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Should we accept Sweden into NATO?

Should we accept Sweden into NATO?

  • YES - Sweden should gain the trust of other member countries of the union with the steps it will tak

    Votes: 26 44.1%
  • NO - If Sweden is to continue supporting terrorism, it must get along with Russia

    Votes: 35 59.3%

  • Total voters
    59
"We will stand together against all security threats we face, both from Russia and terrorism."




@Kedikesenfare2

Meanwhile, Swedish parliamentarian Amineh Kakabaveh, a former member of an armed terrorist organization; has turned her position into a tool of blackmail by not supporting the additional budget proposals proposed separately by the government and opposition parties. Most recently, she was blame Linde, with baseless and rude, diplomatically unconventional tone, only because of the tripartite memorandum.

This parliamentarian does not have a problem called Sweden.

Right-wing parties in the Swedish parliament submitted a no-confidence motion against the Minister of Justice and Interior, Morgan Johansson, on June 2, due to the inability to prevent the increased armed conflicts of the gangs* in recent years. Johansson was able to stay in office with the last minute vote of Kakabaveh in the session held on 7 June. Before the vote, Kakabaveh changed his mind 3 times in 5 days and announced and after negatiations she would support the government.

Now she is crying for interrogation against the government.

*(The relevance of these gangs, with the so-called Kurdish freedom fighters, and essentially KCK members, the armed terrorist organization's urban structures, is another matter of discussion. Bcs, the Swedish media also claimed that Kakabaveh changed her mind with the last minute order of Ilham Ahmed, one of the leaders of the YPG / PKK using the name "SDG", and took her side with Johansson.)
 
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Linde, Swedish foreign minister:

"We signed a memorandum of understanding between Finland, Sweden and Turkiye (Ms. Linde learned the correct pronunciation) to address Ankara's concerns about security and terrorism."

"We will honor this agreement that we have signed by fulfilling our part of the requirements of this agreement."

"We hope that the Turkish parliament will also approve this agreement."

When Sweden takes one step, Turkiye will take two steps.
 
Linde, Swedish foreign minister:

"We signed a memorandum of understanding between Finland, Sweden and Turkiye (Ms. Linde learned the correct pronunciation) to address Ankara's concerns about security and terrorism."

"We will honor this agreement that we have signed by fulfilling our part of the requirements of this agreement."

"We hope that the Turkish parliament will also approve this agreement."

When Sweden takes one step, Turkiye will take two steps.
What really baffles me is that Swedish politicians thought that signing a piece of paper would solve the issue. How dumb do they think we are?
 
Sweden is the country that fears Russia the most. We are talking about a country that built around 40,000 bunkers during the Cold War, mostly because of fear of nuclear attack. This fear is now driving them into the despair of joining NATO. However, they tries to fend off the just demands by trying to develop stupid political discourse, never wanna face their own mistakes and still trying keeping their tail up.

Today, we have read many things accusing and insulting Turkey on Swedish social media and mainstream media, even from representatives of small left parties.

Sweden tries to explain its political interests and irresponsible arrogance with so-called human rights advocacy and liberalism; they accuse us of being an anti-democratic dictatorship. They even try to market Turkey as a pro-Russian, Eurasian, and bigotary country against the european values.

We will get into some details in this thread and I will ask just one question, which writin on title.

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But first, I would like to make a few reminders to some circles who do not hesitate to slander Turkish values and culture:

How many people know that the basis of Sweden's legendary social welfare state system was a disastrous decades-long campaign of ethnic cleansing. More than 60,000 people in Sweden were victims of a Nazi-style forced sterilization campaign just because their type didn't resemble the Nordic race.

What is the name of sterilizing and extinction of non-purebreds in order to create an 'ideal' society? What kind of thoughts were behind the Institute of Racial Biology, which was established in Sweden in 1921 for the first time in the world, printing posters saying "Ideal northern type"? They explained that the policy followed at that time was to prevent the proliferation of unsuitable generations in order to establish an ideal society. Moreover, among those who support this view, the Nobel Prize-winning social democratic thinker Prof. Gunnar Myrdal and his wife, Nobel Peace Prize winner Alva Myrdal, were also present.


The signature under the circulars sent to the authorities for the measurement of skulls was Tage Erlander, the legendary leader of the Swedish social democrats. In your history books, schoolbooks and encyclopedias, neither how 100,000 people were sterilized written nor the "State Institute of Racial Biology" was written, which was established in Uppsala in 1921, and later Nazi Germany took as an example. European historiography is purely political, lacking in objectivity, and, like Rome writing Carthage, a triumphal quackery.

