly the point i stated above...

Pakistani officials say India fears that reverting back to pre-1984 troops’ position in Siachen will set a wrong precedent and put pressure on it to resolve the festering dispute of Jammu and Kashmir.
Now this piece is simply stupid assertion...

An agreement on Siachen was almost reached in 1989 between then Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and her Indian counterpart Rajiv Gandhi.However, it was widely believed that the final deal could not be sealed due to opposition by the Indian army.
Same as above...


The two sides again came close to striking an agreement on Siachen and Sir Creek during former president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf’s regime but political upheaval in Pakistan prevented the historic breakthrough.

Siachen dispute: Pakistani official blames India for collapse of talks – The Express Tribune

The demand was same even then....anyhow let's see how things unfold...
 
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But a status quo means that both countries are spending tons of money in maintaining troops at an environmentally sensitive zone. I hope some pragmatism prevails in the next round of talks.

I support demilitarization of Siachen glacier on both sides with active satellite monitoring.

The point is what the other party is bringing on to the table....What are my gains??? At this point the status quo is strongly in my favor...I would love to resolve the issue but what are my gains????

Siachen has lot of strategic importance now... especially after Chinese presence in P-O-K....So i am positive unless and until maps are redrawn Siachen will have troops presence from both sides
 
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