Should we accept Sweden into NATO?

[That Guy]

They wanted the Kurds as a potential "ally" just in case of a war with Turkey,I think.

That's why after he was kicked from all friendly countries,like you said,they tried to protect him. That was a big fiasco those days and a minister resigned.

But again,they probably wanted him as a connection,just in case of a big war with Turkey,supposedly the Kurds could have opened a second front in the East or whatever. Remember,it was 3 years after Imia.

But these were different times as well. Syria was intact,Iraq was still not under U.S. occupation,Russia was weak.

I mean, that part is still the same.

 

[MMM-E]

Erdogan seems to surrender.
What a joke.
Turkey will NEVER enter in EU.

ERDOGAN can not allow or block Sweden's NATO membership
but Turkish Parliament can allow or block Sweden's NATO membership

I remind everyone in 2003 , ERDOGAN supported USA
but Turkish Parliament blocked USA's 60.000 troop deployment from Turkiye to attack Iraq and USA was shocked

Sweden’s NATO accession protocol should be allowed by the Turkish Parliament



btw Turkiye-Turkish States Kazakhstan , Azerbaijan , Turkmenistan , Uzbekhstan , Kyrgyzstan have tens of trillions of Dollars of oil , gas , uranium , thorium , boron , gold and rare-earth element

and the EU has nothing
Germany-France dont have strategic brain to draw Turkiye and Turkic States to the EU side to become real world power from the ocean shores of Europe to China


The Organization of Turkic States

 

[Foinikas]

btw Turkiye-Turkish States Kazakhstan , Azerbaijan , Turkmenistan , Uzbekhstan , Kyrgyzstan have tens of trillions of Dollars of oil , gas , uranium , thorium , boron , gold and rare-earth element

and the EU has nothing
Germany-France dont have strategic brain to draw Turkiye and Turkic States to the EU side to become real world power from the ocean shores of Europe to China

And yet,it's Kazakhstan,Turkmenistan,Uzbekistan,Kyrgyzstan that live like third world countries

I mean, that part is still the same.

Not as much as back then,but not as strong as we all thought it would be before the war with Ukraine

 

[MMM-E]

And yet,it's Kazakhstan,Turkmenistan,Uzbekistan,Kyrgyzstan that live like third world countries

Nahhh ...
Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan becomes The UAE of Central Asia year by year

Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Astana - Kazakhstan

Thanks to great gas/oil reserves
Turkmenistan has the world’s 4th largest gas reserves ... ( $60 trillion )
Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan also have trillions of dollars of oil and Gas reserves


only Kyrgyzstan is poor because Kyrgyzstan doesnt have oil-gas reserves



The European Union now aims to achieve energy independence from Russia by 2030

Turkmenistan,Kazakhstan,Azerbaijan and Turkiye's EZZ in the Eastern Mediterranean gas reserves would seem to be a possible supplier to Europe

Europe’s Wait for Turkmen Natural Gas Continues - Foreign Policy Research Institute

In response to the Kremlin’s war on Ukraine, the European Union is moving to wean itself off Russian natural gas. While the move makes sound geopolitical

www.fpri.org

 

[Foinikas]

Nahhh ...
Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan becomes The UAE of Central Asia year by year

Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Astana - Kazakhstan

Thanks to great gas/oil reserves
Turkmenistan has the world’s 4th largest gas reserves ... ( $60 trillion )
Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan also have trillions of dollars of oil and Gas reserves


only Kyrgyzstan is poor because Kyrgyzstan doesnt have oil-gas reserves



The European Union now aims to achieve energy independence from Russia by 2030

Turkmenistan,Kazakhstan,Azerbaijan and Turkiye's EZZ in the Eastern Mediterranean gas reserves would seem to be a possible supplier to Europe

Europe’s Wait for Turkmen Natural Gas Continues - Foreign Policy Research Institute

In response to the Kremlin’s war on Ukraine, the European Union is moving to wean itself off Russian natural gas. While the move makes sound geopolitical

www.fpri.org

You still live in a fantasy world. You see the buildings and the reserves and you think the countries are developed and the people live as richly as Gulf Arabs. They don't have the same standard of living as Europeans. They don't have the same level of education,healthcare,rights,entertainment and opportunities.


