Should we accept Sweden into NATO?

[Foinikas]

It has a maritime border with Russia, opposite Kalinigrad, an area with 100,000 Russian troops and plenty of nuclear weapons.
The aerial violations of Swedish airspace by Russian planes are continuous, lately, in fact, Russian planes are carrying nuclear missiles.


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I was gonna mention the Air Space violations,but you said it.

Apparently,the Russians had been violating Swedish and Norwegian air space for decades.

We have great respect for Sweden's own national interests and national security, and we care about its geopolitical risks. We would also be pleased to be in the same military alliance as Sweden. The fact that Russia could turn its attention to north while we struggling against Russia in 3 different geographies will be an important widening in terms of our geopolitics too. However, the main criterion here is that both states had to be approaches in accordance with the spirit of alliance.

Come on,this whole thing is a chance for Erdogan to bargain for F-16s and whatever else he wants from the Americans.

 

[Akritas]

Apparently,the Russians had been violating Swedish and Norwegian air space for decades.

As the Turks violate the Greek national airspace.
They also have one thing in common with the Russians in terms of the escalation of violations: just as the Turks flew over Greek islands, so the Russians began to do the same on the Gotland island.

 

[dBSPL]

Come on,this whole thing is a chance for Erdogan to bargain for F-16s and whatever else he wants from the Americans.

Level-2

As the Turks violate the Greek national airspace.
They also have one thing in common with the Russians in terms of the escalation of violations: just as the Turks flew over Greek islands, so the Russians began to do the same on the Gotland island.

The fact that country X unilaterally increases its +4 miles airspace over its territorial waters and then fails to prevent its neighboring country from flying in international airspace is truly a unique Greek problem.

But if there is anything more original than that, it is that our Greek brothers sheding these tears even on the most irrelevant threads by spamming.

 

[Foinikas]

But if there is anything more original than that, it is that our Greek brothers sheding these tears even on the most irrelevant threads by spamming.

And Turkish "brothers" are looking for chances to talk bad about country X in sneaky threads here and there. So what's your point? You're nagging,we're nagging. Pakistanis nag about Indians,Indians nag about Pakistanis. Americans about Russians,Chinese about Americans,Manchester Liverpool,Arsenal about both of them.

 

[MeFishToo]

Let's say the members of the ISIS terrorist organization, after serving as a military, doctrinal or financial supporter under this organization for about 10 years, got up one morning and decided to name the organization ISWIS; In this case, can Sweden consider the fact that they gather supporters on the streets of Stockholm with Bin Laden posters as a freedom of expression, saying that the ISWIS organization is not on our terror list? Can these people raise money in Sweden under the name ISWIS and provide financial support to this new organization?

If the answer is yes, Sweden is a safe haven for global terrorism.

If the answer is no for some terrorist but yes some other terrorists, the Swedish state is a spineless state whose actions and principles are inconsistent with each other, and which ignores its own interests and has agreed to carry the baggage of others.

We have great respect for Sweden's own national interests and national security, and we care about its geopolitical risks. We would also be pleased to be in the same military alliance as Sweden. The fact that Russia could turn its attention to north while we struggling against Russia in 3 different geographies will be an important widening in terms of our geopolitics too. However, the main criterion here is that both states had to be approaches in accordance with the spirit of alliance.

Sweden like Finland, listed PKK as a terror group a long time ago. Turkey labelling anything kurdish “PKK” is Turkeys problem, not Swedens. Besides this, Erdogan is butt hurt because both countries, like many others, put a weapons ban on Turkey because of its military actions against the kurds in Syria.
Let me be honest with you. Turkey would not be able to fulfill the study of enlargement of NATO 1995:

countries seeking NATO membership would have to be able to demonstrate that they have fulfilled certain requirements. These include:

• a functioning democratic political system based on a market economy;
• the fair treatment of minority populations;
• a commitment to the peaceful resolution of conflicts;
• the ability and willingness to make a military contribution to NATO operations; and
• a commitment to democratic civil-military relations and institutional structures.

Sweden and Finland have no problem fulfilling the requirements. The least democratic and most authoritarian nation in NATO is once again reminding the rest of us, that Turkish interests doesnt align with NATO interests. Maybe its time to separate, and let Erdogan go kiss the russian pinky ring.

 

[MastanKhan]

USA was attacked and invoked tge NATO defense article which made it obligatory for all to help.

Hi,

Obligatory---B S---. You guys were cowards----you just chickened out bowed your head down.

The US intentionally ley OBL escape mutliple times and you joined in the murder of innocent afghan children women and non participants without any remorse or show of conscience---only because you got to kill muslims---as many as you wanted to---without any repurcussions.

 

[Akritas]

Level-2


The fact that country X unilaterally increases its +4 miles airspace over its territorial waters and then fails to prevent its neighboring country from flying in international airspace is truly a unique Greek problem.

But if there is anything more original than that, it is that our Greek brothers sheding these tears even on the most irrelevant threads by spamming.

We are not just talking about airspace, but about overflights on national territory, ie an island. What to do, you have a common course in air violations.

 

[retaxis]

Dude i think you bring up your moralizing bullshit on the wrong one. I would have nuked the entire country from orbit.

sit back down kid your mummy let you post this late at night? Go play a video game or get a girlfriend. teenagers like you will only end up an incel in the future

 

[Foinikas]

Turkey labelling anything kurdish “PKK” is Turkeys problem, not Swedens.

That's true. Everything Erdogan doesn't like is "FETO" or "PKK".

 

[Apollon]

sit back down kid your mummy let you post this late at night? Go play a video game or get a girlfriend. teenagers like you will only end up an incel in the future

I already have a girlfriend.

As for the rest, im for good and lasting solutions on enemies. In general i have not much sympathy for developing or 3rd world countries.

 

[MastanKhan]

USA was attacked and invoked tge NATO defense article which made it obligatory for all to help.

Hi,

Obligatory---B S---. You guys were cowards----you just chickened out bowed your head down.

The US intentionally ley OBL escape mutliple times and you joined in the murder of innocent afghan children women and non participants without any remorse or show of conscience---only because you got to kill muslims---as many as you wanted to---without any repurcussions.

Dude i think you bring up your moralizing bullshit on the wrong one. I would have nuked the entire country from orbit.

Hi,

Poor baby---no nucs for your country for ever.

 

[Foinikas]

Poor baby---no nucs for your country for ever.

He's in Germany.

 

[MastanKhan]

He's in Germany.

Hi,

Thanks. I knew that.

 

[Apollon]

Hi,

Obligatory---B S---. You guys were cowards----you just chickened out bowed your head down.

The US intentionally ley OBL escape mutliple times and you joined in the murder of innocent afghan children women and non participants without any remorse or show of conscience---only because you got to kill muslims---as many as you wanted to---without any repurcussions.


Hi,

Poor baby---no nucs for your country for ever.

We have 45 nukes here in Büchel.


As i said before im against any form of intervention with poor countries. No help, no aid. As long they pose no threat ignore them. If they pose a threat, destroy them.

 

[Mzizblz]

You polluted this thread and wrote that entire irrelevant post just for the bolded part. Your Hindutva fanatical ancestors wiped out Buddhism from its birthplace in India. Why not add that to your list?

Both are our religions, what you have to do with it ?