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Years and years later; Historian Gunnar Broberg's book and Polish journalist Maciej Zaremba's research published in the Dagen Nyheter newspaper dated 19-20 August 1997 revealed Sweden nazism and ethnic cleansing methods.

Nordic countries followed the same line as Sweden. Between 1935 and 1976, approximately 50,000 people in Norway and 6,000 people in Denmark were sterilized. Although it is written that sterilization is optional in the law, it has been seen that repression is used in practice.

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In 1942, a circular was signed by Tage Erlander to make a census of all gypsies and the mobile workers called "Tattare". Prior to this, a report called the 'non pure race' was prepared about the Tattares in 1937.

Although the opinion that the Tattares could be assimilated gained weight in the evaluation made after the report, the sterilization policy was preferred, and a census and search was started for all their people one by one, because of the fear of the emergence of bad habits in future generations.

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When the skull measurements were completed in 1945, it was revealed that the Tattares were Swedish, but the General Directorate of Social Services did not accept this result. After 1950, when UNESCO opposed the use of the concept of race in a racist sense, the Tattares were called "counter race".

And a large number of Tattares were neutered. According to Maija Runcis, who is a doctoral researcher on sterilization policy, since the law only allows voluntary sterilization, the authorities issued a phony report for the victims chosen by the authorities as "mentally unstable".

Documents available show that 95 percent of those sterilized are women. Those who were admitted to the school for the handicapped were also threatened with the worst conditions throughout their lives if they did not agree to be sterilized at the end of school.

The increase in sterilization in the 1940s was partly due to the fact that child assistance would be introduced in accordance with the principles of the welfare state in the following years. Gunnar Myrdal, who wanted to point out that those who do not contribute to the welfare society should not benefit from the assistances, warned that “Child aid may lead to an increase in those with bad hereditary characteristics” at that time.

A record was broken with 2264 sterilization operations in 1948, when child aid began, because people with undesirable characteristics were feared to give birth incessantly to benefit from child assistance. The sterilization operations based on the logic of 'Let the undeserving perish' actually lasted until the mid-1960s.

The eugenics, which began quietly in 1935, was quietly ended in 1976 when the law was repealed. The sterilization policy was tried to be explained by the "breeding" winds that blew all over the world in the 1930s, but research shows that this is not so.

Although purging of incompetent society was discussed in many European states, few states practiced it. And these policies were led by Sweden and Norway.

The real shocking truth: While sterilization was applied only for the mentally ill and during the Nazi era in Germany, in the northern countries under the hegemony of the social democrats, people who were seen as a hindrance in the establishment of the welfare state were chosen as victims. They built their society on a terrible form of racism.

The fact that sterilization laws were passed unanimously in the Swedish parliament, and the church allowed it, is also a point to consider. Lifting the veil over recent history has also revealed the hypocrisy of politicians.

In 1997, the Minister of Social Security, Margot Wallström, stated that she was deeply saddened by the events and would take the matter to the government for compensation, after the incident had a wide repercussions and a woman who was one of the victims of the sterilization policy announced that her application to the government for compensation was rejected.

At the bottom of the letter sent to the woman was this minister's signature and stated that compensation would not be paid as the practice was done in accordance with the law.

(I would like to thank journalist Mithat Alaban for his article and photos they share which used as a source, this part of post.)

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Today, Sweden still continues to ignore other people's lives for its own interests, openly support terrorism in other countries and try to explain all this with so-called human rights and liberalism. They are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people in Turkey.


Here is a brief summary of the current situation from another thread:





The real question is: Should we take Sweden, which has such a fascist and racist past, into NATO? Or should we not? Or is it worth sacrificing our Turkish soldiers, our Mehmetçik, to protect Sweden and their welfare?

Sweden has 65,000 bunkers.​

 
Sweden is the country that fears Russia the most. We are talking about a country that built around 40,000 bunkers during the Cold War, mostly because of fear of nuclear attack. This fear is now driving them into the despair of joining NATO. However, they tries to fend off the just demands by trying to develop stupid political discourse, never wanna face their own mistakes and still trying keeping their tail up.

Today, we have read many things accusing and insulting Turkey on Swedish social media and mainstream media, even from representatives of small left parties.