What's Turkiye's supposed "EEZ in the Mediterranean"? Because the EU recognizes the known EEZ that has existed for more than half a century and started to be disputed actively after the mid-2010s with Erdogan.

Having big oil or gas reserves,because you mentioned Uzbekistan,Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan,doesn't matter if you don't have the means to properly extract big amounts to export and especially when you don't know how to properly develop your own country,like the Gulf Arabs did for example.

Venezuela currently has the world's largest proven oil reserves and yet,because of the sanctions and extremely bad policies of the leftist governments the last 30 years,it's become one of the poorest in Latin America.

 

[MMM-E]

You still live in a fantasy world. You see the buildings and the reserves and you think the countries are developed and the people live as richly as Gulf Arabs. They don't have the same standard of living as Europeans. They don't have the same level of education,healthcare,rights,entertainment and opportunities.

Not me but you still live in a fantasy world

Without German-French money useless 3rd world countries Greece,Bulgaria,Romania,Portugal,Chezh Rep, Baltic States,Slovakia,Slovenia would be similar to Kyrgyzstan


have you ever been in Asghabat , Baku , Astana or Almaty ?
I have been there since 1999 and I saw the amazing development with my eyes year by year

Kazakstan , Turkmenistan , Azerbaijan were founded in 1992
( just 31 year) young countries ....

still Kazakstan , Turkmenistan , Azerbaijan have high Human development index

for example Kazakhstan : HDI index is 811 ( very high )




and Kazakstan , Turkmenistan , Azerbaijan becomes The UAE year by year
Thanks to trillions of dollars of oil-gas reserves
Kazakstan , Turkmenistan , Azerbaijan have brilliant future

Then & Now: Dubai’s Incredible 40-Year Transformation​

Venezuela currently has the world's largest proven oil reserves and yet,because of the sanctions and extremely bad policies of the leftist governments the last 30 years,it's become one of the poorest in Latin America.

Turkic States are not Venezuela ...
American-British energy companies are working in Azerbaijan , Turkmenistan , Kazakhstan


Turkiye , Azerbaijan , Turkmenistan , Kazakhstan are the last hope for the EU to achieve energy independence from Russia

 

[Foinikas]

Not me but you still live in a fantasy world

Without German-French money useless 3rd world countries Greece,Bulgaria,Romania,Portugal,Chezh Rep, Baltic States,Slovakia,Slovenia would be similar to Kyrgyzstan

Other people here can explain to you as well,why you're wrong and think too much of statistics and theoretical progress.

Would you listen to them instead? Or will you be your usual self and have no conversation?

have you ever been in Asghabat , Baku , Astana or Almaty ?
I have been there since 1999 and I saw the amazing development with my eyes year by year

I know the money spent on them,but I also know the cities nor the countries are anything like what you describe.

Building fancy stuff,while having a corrupt(or in the case of Turkmenistan,insane)oligarchy ruling,doesn't exactly help in the development of the entire country and the people.

Thanks to trillions of dollars of oil-gas reserves

Trillions? *sigh* Bro,how old are you?

 

[MMM-E]

Other people here can explain to you as well,why you're wrong and think too much of statistics and theoretical progress.

Its reality
useless 3rd world countries Greece,Bulgaria,Romania,Portugal,Chezh Rep, Baltic States,Slovakia,Slovenia were so poor before the EU membership

now Thanks to The EU membership ( German-French-Italian ) money


on the other hand
Azerbaijan , Turkmenistan , Kazakhstan are alone .... and they have developed their own countries by their oil-gas reserves in a short time

Trillions? *sigh* Bro,how old are you?

Yes trillions of dollars of gas-oil reserves

Turkmenistan has the world’s 4th largest gas reserves
Azerbaijan has $2,5 trillion of gas-oil reserves
Kazakhstan has over $2 trillion of gas-oil reserves

Building fancy stuff,while having a corrupt(or in the case of Turkmenistan,insane)oligarchy ruling,doesn't exactly help in the development of the entire country and the people.

