Should we accept Sweden into NATO?

[MastanKhan]

Turkey is acting like this at any given chance. Constantly reminding the world how they dispise the western countries they pretend to be allies with. Turkey is free to leave NATO aswell.

“The treaty stated that NATO members formed a unique community of values committed to the principles of individual liberty, democracy, human rights and the rule of law”

Lets prevent true democracies like Finland and Sweden joining our ranks..

Hi,

The afghans never did anything to your nation---so why did your military go to afghanistan and kill afghans.

 

[jamahir]

Nesrin Abdullah, who is executive responsible for the PKK's female militant structring, the Swedish parliamentarian who fought in the Iranian mountains with the PJAK terrorists in the past, and Swedish Minister Linde in the middle are in the same frame.

American senator John McCain in Syria illegally in 2015 standing with anti-Assad anti-progressive-Syria Al Qaeda and "Muslim" Brotherhood terrorists who are supported by the "M"B government of Erdogan. McCain most probably entered Syria illegally from Turkey just like how your genocidal intelligence and military enables thousands of AQ and "M"B to cross over into Syria from Turkey :

In 2015 in Ankara, capital of Turkey, there was a peace rally organized by progressive Turks to urge the Turkish military to make peace with the PKK. The rally was bombed :

The bombs appeared to target a "Labour, Peace and Democracy" rally organised by the Confederation of Progressive Trade Unions of Turkey (DİSK), the Union of Chambers of Turkish Engineers and Architects (TMMOB), the Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP), the Turkish Medical Association (TTB) and the Confederation of Public Workers' Unions (KESK). The peace march was held to protest against the growing conflict between the Turkish Armed Forces and the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK).

Critics have accused the AKP of trying to regain nationalist voters back from the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) by purposely ending the solution process and also trying to reduce turnout in the HDP electoral strongholds in the south-east by creating unrest there. Concern had been raised about whether an election could be securely conducted amid the violence in the region.

The explosions occurred shortly before a 'Labour, Peace and Democracy' rally supported by the Confederation of Progressive Trade Unions of Turkey (DİSK), the Union of Chambers of Turkish Engineers and Architects (TMMOB), the Turkish Medical Association (TTB) and the Confederation of Public Workers' Unions (KESK) was due to take place.[32] The rally was scheduled in Sıhhiye Square, the railways overpass bridge was the gathering area. It was reported that many attendants that were present in preparation for the rally were supporters of the Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP), with the rally area containing numerous HDP, Labour Party (EMEP) and Socialist Youth Associations Federation (SGDF) flags.

Bombings​

On 10 October 2015, the first bomb exploded at around 10:04 local time (EEST), while rally participants were singing an anthem commemorating the Bloody Sunday incident of 1969.[34] The second bomb exploded a few seconds later. It was also observed that the bombings were in close proximity of the National Intelligence Organisation (MİT) headquarters.[35] Shortly after the bombing, security forces cleared the area in case of a third and fourth bomb.[36]

Casualties​

On the day of the blasts, the initial death toll was reported as 86, along with 186 wounded.[32][37][38] Next day, the total number of deaths was announced as 97.[39][40][41] According to the prime minister's statement on 14 October, 99 people were killed in total.[42] The number increased in the following days, as people in the hospitals succumbed to their wounds, to 100[43] and to 102.[44]

The Turkish Medical Association (TTB) made independent claims, reporting that 97 died and over 400 people had been injured,[45] which they later updated to 105,[46] and 106.[47] International media speak of 109 deaths and 508 injured.[9]

The pro-Kurdish HDP party claimed the first day that the number of deaths was 128,[48] but after a few days retracted the statement and apologised for the misleading claim.

Immediate response​

Witnesses at the scene told the media that the police began using tear gas shortly after the bombs went off, while stopping ambulances from getting through. Angry people tried to attack police cars after the blast, with the HDP claiming that the police attacked people carrying the injured to safety.[56]

Shortly after the bombings, the Minister of Health Mehmet Müezzinoğlu, the Minister of the Interior Selami Altınok, and the Minister of Justice Kenan İpek visited the scene to carry out investigations. However, they were met by protestors who chanted anti-AKP slogans and were forced to leave the scene less than one minute after arriving.

So 102 Turks dead and 400+ injured, the people immediately chanting anti-AKP anti-Erdogan slogans. A Turk on FB at that time told me that Turks believe the bombing was arranged by Erdogan government, by Erdogan. So Erdogan government kills progressive Turks, those who want peace with the PKK, to end the war with PKK, but Erdogan wants to keep war with PKK alive other than supporting AQ and "M"B terrorists in Syria and you condemn a Swedish politician for standing with a former PKK fighter ?