Sweden tries to explain its political interests and irresponsible arrogance with so-called human rights advocacy and liberalism; they accuse us of being an anti-democratic dictatorship. They even try to market Turkey as a pro-Russian, Eurasian, and bigotary country against the european values.

We will get into some details in this thread and I will ask just one question, which writin on title.

*

But first, I would like to make a few reminders to some circles who do not hesitate to slander Turkish values and culture:

How many people know that the basis of Sweden's legendary social welfare state system was a disastrous decades-long campaign of ethnic cleansing. More than 60,000 people in Sweden were victims of a Nazi-style forced sterilization campaign just because their type didn't resemble the Nordic race.

What is the name of sterilizing and extinction of non-purebreds in order to create an 'ideal' society? What kind of thoughts were behind the Institute of Racial Biology, which was established in Sweden in 1921 for the first time in the world, printing posters saying "Ideal northern type"? They explained that the policy followed at that time was to prevent the proliferation of unsuitable generations in order to establish an ideal society. Moreover, among those who support this view, the Nobel Prize-winning social democratic thinker Prof. Gunnar Myrdal and his wife, Nobel Peace Prize winner Alva Myrdal, were also present.


The signature under the circulars sent to the authorities for the measurement of skulls was Tage Erlander, the legendary leader of the Swedish social democrats. In your history books, schoolbooks and encyclopedias, neither how 100,000 people were sterilized written nor the "State Institute of Racial Biology" was written, which was established in Uppsala in 1921, and later Nazi Germany took as an example. European historiography is purely political, lacking in objectivity, and, like Rome writing Carthage, a triumphal quackery.

FSvMxT_WYAEUDhl


Years and years later; Historian Gunnar Broberg's book and Polish journalist Maciej Zaremba's research published in the Dagen Nyheter newspaper dated 19-20 August 1997 revealed Sweden nazism and ethnic cleansing methods.

Nordic countries followed the same line as Sweden. Between 1935 and 1976, approximately 50,000 people in Norway and 6,000 people in Denmark were sterilized. Although it is written that sterilization is optional in the law, it has been seen that repression is used in practice.

FSvNR9oWUAQJTnZ


In 1942, a circular was signed by Tage Erlander to make a census of all gypsies and the mobile workers called "Tattare". Prior to this, a report called the 'non pure race' was prepared about the Tattares in 1937.

Although the opinion that the Tattares could be assimilated gained weight in the evaluation made after the report, the sterilization policy was preferred, and a census and search was started for all their people one by one, because of the fear of the emergence of bad habits in future generations.

FSvNc1BXsAIbqDy

FSvQChgXEAI_Evl


When the skull measurements were completed in 1945, it was revealed that the Tattares were Swedish, but the General Directorate of Social Services did not accept this result. After 1950, when UNESCO opposed the use of the concept of race in a racist sense, the Tattares were called "counter race".

And a large number of Tattares were neutered. According to Maija Runcis, who is a doctoral researcher on sterilization policy, since the law only allows voluntary sterilization, the authorities issued a phony report for the victims chosen by the authorities as "mentally unstable".

Documents available show that 95 percent of those sterilized are women. Those who were admitted to the school for the handicapped were also threatened with the worst conditions throughout their lives if they did not agree to be sterilized at the end of school.

The increase in sterilization in the 1940s was partly due to the fact that child assistance would be introduced in accordance with the principles of the welfare state in the following years. Gunnar Myrdal, who wanted to point out that those who do not contribute to the welfare society should not benefit from the assistances, warned that “Child aid may lead to an increase in those with bad hereditary characteristics” at that time.

A record was broken with 2264 sterilization operations in 1948, when child aid began, because people with undesirable characteristics were feared to give birth incessantly to benefit from child assistance. The sterilization operations based on the logic of 'Let the undeserving perish' actually lasted until the mid-1960s.

The eugenics, which began quietly in 1935, was quietly ended in 1976 when the law was repealed. The sterilization policy was tried to be explained by the "breeding" winds that blew all over the world in the 1930s, but research shows that this is not so.

Although purging of incompetent society was discussed in many European states, few states practiced it. And these policies were led by Sweden and Norway.

The real shocking truth: While sterilization was applied only for the mentally ill and during the Nazi era in Germany, in the northern countries under the hegemony of the social democrats, people who were seen as a hindrance in the establishment of the welfare state were chosen as victims. They built their society on a terrible form of racism.

The fact that sterilization laws were passed unanimously in the Swedish parliament, and the church allowed it, is also a point to consider. Lifting the veil over recent history has also revealed the hypocrisy of politicians.