TURKMENISTAN has brilliant future
almost everything is free in Turkmenistan
and in the next 20 years Turkmenistan to become one of richest countries in the world as Qatar and The EU

Thanks to $60 trillion of gas-oil reserves
and even only Turkmenistan has enough gas to somewhat offset the loss of Russian gas to the European Union

better worry about your bankrupt Greece

 

[Foinikas]

useless 3rd world countries Greece,Bulgaria,Romania,Portugal,Chezh Rep, Baltic States,Slovakia,Slovenia were so poor before the EU membership

Umm...these "useless third world countries" have a better standard of living for their people than Azerbaijan,Kazakhstan,Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan. And in many cases,even compared to the average Turkish citizen.

 

[retaxis]

You still live in a fantasy world. You see the buildings and the reserves and you think the countries are developed and the people live as richly as Gulf Arabs. They don't have the same standard of living as Europeans. They don't have the same level of education,healthcare,rights,entertainment and opportunities.


What's Turkiye's supposed "EEZ in the Mediterranean"? Because the EU recognizes the known EEZ that has existed for more than half a century and started to be disputed actively after the mid-2010s with Erdogan.

Having big oil or gas reserves,because you mentioned Uzbekistan,Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan,doesn't matter if you don't have the means to properly extract big amounts to export and especially when you don't know how to properly develop your own country,like the Gulf Arabs did for example.

Venezuela currently has the world's largest proven oil reserves and yet,because of the sanctions and extremely bad policies of the leftist governments the last 30 years,it's become one of the poorest in Latin America.

Central Asia is under influence and military treaty of Russia first and China second. Turkey has no influence there.

Turkey doesn't even share a border with Central Asia

 

[Foinikas]

Turkmenistan has the world’s 4th largest gas reserves
Azerbaijan has $2,5 trillion of gas-oil reserves
Kazakhstan has over $2 trillion of gas-oil reserves

Don't you know that Azerbaijan's oil is almost depleted and there's high corruption in the country?

Haven't you read anything about the history of lunatic dictators in Turkmenistan?

Don't you know that Kazakhstan is more or less a satellite State of Russia?

Thanks to $60 trillion of gas-oil reserves
and even only Turkmenistan has enough gas to somewhat offset the loss of Russian gas to the European Union

Where did you come up with that number?

 

[BON PLAN]

Umm...these "useless third world countries" have a better standard of living for their people than Azerbaijan,Kazakhstan,Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan. And in many cases,even compared to the average Turkish citizen.

Indeed.
Tha last U turn of Erdogan about Sweden in NATO is very surprising : He want Turkey to ga in UE so as to take billions €... I think we say OK, but we will never see Turkey un UE. We already have enough muslims on our soils, with dangerous effects (see last riots and etnic troubles in France)

 

[Foinikas]

Indeed.
Tha last U turn of Erdogan about Sweden in NATO is very surprising : He want Turkey to ga in UE so as to take billions €... I think we say OK, but we will never see Turkey un UE. We already have enough muslims on our soils, with dangerous effects (see last riots and etnic troubles in France)

Like Solts said,it's irrelevant things. NATO and EU are not the same club,one is a purely military alliance with many members not being part of the EU and the other is mostly an economic union where not everyone is part of NATO.

 

[BHAN85]

If you order NATO members by GDP per capita, Turkiye is the lowest. That means: Every NATO decision will require give money or things to the poorest NATO member to achieve its permission.

 

[MMM-E]

If you order NATO members by GDP per capita, Turkiye is the lowest. That means: Every NATO decision will require give money or things to the poorest NATO member to achieve its permission.

Turkiye has the 5th biggest GDP PPP in NATO

1-- USA $26,8 trillion
2-- Germany $5,5 trillion
3-- France $3,87 trillion
4-- The UK $3.84 trillion
5-- Turkiye $3,57 trillion


know your place poor beggars ... first go and pay your huge debt

Spain has $2,2 trillion of external debt .. ( 170% of GDP )
Belgium has $1,2 trillion of external debt ... ( 269% of GDP )
Sweden has $956 billion of external debt ... ( 159% of GDP )
Greece has $350 billion of external debt ... ( 175% of GDP )

Turkiye has the lowest external debt to compare with GDP
$444 billion ..( 55% of GDP )


NATO is a military alliance
and Turkiye can kick all of you combined in a war
( Greece,Bulgaria,Romania,Spain,Portugal,etc )

useless weak countries which can not develop even an UCAV