You stood on a mountain with a gun and probably murdered a few PKK fighters on behalf of Erdogan and "M"B and you think you are great ? You think you are a revolutionary ? You are nothing in front of me. In fact you have participated in criminality so please repent. If you think you are brave then use your gun against your "M"B government which murdered and injured so many Turks in Ankara in 2015 in a peace rally. I don't need a gun to be contributing to society.

 

[MeFishToo]

Hi,

The afghans never did anything to your nation---so why did your military go to afghanistan and kill afghans.

Tell me how many afghans did my nation kill.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Hi,

The afghans never did anything to your nation---so why did your military go to afghanistan and kill afghans.

Afghanistan choose to ally with Al Qaeda.
Al Qaeda attacked an ally of Denmark.
The ally asked Denmark for help.
It is not difficult if you have your head screwed on correctly.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

NO
let me give you another reason
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That is of course total bullshit.
I bet there is no official study showing this.

 

[MastanKhan]

Afghanistan choose to ally with Al Qaeda.
Al Qaeda attacked an ally of Denmark.
The ally asked Denmark for help.
It is not difficult if you have your head screwed on correctly.

Hi,

You have been brainwashed. Afghanistan did not ally with al qaeda. Afghans never knew anything about al qaeda.

Christians of denmark got a chance to kill muslims and you availed it.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Hi,

You have been brainwashed. Afghanistan did not ally with al qaeda. Afghans never knew anything about al qaeda.

Christians of denmark got a chance to kill muslims and you availed it.

Read Musharrafs memoirs, where he and a Saudi prince is trying to convince Mullah Omar to deport the Al Qaeda operatives from their training camps inside Afghanistan.
Mullah Omar refused, and that violates the rules of neutrality and legally Afghanistan can then be treated as an ally of Al Qaeda.
When Al Qaeda attacks the US, the US can wage a legal war of self-defense against Al Qaeda and their allies.
All allies of the US can legally participate in the war.
That is what you get with incompetent leadership like Mullah Omar. He brought single-handedly the war upon Afghanistan through stupidity.

 

[MastanKhan]

Read Musharrafs memoirs, where he and a Saudi prince is trying to convince Mullah Omar to deport the Al Qaeda operatives from their training camps inside Afghanistan.
Mullah Omar refused, and that violates the rules of neutrality and legally Afghanistan can then be treated as an ally of Al Qaeda.
When Al Qaeda attacks the US, the US can wage a legal war of self-defense against Al Qaeda and their allies.
All allies of the US can legally participate in the war.
That is what you get with incompetent leadership like Mullah Omar. He brought single-handedly the war upon Afghanistan through stupidity.

Mullah Omar never refused. He asked for proof. The mighty US never provided that.

See---the US never needed sweden / noway / denmark military to murder muslims---the US military had enough soldiers to do that job---a.

Why would sweden send it troops to kill 50 afghans when the americans were killing them in thousands.

500 years from now---when afghanistan becomes a super power---and sweden is a nobody----the Slobodan Milosevic overcoming the moral values of the swedes?vic remedy could be called for by the afghans.

Was killing 50 afghans worth

 

[WotTen]

Sweden borrowed the concept of Ombudsman from Ottoman Turkey and then it spread throughout the Western world.

Today, Sweden [...] openly support terrorism in other countries and try to explain all this with so-called human rights and liberalism. They are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people in Turkey.

If other countries had the power, Sweden would be put in FATF black list for harboring terrorists. They could bomb those terrorists in Sweden and kill a few hundred civilians as 'collateral damage' then shrug it off.

Same applies to UK which protects terrorists who arranged hundreds of killings in Pakistan.

 

[925boy]

To be honest, Sweden joining NATO now doesnt matter. Why???? Well what difference would it make when we consider that NATO is divided and demotivated to enter military action for any reason other than "a member got attacked", which isnt worth that much today.

What state is this NATO that Sweden is trying to join in? - Well we know half of EU's rail ways cant handle military cargo, and half of the land vehicles in the German military arent in ready state, so when you combine both, in addition to other issues NATO faces, you realize that NATO cant actually enter or start solid military action properly today. Every NATO supporter on PDF and in these NATO countries will tell you again and again that they will really take action "if blah blah", but the problem with that is that its a beside-the-point from the fact that the main reason they dont enter military action is because they are very afraid deep down of loss of lives....even for the causes they so care about. US is also holding NATO hostage , and those non US NATO countries have agreed to that, those US troops in EU countries are now mainly there to reassure the country they reside in, so they are tied up, but arent actually fighting anything, and that drains the military readiness of US and NATO.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Mullah Omar never refused. He asked for proof. The mighty US never provided that.

See---the US never needed sweden / noway / denmark military to murder muslims---the US military had enough soldiers to do that job---a.

Why would sweden send it troops to kill 50 afghans when the americans were killing them in thousands.

500 years from now---when afghanistan becomes a super power---and sweden is a nobody----the Slobodan Milosevic overcoming the moral values of the swedes?vic remedy could be called for by the afghans.