In 1997, the Minister of Social Security, Margot Wallström, stated that she was deeply saddened by the events and would take the matter to the government for compensation, after the incident had a wide repercussions and a woman who was one of the victims of the sterilization policy announced that her application to the government for compensation was rejected.

At the bottom of the letter sent to the woman was this minister's signature and stated that compensation would not be paid as the practice was done in accordance with the law.

(I would like to thank journalist Mithat Alaban for his article and photos they share which used as a source, this part of post.)

***

Today, Sweden still continues to ignore other people's lives for its own interests, openly support terrorism in other countries and try to explain all this with so-called human rights and liberalism. They are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people in Turkey.


Here is a brief summary of the current situation from another thread:





The real question is: Should we take Sweden, which has such a fascist and racist past, into NATO? Or should we not? Or is it worth sacrificing our Turkish soldiers, our Mehmetçik, to protect Sweden and their welfare?
Given the circumstances, if you will not accept Sweden into nato, then Russia will accept Sweden as an state.
 
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Meanwhile, Swedish parliamentarian Amineh Kakabaveh, a former member of an armed terrorist organization;
Since when is Turkey interested in a non-Turkish citizeship woman?
Has Turkey promised to Iran any extradition?
 
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Since when is Turkey interested in a non-Turkish citizeship woman?
Has Turkey promised to Iran any extradition?
Terrorist head Abdullah Öcalan also had a Greek passport. It was Greek intelligence that protected him because he could not find shelter in Europe and eventually took him to Kenya on February 2, 1999. He was brought to the Greek Consulate in Nairobi by a private plane. On February 15, 1999, as a result of diplomatic pressure, he was removed from the consulate and was caught in an operation, when being taken to Nairobi Airport. Then brought to Ankara.

This 'Cypriot-Greek' citizen is now in Imrali prison.
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The Swedish MP's problem does not concern us. Sweden's own problem. However, this does not necessitate disregarding her background in which she was trained in camps of armed terrorist organizations.
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Terrorist head Abdullah Öcalan also had a Greek passport. It was Greek intelligence that protected him because he could not find shelter in Europe and eventually took him to Kenya on February 2, 1999.

This 'Cypriot-Greek' citizen is now in Imrali prison.
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The Swedish MP's problem does not concern us. Sweden's own problem. However, this does not necessitate disregarding her background in which she was trained in camps of armed terrorist organizations.
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Because as usual you avoid answering, while at the same time you also put other issues that do not concern Sweden, so the Swedish parliamentarian, she is of Kurdish origin from Iran, participated in her youth, 13-15 years old in Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan.
As is known this party hasn't included in the terrorist organizations at the EU.
 
Because as usual you avoid answering, while at the same time you also put other issues that do not concern Sweden, so the Swedish parliamentarian, she is of Kurdish origin from Iran, participated in her youth, 13-15 years old in Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan.
As is known this party hasn't included in the terrorist organizations at the EU.
Our main request from Sweden is that the Swedish judiciary stop adjourning these files and make a decision about the 73 terrorists whose names are written one by one and whose forensic records and criminal evidences we have sent. Other subject headings are also written in the memorandum. We want to see goodwill. Instead of asking me to write them over and over on every page, you can take some time to read.

If you have not any handicap of understanding , it's clear what I wrote above. She is someone whose agenda is not Sweden, but the protection of terrorist organizations, and it is not our problem. It is Sweden's problem. She is currently busy sabotaging parliamentary activities in there. Just because Sweden signed the memorandum with TR. I would wonder if this woman could blackmail in the same way when the arithmetic of the Swedish parliament changes in the next election; it's just a matter of personal interest.

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About your komala friends; PJAK is a terrorist organization for us. Its organic link with the KCK is based on evidence. The direct connection of the PKK, YPG, HBS and other armed sub-wings under the KCK umbrella organization has been expressed by the US general staff, even in the US Senate.

Now, it is political hypocrisy to see some of them as terrorist organizations but to separate some parts that can be used as proxy forces, and we cannot support this.

In addition, claiming that X terrorist organization's executives and military staff are leaved old company, and open a clean page by changing its branding; are required either intelligence of a 7-year-old, or a western type of opportunism.

If this forum gives you a space to express your thoughts, mine shouldn't bother you either.
 