Was killing 50 afghans worth

The negotiations with Musharraf was before 9/11. Afghanistan was already legally an Al Qaeda ally at that time.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Sweden borrowed the concept of Ombudsman from Ottoman Turkey and then it spread throughout the Western world.

The ombudsman concept has been around for a lot longer than that. It existed in Korea and Japan a thousand years earlier than Charles XII. The Ottomans has a minister which was responsible for grievances, Charles XII formalized and extended the concept, and that is why he is considered to be the originator of the ”Ombudsman”.

If other countries had the power, Sweden would be put in FATF black list for harboring terrorists. They could bomb those terrorists in Sweden and kill a few hundred civilians as 'collateral damage' then shrug it off.

Same applies to UK which protects terrorists who arranged hundreds of killings in Pakistan.

Sweden ”supports terrorists” by
* Ensuring availability of clean water in Syria
* Funding jails for ISIS terrorists
* Supporting schools
* Supporting education of women to allow them to start businesses
* Engacing security in refugee camps
* Support of women abused sexually.

Most of the funding goes through
* Unicef
* WHO
* UNHCR
* International Red Cross (ICRC)
* Norwegian Refugee Council (NRC)
* International Rescue Committee (IRC)
all known terrorist organisations, or?

The budget is for all of Syria, including both Kurd controlled as well as Turk controlled areas.

 

[WotTen]

The ombudsman concept has been around for a lot longer than that. It existed in Korea and Japan a thousand years earlier than Charles XII. The Ottomans has a minister which was responsible for grievances, Charles XII formalized and extended the concept, and that is why he is considered to be the originator of the ”Ombudsman”.

Swedish Embassy honors Ottoman idea of Ombudsman on 300th anniversary - World News

The Embassy of Sweden hosted senior officials from the Ombudsman of Turkey

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

“The Ombudsman institution is an idea that our King Charles XII picked up here in the Ottoman Empire, whilst visiting with the Sultan in 1713."

Sweden ”supports terrorists” by
* Ensuring availability of clean water in Syria
* Funding jails for ISIS terrorists
* Supporting schools
* Supporting education of women to allow them to start businesses
* Engacing security in refugee camps
* Support of women abused sexually.

Most of the funding goes through
* Unicef
* WHO
* UNHCR
* International Red Cross (ICRC)
* Norwegian Refugee Council (NRC)
* International Rescue Committee (IRC)
all known terrorist organisations, or?

The budget is for all of Syria, including both Kurd controlled as well as Turk controlled areas.

Sweden does a lot of good things but none of them negate the fact that they protect terrorists.

 

[Viet]

To be honest, Sweden joining NATO now doesnt matter. Why???? Well what difference would it make when we consider that NATO is divided and demotivated to enter military action for any reason other than "a member got attacked", which isnt worth that much today.

What state is this NATO that Sweden is trying to join in? - Well we know half of EU's rail ways cant handle military cargo, and half of the land vehicles in the German military arent in ready state, so when you combine both, in addition to other issues NATO faces, you realize that NATO cant actually enter or start solid military action properly today. Every NATO supporter on PDF and in these NATO countries will tell you again and again that they will really take action "if blah blah", but the problem with that is that its a beside-the-point from the fact that the main reason they dont enter military action is because they are very afraid deep down of loss of lives....even for the causes they so care about. US is also holding NATO hostage , and those non US NATO countries have agreed to that, those US troops in EU countries are now mainly there to reassure the country they reside in, so they are tied up, but arent actually fighting anything, and that drains the military readiness of US and NATO.

Just my 2 cents
If even the Swiss considers joining the NATO then something is wrong. Do you think the Swiss can load tanks on rail? Swiss is neutral since hundreds of years. Probably since when dinosaurs still alive.
Putin makes Russia to a country every man and woman in Europe are afraid of. A bunch of hooligans and rapists. No worthless propaganda can hide this fact.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Swedish Embassy honors Ottoman idea of Ombudsman on 300th anniversary - World News

The Embassy of Sweden hosted senior officials from the Ombudsman of Turkey

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

“The Ombudsman institution is an idea that our King Charles XII picked up here in the Ottoman Empire, whilst visiting with the Sultan in 1713."

The Ottomans had a minister which would handle grievances. it was not an Ottoman invention, and not a complete description of the organisation of Charles XII. The word Ombudsman can trace its roots in Nordic languages to at least the 11th century.

Sweden does a lot of good things but none of them negate the fact that they protect terrorists.

Turkey calls them terrorists, but has not been able to provide credible information why they should be extradited. When Turkey provides credible information, they are extradited.
That is how it is handled when courts are driven by law and not corruption.

So far, I have not seen any argumentation why the court decision in any of the cases is wrong.
As most cases where Turkey is denied is for journalists and the like, I doubt anyone can produce any example.