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About your komala friends; PJAK is a terrorist organization for us. Its organic link with the KCK is based on evidence. The direct connection of the PKK, YPG, HBS and other armed sub-wings under the KCK umbrella organization has been expressed by the US general staff, even in the US Senate.
Just because Erdogan's Turkey has labeled everyone a terrorist doesn't mean the rest of the world has too. In a democratic country, there is an independent judiciary, and that will judge the evidence. Luckily Sweden is famous for that. If you change it, it also means the end of Liberal Democratic Europe.
And not to be outdone, Komala does not belong to the terrorist organizations as recognized by the EU.

 
Terrorist head Abdullah Öcalan also had a Greek passport. It was Greek intelligence that protected him because he could not find shelter in Europe and eventually took him to Kenya on February 2, 1999. He was brought to the Greek Consulate in Nairobi by a private plane. On February 15, 1999, as a result of diplomatic pressure, he was removed from the consulate and was caught in an operation, when being taken to Nairobi Airport. Then brought to Ankara.

This 'Cypriot-Greek' citizen is now in Imrali prison
I have a book about this. If I remember correctly,it was a big issue because the Russians wouldn't give him asylum anymore,he was getting kicked from various countries who used to protect him and ended up in our Embassy in Kenya with the fiasco. But Oçalan was considered a freedom fighter leader in many countries,just like other rebels elsewhere. I can't say what he was really,I'm not a communist.
 
I have a book about this. If I remember correctly,it was a big issue because the Russians wouldn't give him asylum anymore,he was getting kicked from various countries who used to protect him and ended up in our Embassy in Kenya with the fiasco. But Oçalan was considered a freedom fighter leader in many countries,just like other rebels elsewhere. I can't say what he was really,I'm not a communist.
Arrested with the CIA help.

 
Just because Erdogan's Turkey has labeled everyone a terrorist doesn't mean the rest of the world has too. In a democratic country, there is an independent judiciary, and that will judge the evidence. Luckily Sweden is famous for that. If you change it, it also means the end of Liberal Democratic Europe.
And not to be outdone, Komala does not belong to the terrorist organizations as recognized by the EU.

Lol. You are so retarded that you even try to match this with erdogan.

This is the same level of awareness as the idiots who say that al-Qaeda is a terrorist organization but cannot qualify a sub-branch in Africa as a terrorist organization. So you are simply a supporter of terrorism. How you deceive your conscience is none of my business.

PKK is a bloody narco terrorist organization. To think that some of former executive member can get rid of their past in return for being an US proxy and cannon fodder, is just to taking shape by the US' global propaganda and and post-truth machine.

If you can get your head out of this propaganda, try researching which terrorist organization; the senior executives of the terrorist organizations you mentioned and the so-called commanders of their military wings were members of in the 1990s, and which massacres they were involved in.

From your approach to Turkiye and the prejudice you show, your purpose of being here is clear, so I can't wait for you to confess something here. But maybe this research will open your mind a little bit.

While even the U.S. Senate is quite aware of some things, I advise you not to be such a doggie to your master.

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I have a book about this. If I remember correctly,it was a big issue because the Russians wouldn't give him asylum anymore,he was getting kicked from various countries who used to protect him and ended up in our Embassy in Kenya with the fiasco. But Oçalan was considered a freedom fighter leader in many countries,just like other rebels elsewhere. I can't say what he was really,I'm not a communist.

This terrorist was denied entry to Russia, my friend. Russia does not do the dirty work itself, it uses tongs. We cannot ignore Russia's support for the PKK. In fact, one of the reasons why Hafez Assad was protected Ocalan with special guards and inteligance directly by his nephew was the shadow of Russia.

However, the biggest supporter of this terrorist ringleader in his struggle to seek protection in Europe was the Greek intelligence, and he traveled with the journalist passport that Greece provided. He had a Greek Cypriot passport when he was captured.

And I don't know if you know the 'real' Lazaros Mavros was demonstrated in a Greek Cypriot military exercise recently. Empathize for one moment and admit to yourself how it makes you feel. What was the meaning of this message?

There were good days and bad days between Greece and Turkiye. But the attempt to protect Öcalan was really at a different point. It was such an unethical act that, as Akritias puts it, USA had to block the protection by the Greek intelligence in Nairobi in order to prevent the great tension between Greece and Turkiye, where it was uncertain how could evolve at that time. I just presume, if CIA did not intervened, our special forces would probably have clashed in Kenya.
 
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Sweden handed over 4 more terrorists to Turkiye. The claim belongs to Swedish parliamentarian Kakabaveh.
 
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